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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 26113. (Read 26709752 times)

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i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!



i thought after 5K coins traded at this level the walls would get busted one way or another, but no... we've traded over 10K now and still no movement...

price movement?

NEVER AGAIN

Talk about a maturing market. Grin
legendary
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i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!



i thought after 5K coins traded at this level the walls would get busted one way or another, but no... we've traded over 10K now and still no movement...

price movement?

NEVER AGAIN
legendary
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i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!

legendary
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I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough' Smiley  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.


One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.

legendary
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i'm calling it now

price will never move again.
legendary
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Just a fair warning to the wall observers:

Monero XMR is set to breakout real soon and takeover DRK as the king of anon coins  Grin




dump it.
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I think, Mr. JayJuanGee, that you are not a very careful reader.  I am not a perfect poster, but I am not guilty of the heinous crimes you accuse me of.  You should reread this discussion more attentively.


There you go again... giving assignments...    Tongue

At this point, I am of the sense that I have adequately read and/or researched in order to substantiate any points that I made in this post and in prior posts.

Thank you for replying with meaningful support for your position, instead of just snarky sarcasm  Roll Eyes

legendary
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Just a fair warning to the wall observers:

Monero XMR is set to breakout real soon and takeover DRK as the king of anon coins  Grin






legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

I think, Mr. JayJuanGee, that you are not a very careful reader.  I am not a perfect poster, but I am not guilty of the heinous crimes you accuse me of.  You should reread this discussion more attentively.


There you go again... giving assignments...    Tongue

At this point, I am of the sense that I have adequately read and/or researched in order to substantiate any points that I made in this post and in prior posts.
legendary
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legendary
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I saw your posts in connection with the elections topic, and you asked a good question to Jorge.  He answered the question from his perspective, and then you said that you do NOT like his answer b/c you think that he is NOT trying hard enough.   then you argue about why he should try harder. 

I don't necessarily agree with Jorge on a lot of topics, but I think that he made several valid points concerning voting mechanism obstacles.

In that regard, I think that there are ways to attack his various points without crying about it... for example, you could suggest that there may be some applications and implementations of the voting technology on a smaller or a different scale or means employed through the technology to inspire greater public confidence in the potential of bitcoin network as a voting mechanism.  Instead you complain that he is NOT trying hard enough, and complain that you do NOT like his answer(s).

You argued in a similar manner with me to suggest that I am NOT arguing on your terms.. etc..etc. etc..  Or suggest that I should research and do more work in order to make my points.. points that I have already made with examples that I have already deemed sufficient to make my points.

I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough' Smiley  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.

I don't deny that Jorge shared some knowledge about e-voting issues that were interesting and informative, but nothing he said would justify just dismissing this technology out-of-hand.

Nevertheless, as I have stated, my only intent here was to bring something to Mr. Stolfi's attention that I genuinely thought he might have interest in.  Damn me for expressing my disappointment when he dismissed it summarily without even considering it.

I think, Mr. JayJuanGee, that you are not a very careful reader.  I am not a perfect poster, but I am not guilty of the heinous crimes you accuse me of.  You should reread this discussion more attentively.

The worst thing I am guilty of is accusing Jorge of being an old dog who won't even try a new trick - and I stand by that characterization Wink

legendary
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Hodling since 2011.®
Holy phuck walls are getting bigger... Roger Waters would be proud...
legendary
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Ask wall going down soon?
hero member
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It's thursday so something big is going to happen. No idea which direction though
hero member
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Looks like we'll have some action. Don't start a rally while i'm in Serbija please.
legendary
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Strange, yet attractive.
Well, finally we can celebrate some respectable volume! Hmm... end of August. September rally incoming? Wink
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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Well, the whole point of blockchain-based technology is precisely that it takes trust out of the equation completely...

He brought up several interesting points which you might have missed.  I'll try to put them in different wrappers, hopefully not losing the meaning in the process.
 
 


Even though frequently Jorge says a variety of goofy things, he makes a lot of good points regarding the barriers in terms of transitioning into the use of electronic voting through the block chain - however, that does NOT mean that various smaller scale operations of block chain voting could not be implemented. 

xyzzy099, on the other hand, seems to have a preference to just stick to his points NO matter what.  He does not want facts or logic to get in the way of his viewpoint.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

If you'd like to post some support for that contention, I will be glad to address it.

My only point in this exchange was that this was a technology worth looking into.  I have not seen any evidence that would refute that simple claim.  Have you?



I saw your posts in connection with the elections topic, and you asked a good question to Jorge.  He answered the question from his perspective, and then you said that you do NOT like his answer b/c you think that he is NOT trying hard enough.   then you argue about why he should try harder. 

I don't necessarily agree with Jorge on a lot of topics, but I think that he made several valid points concerning voting mechanism obstacles.

In that regard, I think that there are ways to attack his various points without crying about it... for example, you could suggest that there may be some applications and implementations of the voting technology on a smaller or a different scale or means employed through the technology to inspire greater public confidence in the potential of bitcoin network as a voting mechanism.  Instead you complain that he is NOT trying hard enough, and complain that you do NOT like his answer(s).

You argued in a similar manner with me to suggest that I am NOT arguing on your terms.. etc..etc. etc..  Or suggest that I should research and do more work in order to make my points.. points that I have already made with examples that I have already deemed sufficient to make my points.
legendary
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nonsense and name calling, its like religion and politics for the everyday folk, this thread is all kinds of fucked up.
legendary
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hehehe

nobody cares about your fake walls, bears  Cool
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