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legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I've noticed a 0.9BTC willy bot at bitstamp. It's there for some days/weeks
It both buys and sells depending on the market

I think that you saw the 'red' in bitcoinwisdom trade history? There is a 'glitch': sometimes market buy orders are red, sometimes market sell orders are green in that list.
Maybe I am not sure - and I had the impression that sometimes what I see is weird at wisdom, so this might explain it.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I have some sliver coins got stolen. Please teach me how I could recover them.
You go to the police and hope that they can catch the thief and get your coins back.
So just do the same in case your bitcoin is stolen.
Do you know of any case?


If they could catch DPR and seize his bitcoin I can't see why it is fundamentally impossible to catch a bitocin thief.
The case is that they have revalved the true location of servers quite easily (FBI) even without needing NSA or however they are called, i did read it today.
And fake IDs addressed to DPR got catched by customs.
CAPTCHA -> GOTCHA
How do you know it was captcha for sure?
I am not sure, this is what I read:
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/09/dread-pirate-sunk-by-leaky-captcha/
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I've noticed a 0.9BTC willy bot at bitstamp. It's there for some days/weeks
It both buys and sells depending on the market

I think that you saw the 'red' in bitcoinwisdom trade history? There is a 'glitch': sometimes market buy orders are red, sometimes market sell orders are green in that list.
No, he is probably speaking about the repeated buys and sells of 0.9 BTC
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
This is the third major wall on bit stamp alone in ~10 days, totaling about 7000btc.

Include bitfenix and its more than double that.

Yet we still have people saying moon.

Walls can be created and removed at any time. I see that happening real time when we broke the 480.

BTW: how low will be the weekend dump this time?
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
playing pasta and eating mandolinos
I've noticed a 0.9BTC willy bot at bitstamp. It's there for some days/weeks
It both buys and sells depending on the market

I think that you saw the 'red' in bitcoinwisdom trade history? There is a 'glitch': sometimes market buy orders are red, sometimes market sell orders are green in that list.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I have some sliver coins got stolen. Please teach me how I could recover them.
You go to the police and hope that they can catch the thief and get your coins back.
So just do the same in case your bitcoin is stolen.
Do you know of any case?


If they could catch DPR and seize his bitcoin I can't see why it is fundamentally impossible to catch a bitocin thief.
The case is that they have revalved the true location of servers quite easily (FBI) even without needing NSA or however they are called, i did read it today.
And fake IDs addressed to DPR got catched by customs.
CAPTCHA -> GOTCHA
How do you know it was captcha for sure?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
I have some sliver coins got stolen. Please teach me how I could recover them.
You go to the police and hope that they can catch the thief and get your coins back.
So just do the same in case your bitcoin is stolen.
Do you know of any case?


If they could catch DPR and seize his bitcoin I can't see why it is fundamentally impossible to catch a bitocin thief.
The case is that they have revalved the true location of servers quite easily (FBI) even without needing NSA or however they are called, i did read it today.
And fake IDs addressed to DPR got catched by customs.
CAPTCHA -> GOTCHA
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
This is the third major wall on bit stamp alone in ~10 days, totaling about 7000btc.

Include bitfenix and its more than double that.

Yet we still have people saying moon.
On the other hand someone very patiently eats them...
I've noticed a 0.9BTC willy bot at bitstamp. It's there for some days/weeks
It both buys and sells depending on the market
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
I have some sliver coins got stolen. Please teach me how I could recover them.
You go to the police and hope that they can catch the thief and get your coins back.
So just do the same in case your bitcoin is stolen.
Do you know of any case?


If they could catch DPR and seize his bitcoin I can't see why it is fundamentally impossible to catch a bitocin thief.




The case is that they have revalved the true location of servers quite easily (FBI) even without needing NSA or however they are called, i did read it today.
And fake IDs addressed to DPR got catched by customs.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1008
Delusional crypto obsessionist
This is the third major wall on bit stamp alone in ~10 days, totaling about 7000btc.

Include bitfenix and its more than double that.

Yet we still have people saying moon.
On the other hand someone very patiently eats them...
I've noticed a 0.9BTC willy bot at bitstamp. It's there for some days/weeks
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
This is the third major wall on bit stamp alone in ~10 days, totaling about 7000btc.

