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legendary
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Bitcoin is done for. The experiment has failed.

That is a big exaggeration.

The ultimate goal of bitcoin was the development of an e-payment system that did not depend on a trusted authority (including a centralized server).  It was not to develop a great investment opportunity, a long-term store of value, a way to hide money from the IRS or your spouse, a way buy illegal drugs or child porn, or a way to drive banks and governments to bankruptcy.  It was not even meant to replace credit cards, cash, gold, or old paper checks.  

Indeed, bitcoin was not even meant to be an e-payment system itself; it was only a technical experiment, meant to prove that a certain protocol could solve ONE particular obstacle in the development of such a system, namely how to motivate volunteers to maintain the blockchain rather than sabotage it.  For that experiment to be carried out, all that was needed was an open community or volunteers willing to maintain the network and trade BTC among themselves, plus a few friendly pizza parlors and merchants to make the test more realistic.  That, AFAIK, was the bicoin community in 2009; and the experiment would have worked if it had been remained that until now.

Ignore him, he is just trolling.

Bitcoin as an experiment is a huge success. The question was whether something like this backed by nothing can have actual value, and the answer is a resounding yes.
sr. member
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Can anyone give me a likely scenario that would send the price up, or at least stabilize it so that XBT could work as a currency?

Remittance doesn´t make sense because you are likely to loose less by using Western Union or bank transfer.

Paypal using XBT sent the price down!?!
Argentina and Ukraine using XBT sent the price down!?!
Just about every piece of good news in 2014 has sent the price down. What can change that?

more sources who instantly dump coins create downward pressure. no surprise

nobody is holding coins, they get them and sell for precious fiat
hero member
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Bitcoin is done for. The experiment has failed.

That is a big exaggeration.

The ultimate goal of bitcoin was the development of an e-payment system that did not depend on a trusted authority (including a centralized server).  It was not to develop a great investment opportunity, a long-term store of value, a way to hide money from the IRS or your spouse, a way buy illegal drugs or child porn, or a way to drive banks and governments to bankruptcy.  It was not even meant to replace credit cards, cash, gold, or old paper checks. 

Indeed, bitcoin was not even meant to be an e-payment system itself; it was only a technical experiment, meant to prove that a certain protocol could solve ONE particular obstacle in the development of such a system, namely how to motivate volunteers to maintain the blockchain rather than sabotage it.  For that experiment to be carried out, all that was needed was an open community or volunteers willing to maintain the network and trade BTC among themselves, plus a few friendly pizza parlors and merchants to make the test more realistic.  That, AFAIK, was the bicoin community in 2009; and the experiment would have worked if it had been remained that until now.
sr. member
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...If you have bitcoin, what are you waiting for? When are you going to sell? 290? 250? 150? 25? 10?? 5???

.50?? ...

A few here romanticize hodling.  To them, Bitcoin is a very personal, almost sexual thing.  Freud attributed such behavior to failure to progress past the anal gratification stage (anal retentive).  He was wrong, of course--these people are simply as crazy as the proverbial bed bug.

Which is cool--they are an endless source of free lel.
Enjoy!
newbie
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I can't wait to watch the despair once we go under 300 again. Silly bulls should have cut their losses a long time ago. If you have bitcoin, what are you waiting for? When are you going to sell? 290? 250? 150? 25? 10?? 5???

.50??

The longer you wait the more money you will lose. Some people understood this a long time ago.

Bitcoin is done for. The experiment has failed. You should have listened to all those people who warned against buying bitcoin. Professor bitcorn was right all along.

Sub 300 here we come!
full member
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
There is a time to buy, a time to sell, a time to scalp and a time to stay the fuck out of the market. See you monday, gents.
legendary
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newbie
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legendary
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Adam, time to change the poll (Halloween is over anyway). I voted 360$ and it turns out I wasn't bearish enough.
sr. member
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hero member
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You probably do not want to know that I guessed "330$ by Halloween" on Adam's  poll, right after it was posted.  Grin

(OK, OK, "even a broken clock"...)
full member
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
a buttplug? Scary..



