Well if JJG is correct and there really is no 4 year cycle we could be like gold was during Clinton's presidential terms. Plus first term of Bush
I'm wondering when JJG proclaimed any kind of belief that there is no 4-year cycle. From my point of view, it is almost as if I have frequently said the opposite since I still put quite a bit of weight into the three models of 1) stock to flow, 2) four-year fractal and 3) exponential s-curve adoption based on network effects and Metcalfe principles. 1 and 2 are kind of redundant and have a lot of the 4 year cycle contained there-in.. yes based on supply limitations issues, and even thought the stock to flow model may well need to be shifted down on it's curve, I cannot see how it has yet been broken in terms of the overall themes contained therein. What other models are there that you would be suggesting that I am adopting? Are you getting me mixed up with someone else?
Regarding your desire to compare bitcoin to gold seems quite premature, too - at least in terms of how early bitcoin is in its adoption, and I have frequently asserted bitcoin is like 1,000x better than gold - even though it could take 20 to 50 to 150 years or more to actually have bitcoin's 1,000x superiority to gold reflected in it's price.
So short term we can end up having all kinds of BTC price movements that might cause some folks to reassess bitcoin's value proposition - but it seems quite difficult to dismiss the strength of ongoing underlying bitcoin fundamentals that do not seem to have been undermined.. at least not so far, from various ongoing efforts at attacking and/or manipulating aspects of bitcoin.
1992 to 2004 we stayed in a 200 to 400 slot mostly very close to 300
Gold finally took off in 2005.
so a long flatness for BTC may be in the cards.
https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdfHISTORICAL GOLD PRICES - 1833 to Present
The price of gold remained remarkably stable for long periods of time. For example, Sir Isaac Newton, as master of the U.K. Mint, set the gold price at L3.17s. 10d. per troy ounce in 1717, and it remained effectively the same for two hundred years until 1914. The only exception was during the Napoleonic wars from 1797 to 1821. The official U.S. Government gold price has changed only four times from 1792 to the present. Starting at $19.75 per troy ounce, raised to $20.67 in 1834, and $35 in 1934. In 1972, the price was raised to $38 and then to $42.22 in 1973. A two-tiered pricing system was created in 1968, and the market price for gold has been free to fluctuate since then as the table below shows.
Year
Average Price
snip
1992
343.82
1993
359.77
1994
384.00
1995**
383.79
1996
387.81
1997
331.02
1998
294.24
1999
278.98
2000
279.11
2001
271.04
2002
309.73
2003
363.38
2004
409.72
Average Year Price
2005
444.74
2006
603.46
2007
695.39
2008
871.96
2009
972.35
2010
1,224.53
2011
1,571.52
2012
1,668.98
2013
1,411.23
2014
1,266.40
2015
1,160.60
2016
1,250.74*Prices from 1883-1994, World Gold Council. Taken from Timothy Green's Historical Gold Price Table , London prices converted to U.S. Dollars.
**Prices from 1995-present, Kitco.com, based on the London PM fix.
Note I grabbed and altered from the link I posted above.
Now the world is faster than in 1992-2004. so while a 12 year flat space may be too long for flat btc. why not a 3 or 4 year flatness in the 14-22 range?
I doubt that it is very fruitful to be getting caught up in seemingly lame analogies that try to pigeon-hole bitcoin into some kind of a class of asset that is similar to something that you know - even if there are likely going to be a variety of tactics that may well even try to "tame" bitcoin in similar ways that gold had been tamed.
It seems to be a pretty BIG waste of time going down that kind of gold/bitcoin comparison road - when bitcoin remains a different animal in a variety of ways, even if bitcoin shares some similarities to gold.. but in the end, bitcoin beats gold on almost every single metric that matters including verifiability, portability, divisibility - which just with those three we should be able to appreciate the power of bitcoin in terms of some of the difficulties that the powers that be are going to have to control bitcoin in ways that they had been able to control gold - just think of all the poor peeps of the world who are able to easily possess bitcoin.. and even rich folks might decide to hold way more wealth in bitcoin than they were willing to risk holding in gold.. and all of them are able to verify that they really have bitcoin and to divide it and move it in a variety of ways, and sure they (we) may well need to learn a lot of these tactics of managing our own wealth - and skepticism of institutions, but some poor folks may well already have a lot of skepticism of institutions, which maybe they are going to be confused in regards to the various ways to hold and verify their bitcoin too? so there may well be some short-term periods in which some folks may well falsely conclude that the various ways of suppressing bitcoin's price is working, just like it did with gold... but I have my doubts that the powers that be are going to be as successful to suppress bitcoin as you are seeming to suggest them capable of accomplishing.. even when there are a lot of financial/manipulation instruments at their disposal.
OT: Torque's New Years Resolution
To watch all the programs on Netflix that interest me over the next few months (mostly documentaries), and then cancel my subscription.
Reason: I am so done with their bullshit agenda-pushing, bait-and-switch garbage shows. Just not worth it anymore.
First: fill up your brain with their bullshit, and then cut them off and proclaim that "it's all garbage."
Wonder how that is going to work out?
hahahahahaha