Include bitfenix and its more than double that.

Yet we still have people saying moon.
On the other hand someone very patiently eats them...
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1111
Indeed, there seems to be a fundamental dilemma there.  Satoshi solved the problem of secure trustless e-payments, but there is still no solution for the problem of recovering stolen coins without spoiling that primary goal.

This is unsolvable. Please ponder about the definition of 'stolen' in a system where property is defined by 'knowledge of a key'.
There is no way to mathematically demonstrate that a transaction, for example, was fraudulent. Or that if two people know the same key then one is a rightful owner (whatever that means) and the other is not.

Precisely!

One fundamental flaw of  cryptocoins (that supportes consider a feature) is that they are intended to eliminate the notion of "property" for money, and leave only "possession" instead.

You have "possession" of something if you physically can use it or dispose of it as you like.

The thing is your "property" if, and only if, the  government thinks you should have possession of it, and you can get his cops and courts to get it.

If a thief steals your car, it becomes his possession; but it is still your property, because the government thinks so, and is expected to take the car from him and give it back to you, by force if needed, once he is found.  If your tenant stops paying the rent and refuses to leave, the house is still your property because the government thinks so, and will help you get the guy out.    If a hacker empties you bank account, he may get possession of the money, but that money is still your property -- only because the government thinks so.  If you fail to pay taxes by the due date, you retain possession of that money, but it will be property of the government -- just because they think it is.

There is no way to define propeprty without reference to some government.  If there is no government, there is no property, only possession; and when something gets stolen from you, it becomes the thief's possession, and that is it.  YOU (and your friends) may think that it is still your property, but the thief (and his friends) will disagree; what then?  

By design, cryptocoins (as the libertarians see them) are meant to be impossible for any government (or any other entity) to take away from their possessors.  But then, by design, no government (or any other authority) can enforce any property rights on cryptocoins.  (Indeed, early adopters had hoped that the government would be unable even to discover who has possession of the coins; and now that bitcoin has been found to be inadequate in this aspect, they  are turning to more sophisticated "truly anonymous" altcoins.)  

Therefore, there is no concept of "property" in the realm of cryptocoins.  Only "possession".

The notion of "property" as distinct from "possession" is very old; it may have been invented when humans adopted agriculture and settled down, abandoning the "share the catch" economy of nomadic hunter-gatherers.  It has become such a basic feature of society that people seem to forget what makes it work.  

Do we really want to eliminate the concept of "property" with regards to money?
  
(PS. And then there is the misleading use of "possession" instead of "knowledge" when talking about keys; but that is another issue.)

All your examples: cars, houses, bank account, tax are non-anonymous. Try again with cash, gold bullion.

Satoshi made it very clear in the title of the white paper: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System. Bitcoin is e-cash, not a e-car or e-house.
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
This is the third major wall on bit stamp alone in ~10 days, totaling about 7000btc.

Include bitfenix and its more than double that.

Yet we still have people saying moon.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1040
Almost 5k to 500 what the
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1003
Not difficult to track, to take the coins out of the wallet is tough without the keys.
legendary
Activity: 2380
Merit: 1823
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legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1111
I have some sliver coins got stolen. Please teach me how I could recover them.
You go to the police and hope that they can catch the thief and get your coins back.
So just do the same in case your bitcoin is stolen.
Do you know of any case?


If they could catch DPR and seize his bitcoin I can't see why it is fundamentally impossible to catch a bitocin thief.



sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
And big sell walls @bitstamp out of fucking nowhere.

Come on, go buy some slippage-free coin.
Compensated by 537 buy wall, so nothing bad at all Smiley
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
playing pasta and eating mandolinos
And big sell walls @bitstamp out of fucking nowhere.

Come on, go buy some slippage-free coin.

Lol, there is nothing we called free coin, everything has value.
If Bitcoin was free or will be free then there will be no value and
who get free will sell at what rate they will get.

hero member
Activity: 624
Merit: 500
507 btc bought at once  Shocked

Yep, quite a buy on Stamp. Don't see any follow-up here, and no one following on the other exchanges, though. Probably that guy will afford us some more time sideways. Smiley
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