LOL, at first i thought it was a very good photoshop, but no. Holy shit, nope, it's real!
sr. member
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Venture capital doesn't benefit directly from increasing prises, but they also don't go investing in something they see dissapearing into oblivion in a years time.

Yes, those venture capitalists surely expected to make profit from their investment.  They may have made a bad decision, betting that the price would recover and attract more customers to their businesses.  However, even if the price keeps falling at the present rate, they can still have a profit.

SMBIT, for example, charges fees whether people stay or leave.  They buy BTC with money from customers (those who buy SMBIT shares), not from investors (those VCs who have equity in the company that manages SMBIT).  If the BTC price keeps dropping, the SMBIT shares will drop too, but only customers will lose their money; the managers and their VC partners will still collect fees.  By my estimates, they have already collected a few million dollars in fees, with very little expense.  Even if the price drops to zero over a couple of years, they may still make more than they invested.

Plus, the managers sold an initial "endowment" of 18'000 old coins to their customers in September for 120$ each, and that adds to their profit too.  Indeed, starting a bitcoin fund (or buying equity in a fund management company, paying in BTC; like Fortress did earlier this year with Pantera) is a good way to sell a large amount of old cheap coins at the current market price, with little slippage; while keeping those old coins out of the open market for six months at least, together with any additional coins that the fund then buys from the open market.

Don't you get tired of all that yapping?
legendary
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After gravity collapses, what do you expect people to be using to stay on the ground?

Are you thinking what i'm thinking?

tip: plug, tail

a buttplug? Scary..

hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1003
Venture capital doesn't benefit directly from increasing prises, but they also don't go investing in something they see dissapearing into oblivion in a years time.

Yes, those venture capitalists surely expected to make profit from their investment.  They may have made a bad decision, betting that the price would recover and attract more customers to their businesses.  However, even if the price keeps falling at the present rate, they can still have a profit.

SMBIT, for example, charges fees whether people stay or leave.  They buy BTC with money from customers (those who buy SMBIT shares), not from investors (those VCs who have equity in the company that manages SMBIT).  If the BTC price keeps dropping, the SMBIT shares will drop too, but only customers will lose their money; the managers and their VC partners will still collect fees.  By my estimates, they have already collected a few million dollars in fees, with very little expense.  Even if the price drops to zero over a couple of years, they may still make more than they invested.

Plus, the managers sold an initial "endowment" of 18'000 old coins to their customers in September for 120$ each, and that adds to their profit too.  Indeed, starting a bitcoin fund (or buying equity in a fund management company, paying in BTC; like Fortress did earlier this year with Pantera) is a good way to sell a large amount of old cheap coins at the current market price, with little slippage; while keeping those old coins out of the open market for six months at least, together with any additional coins that the fund then buys from the open market.
full member
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
After gravity collapses, what do you expect people to be using to stay on the ground?

Are you thinking what i'm thinking?

tip: plug, tail
full member
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Merit: 100
So how will we do on Monday? Any thoughts?

Anyone buying now or do everyone wait for even lower prices?

BTW, its kind of annoying with pics in the thread. And I don't think I only speak for myself when I say this.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
Academic interest in bitcoin only. Not owner, not trader, very skeptical of its longterm success.

Your signature above.  After fiat collapses, what do you expect people to be using? ...

After gravity collapses, what do you expect people to be using to stay on the ground?
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1000
Academic interest in bitcoin only. Not owner, not trader, very skeptical of its longterm success.

Your signature above.  After fiat collapses, what do you expect people to be using?  Gold?  Barter with seashells?  Obviously gold will be around, and all Bitcoin has to do is survive until that moment of fiat implosion happens to catch much of the same incoming cash flow gold receives.
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