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hero member
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Am... at what price mining won't be profitable anymore?   Roll Eyes
for massive industrial sized farms ?  390
Around 350 would be right.  But I think, for the chinese it is around less than 300.

I understand that, whatever the price, the difficulty will adjust so that mining always remains worthwhile for SOME miners.  "Worthwhile" may not not mean "profitable", though; and some miners would have to  switch off. Isn't that so?
legendary
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things you own end up owning you
Don't give me a fish but teach me how to fish

The saying was "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".  Note the subtle diference -- no "don't" there...



True, I said it my way...but we both agree about the essence.
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Don't give up, earthlings.  Exercise and stay tasty.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
legendary
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Am... at what price mining won't be profitable anymore?   Roll Eyes

for massive industrial sized farms ?

390

Around 350 would be right.  But I think, for the chinese it is around less than 300.


considering the electricity cost  for 1 bitcoin is 131 USD, Huh 

if the miner already ROI, they can dump to 200 and still profit
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
No it's just the reserved ones, we technically don't know how much of those are used in positions.
Maybe you are right...
legendary
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Do you guys think the next few hours are critical?
hero member
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Don't give me a fish but teach me how to fish

The saying was "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".  Note the subtle diference -- no "don't" there...

legendary
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Btw, the BTC interest rate bumped up slightly late saturday UTC, then jumped to the current levels between 03:30-09:30 UTC, sunday.

You know what that means.

The swaps are being used to foil jonoiv's prediction of 377 USD/BTC by monday.
hero member
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Proof-of-Stake Blockchain Network
the next few hours are potentially the most critical hours of all time.

just say'n
This.
The next few hours are actually very critical.
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One thing is for sure, nobody actually shorted those 3k BTC just now that made the quantity of BTC swaps go from 17k to 20k and then back to 17k.

I have been wondering about this as well. I wonder if this only account for shorts OR also includes swaps reserved for shorting. If the latter, they might be accumulating swaps (ammo) to do a big market sell-off in one or a few furious blows.

That's what I wonder. I really don't know. Does anybody else. If I knew I would have entered a position one way or another by now.

They say 'sum of active swaps'. I think this include only swaps actually used in a position, and not the reserved ones.
No it's just the reserved ones, we technically don't know how much of those are used in positions.

Oh Jesus. Really. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus... Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and all of the Saints... and Jesus.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
the next few hours are potentially the most critical hours of all time.

just say'n
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Am... at what price mining won't be profitable anymore?   Roll Eyes

for massive industrial sized farms ?

390

Around 350 would be right.  But I think, for the chinese it is around less than 300.
hero member
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One thing is for sure, nobody actually shorted those 3k BTC just now that made the quantity of BTC swaps go from 17k to 20k and then back to 17k.

I have been wondering about this as well. I wonder if this only account for shorts OR also includes swaps reserved for shorting. If the latter, they might be accumulating swaps (ammo) to do a big market sell-off in one or a few furious blows.

That's what I wonder. I really don't know. Does anybody else. If I knew I would have entered a position one way or another by now.

They say 'sum of active swaps'. I think this include only swaps actually used in a position, and not the reserved ones.
No it's just the reserved ones, we technically don't know how much of those are used in positions.
legendary
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Waiting for the market to regain some bullishness...




And, who said that it is impossible to herd cats? 

Thanks for this:  I just witnessed "on the internet" that it is possible to herd cats.

I have another one, with more herded kittens. Cheesy

legendary
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They say 'sum of active swaps'. I think this include only swaps actually used in a position, and not the reserved ones.

I wouldn't be so sure. "Active" to me seems like the counterpart to a swap offer not yet taken.
legendary
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I dont understand, I can see longs with the buys appearing but I don't see any huge sells with the kind of these shorts (+20K BTC), I just don't get it.

On Bitfinex, you can either shortsell and let the system to automatically take care about choosing the swap offer(s) with the lowest interest rate(s) available at the time (and optionally below a manually set interest rate limit) in the background or you can borrow BTC manually for later use (or return if you change your mind and decide not to sell the borrowed coins), effectively securing certain amount of coins for short selling on demand (you won't unexpectedly run out of coins to sell in the middle of the action).

A huge amount of unspent swap at high interest rate is dubious.
I guess either somebody tries to trick the legit short sellers to close their positions (due to the increased interest rates and the confusion about the overall long/short landscape), effectively causing or supporting a mini-pump, or somebody is getting ready to push the price down and/or mitigate a suspected mini-pump attempt.
Or it's all just piggy-backing. Somebody started to short and everybody followed until it went too far. May be somebody tried to encourage piggy-backing by borrowing but not spending the swap, just to force-close the resulting shorts later (jump back to no.1).

I am not sure but I am starting to get a little uncomfortable about my opened short position. But I am not panicking, yet. Grin

Thank you sir.
hero member
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I dont understand, I can see longs with the buys appearing but I don't see any huge sells with the kind of these shorts (+20K BTC), I just don't get it.

On Bitfinex, you can either shortsell and let the system to automatically take care about choosing the swap offer(s) with the lowest interest rate(s) available at the time (and optionally below a manually set interest rate limit) in the background or you can borrow BTC manually for later use (or return if you change your mind and decide not to sell the borrowed coins), effectively securing certain amount of coins for short selling on demand (you won't unexpectedly run out of coins to sell in the middle of the action).

A huge amount of unspent swap at high interest rate is dubious.
I guess either somebody tries to trick the legit short sellers to close their positions (due to the increased interest rates and the confusion about the overall long/short landscape), effectively causing or supporting a mini-pump, or somebody is getting ready to push the price down and/or mitigate a suspected mini-pump attempt.
Or it's all just piggy-backing. Somebody started to short and everybody followed until it went too far. May be somebody tried to encourage piggy-backing by borrowing but not spending the swap, just to force-close the resulting shorts later (jump back to no.1).

I am not sure but I am starting to get a little uncomfortable about my opened short position. But I am not panicking, yet. Grin
legendary
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
One thing is for sure, nobody actually shorted those 3k BTC just now that made the quantity of BTC swaps go from 17k to 20k and then back to 17k.

I have been wondering about this as well. I wonder if this only account for shorts OR also includes swaps reserved for shorting. If the latter, they might be accumulating swaps (ammo) to do a big market sell-off in one or a few furious blows.

That's what I wonder. I really don't know. Does anybody else. If I knew I would have entered a position one way or another by now.

They say 'sum of active swaps'. I think this include only swaps actually used in a position, and not the reserved ones.
full member
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
One thing is for sure, nobody actually shorted those 3k BTC just now that made the quantity of BTC swaps go from 17k to 20k and then back to 17k.

The swap stats are delayed... they are updated every hour as far as i know. That being said, in the last 4 hours there has not be enough volume to justify this (only ~1400BTC exchanged).
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