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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 26112. (Read 26709744 times)

legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
Weekend forecast?

monkey just flip-flopped again, to bullish.  you'll notice i don't bother reporting his daily views here much lately.  he's been pretty uselessly ambivalent on the daily since 500.  he's still bearish on the weekly chart, out to october.

legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
I'd be interested. Verifying your vote will require either something you know or something you have, I would think. Either of which could be used by a malicious third party.

Look up zero knowledge proofs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

You'll have to go into it a little more given that the statement in question would look like "I, Richy_T voted for Satoshi Nakamoto(B)". That's the information that would need to be verified and the information that the third party would want.

Yes, I haven't looked into how to apply it exactly to this situation but when I read Oda.Krell's post and your reaction I thought it would be a high chance he meant something to do with zero knowledge proofs.
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
I'd be interested. Verifying your vote will require either something you know or something you have, I would think. Either of which could be used by a malicious third party.

Look up zero knowledge proofs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

You'll have to go into it a little more given that the statement in question would look like "I, Richy_T voted for Satoshi Nakamoto(B)". That's the information that would need to be verified and the information that the third party would want.

Unless you're talking about knowing that the vote is correct without needing the individual voters to be able to verify their votes. Which is a different issue.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
Talk about a maturing market. Grin
Talk about a bunch of suckers selling the future for a mess of pottage.

At this point, all the things I most desire can only be bought with bitcoin.

Well, except for a Chateau Laubade 1974.

legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1001
things you own end up owning you
the fail of Gox makes me wonder if the last 3 bubbles were all driven by Gox, now that Gox has failed we didn't see any bubble, isn't possible that Mark artificially pumped the price ?

Edit: this means that he was out of money for a long time, so he decided to add Litecoin as a new source of money... everything is possible
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1045
dat walls

(edit: dose walls?)
legendary
Activity: 2324
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Eh, pretty sure that's not correct. I remember reading about a proposal for a vote verification mechanism that doesn't require compromising anonymity. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Unless of course you work from the premise that the voting machine is compromised / the voter is watched. But in that case, all bets are off anyway, no?

I'd be interested. Verifying your vote will require either something you know or something you have, I would think. Either of which could be used by a malicious third party.

Look up zero knowledge proofs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

Eh, pretty sure that's not correct. I remember reading about a proposal for a vote verification mechanism that doesn't require compromising anonymity. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Unless of course you work from the premise that the voting machine is compromised / the voter is watched. But in that case, all bets are off anyway, no?

I'd be interested. Verifying your vote will require either something you know or something you have, I would think. Either of which could be used by a malicious third party.
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
Who was it, who posted this really cool log()Log() trendline in december or january? I want to see how far we are below the trendline now. Next bubble should be gigantic

Ah the superexponential chart. I think that chart indicated we should be at 20-40k right now. One can only dream Wink
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1002
Strange, yet attractive.
i'm gana go full fiat and when its clear which why its going hop back in

hahahahah joking.....
Adam's account hacked!!!  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1904
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Trusted Bitcoiner
i'm gana go full fiat and when its clear which why its going hop back in

hahahahah joking.....
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
Anyone understand the purpose of these flickering walls? 880 bid, then gone. 100 ask at 509, then gone. 654 reappears at 510.
What is the reasoning for doing this?  Entertainment?
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

It's still not clear to me that block chain based systems are so obviously unworkable that they are not worth even considering, but I am surely no expert in this field.


I'm not against them. But I'm not really sure what problem it solves. Or rather, I suspect in solving the problem it can, it merely causes a problem elsewhere.

An essential element of the physical voting process is the mixing in the ballot box. You could perhaps tumble the votes but I'm not sure how that would end up working and doesn't seem to make much sense in the context.
legendary
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I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough' Smiley  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.


One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.



Eh, pretty sure that's not correct. I remember reading about a proposal for a vote verification mechanism that doesn't require compromising anonymity. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Unless of course you work from the premise that the voting machine is compromised / the voter is watched. But in that case, all bets are off anyway, no?
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1002
Strange, yet attractive.

Talk about a maturing market. Grin

I'd say! I don't think I've ever seen this combination of strong stability and liquidity in Bitcoin

I have a feeling the stability might not last though   Grin

Now, THAT would have been awesome! Wink
legendary
Activity: 1066
Merit: 1098

I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough' Smiley  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.


One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.

Yeah, I agree with you completely.  It's a tough problem.

It's still not clear to me that block chain based systems are so obviously unworkable that they are not worth even considering, but I am surely no expert in this field.

legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1000

Talk about a maturing market. Grin

I'd say! I don't think I've ever seen this combination of strong stability and liquidity in Bitcoin

I have a feeling the stability might not last though   Grin
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