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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 26180. (Read 26711027 times)

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If either TA worked, or you guys were actually any good at it, you would be too busy flying around the world in your lear jets to post comments on this two bit forum.
You say this because you don't understand what TA does and how you are supposed to use it.



Regarding TA:

It's simple:


Some people don't know how TA works or what it's supposed to do.
The same folks try to apply what they think TA is but they lose money.
Their conclusion: TA doesn't work.


The End.
hero member
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I on the other hand do have a fool proof TA method....
....... buy bitcoin. Hold......
.....been working for the last two years....

It is not foolproof, I am afraid.  For the fools who bought in late November, that method has been rather disappointing so far.  Wink


.....not so much with precious metals though. lol

Again, it depends on when one bought and sold...
legendary
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How many dumpers are left after a nine month bear market? I don't know except that there are less than there were yesterday and far less than last month. at some point, the trend will reverse and it's possible that it already happened. I don't know and this isn't a recommendation, but the longer we go sideways, the more bullish I get.
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Rules not Rulers
I on the other hand do have a fool proof TA method....




....... buy bitcoin. Hold......

.....been working for the last two years....


.....not so much with precious metals though. lol
sr. member
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Rules not Rulers
If either TA worked, or you guys were actually any good at it, you would be too busy flying around the world in your lear jets to post comments on this two bit forum.

Reminds me of one of those seminars about TA I went to 10 years ago. Guy talked lots about how wonderful TA was, how good at it he was, how much money he was making, and we could be as good as him too, all we needed to do was sign up for a $99 a month course with him, only 12 month minimum.

Anybody who can actually make it work it not trying to sell shit, just like they aren't trying to make other people believe in it. They are sitting back and making money.
legendary
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Please short if you don't mind potentially missing the train. The next ATH is probably at least three months away and possible nine months, but it's looking like a possible inverse head and shoulders and we're bouncing off the bottom of the exponential trend line. The only thing for certain is that the unexpected happens every once in a while and going full fiat means your going to lose a guaranteed 3% a year due to inflation. Dovish comments by Janet Yellen suggest it will be worse than that. Short term things could get ugly, but that means there is a pile of cash sitting on the exchange chasing a trend. that will limit the downside and all of those people waiting for $50 coins this time last year lost 90% of their coin purchasing value, even at these prices. Position yourself so that time is your friend whether it goes up or down. I once bought at $10 and had to wait 18 months to show a profit, but Bitcoin's long term probability of success is far greater now than then.

A bear market this bad is not when long term holders dump. We buy back our coins and sell on the way up. That's why we still have our coins. look at the five year trend line and decide for yourself if this is a good time to buy. The only way to loose your coins trading is by over estimating how far the price will drop or by expecting a drop that doesn't materialize at all.

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I thought i would wake to <300$, what the hell bitcoin?

$3xx incoming!

Still kinda high, i am planning to buy back near or below 0, and short the bulltrap to 5$
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Absolutely false on its face.

All trade is by definition positive sum, and a market is merely the aggregation of all trades. This arises because the preferences of individual participants are not monolithic.

The whole anti-TA strain I can understand is very compelling from a sense of misguided skepticism and not wanting to be made a fool, but all of these knee jerk non-criticisms transparently come out of a lack of understanding of what TA even is in the first place.

Imagine this scenario:

10 men are locked in a room. They are given different quantities of 2 assets each. They start exchanging those 2 assets among them, effectively creating a 'market' and determining a 'price' of asset A measured in asset B and viceversa.
This price is recorded day by day, and a graph drawn on the wall of the room.

Now, as times goes on, 9 of these 10 men start seeing things in the graph. They seems to fool themselves into thinking that somewhat future prices are determined by previous ones. They take rules and compasses and start identifying 'trends' and 'patterns' in the graph. They think: "price has gone up for the last 3 days, it is more probable that it will go up today, instead of going down". They completely forgot the base mechanics, as you recall correctly: trades and trades alone determine price.

The 10th man, more wise, don't believe this mumbo jumbo. He understand the mechanics. He also know, now, that another mechanic has been added to the game: beliefs.

So at the start of the day he buy a bit of B, fooling the others into thinking: "see? what did i told you? trend is up". And they buy, and buy...
It is at that point that our trading hero sell.

So, while these 9 men think they are smart because they can see 2 moving averages cross, the other one fool them. A lot.

After a year the room is unlocked. Every pieces of A and B are in the pockets of our hero. The others pockets are empty.

Here endeth the lesson.

That's not a lesson, that's reinventing the wheel from scratch on the basis of no direct knowledge of the subject, to create some perverse "lifeboat ethics" thought experiment deceptively designed to vaguely produce the outcome that you want.

The real way to learn about this subject is to learn about this subject, and then produce critiques later from a position of knowledge instead of a position of sophomoric generality.

Here's a lesson for you: the way that you define what a market is at the beginning is a cargo-cult definition that does not subsume the primary conceptual features of what a market really is, but just shows the consequent trappings of how a market looks. And at the very beginning of the second paragraph you just go ahead and assume what you're trying to prove, which again, is a problem that won't go away here.
legendary
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I thought i would wake to <300$, what the hell bitcoin?

$3xx incoming!

Why are you NOT SHORT btc then? Explain yourself.
hero member
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I thought i would wake to <300$, what the hell bitcoin?

$3xx incoming!

No way, Bitcoin market maturing so much, it's not like before where price drop to 60-70% in 1-2 days.
We are now very mature community so I do not think price will going to 3xx level now.
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I thought i would wake to <300$, what the hell bitcoin?

$3xx incoming!
hero member
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Regarding TA:

It's simple:


Some people don't know how TA works or what it's supposed to do.
The same folks try to apply what they think TA is but they lose money.
Their conclusion: TA doesn't work.


The End.

regarding TA, i think many around here are asking themselves, "does TA work or not?" and the real answer is, "I am a bad trader." and that has absolutely nothing to do with TA.
Exactly.
legendary
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Regarding TA:

It's simple:


Some people don't know how TA works or what it's supposed to do.
The same folks try to apply what they think TA is but they lose money.
Their conclusion: TA doesn't work.


The End.

regarding TA, i think many around here are asking themselves, "does TA work or not?" and the real answer is, "I am a bad trader." and that has absolutely nothing to do with TA.

I agree. Sell your coins if it's making you miserable. I want the price to go down so I can buy more. If you don't have the brains or the balls to play this game, then STFU and GTFO. I'm going to BTFD.
hero member
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I thought i would wake to <300$, what the hell bitcoin?
sr. member
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Regarding TA:

It's simple:


Some people don't know how TA works or what it's supposed to do.
The same folks try to apply what they think TA is but they lose money.
Their conclusion: TA doesn't work.


The End.

regarding TA, i think many around here are asking themselves, "does TA work or not?" and the real answer is, "I am a bad trader." and that has absolutely nothing to do with TA.
legendary
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and for Christ's sake keep the majority of your bitcoins off the exchange. If you don't hold the private keys, you don't own any bitcoin.
hero member
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I have a lot of people wanting me to help them enter in the Bitcoin/Cryptos (like a broker).

When they see the alts they all want to buy them too, so I advise them to diversify 2-5% of their capital in them.

This is fresh fiat that would go into BTC if it wasn't for the alts.*

I bet my clients are not the only ones doing so.

On the other hand *they have to buy BTC first in order to buy alts, though this is changing fast.

Opinions?
Alts are quick pump&dumps, you can make a lot of profit on those but you gotta strictly daytrade them (quick in, quick out), and only the new ones.

So technically that would be fiat --> BTC --> random shitcoin --> back to BTC.
I exclude Ripple and Stellar from the alt list though (for various obvious reasons).

Pump & dump is a relative term, NXT first traded at 0.000001 ...
Even NXT, once it reaches the top of the pump, it's just down and down and down (little bounces at support level but nothing spectacular).
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You know... that s--- is so rigged. Those scumbags at Finex have no problem putting my orders through when they go against me, but when they are going to go in my favor they f--- me. Done with them. Probably done with all of this s---. Fuck!! And yea, I should go post this somewhere else, but that's bull----, too because people ought to know when the fix is on. That's what a speculation board should be for. This f---ing bulls---.
Yeah Finex is having some issues lately, I suggest you avoid margin trading and play only on Exchange for now, or does buying/selling also have problems?  Huh

No, I guess I have just gotten greedy. Also, it cost me what would have been an 8% profit just now. Not huge, but it is hard enough to beat the house. I am just super frustrated about it. Thanks for the sentiment. That really is what I should go back to doing.
I feel you bro, last time finex had problems, it happened when it didn't allow me to buy at 450 during the first flash crash Sad
It could have been an instant 10-20% on a big position Sad Sad
Fuck Bitfinex lol

Ouch. Ok, at least I am not alone on the boat. Have a jolly night. Finally going to sleep.
hero member
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You know... that s--- is so rigged. Those scumbags at Finex have no problem putting my orders through when they go against me, but when they are going to go in my favor they f--- me. Done with them. Probably done with all of this s---. Fuck!! And yea, I should go post this somewhere else, but that's bull----, too because people ought to know when the fix is on. That's what a speculation board should be for. This f---ing bulls---.
Yeah Finex is having some issues lately, I suggest you avoid margin trading and play only on Exchange for now, or does buying/selling also have problems?  Huh

No, I guess I have just gotten greedy. Also, it cost me what would have been an 8% profit just now. Not huge, but it is hard enough to beat the house. I am just super frustrated about it. Thanks for the sentiment. That really is what I should go back to doing.
I feel you bro, last time finex had problems, it happened when it didn't allow me to buy at 450 during the first flash crash last week or so Sad
It could have been an instant 10-20% on a big position Sad Sad
Fuck Bitfinex lol
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