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time to kiss $500 goodbye

Agreed,
$600 here we come.

wrong, bitcoin is dropping to $485 very soon
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time to kiss $500 goodbye
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Absolutely false on its face.

All trade is by definition positive sum, and a market is merely the aggregation of all trades. This arises because the preferences of individual participants are not monolithic.

The whole anti-TA strain I can understand is very compelling from a sense of misguided skepticism and not wanting to be made a fool, but all of these knee jerk non-criticisms transparently come out of a lack of understanding of what TA even is in the first place.

Imagine this scenario:

10 men are locked in a room. They are given different quantities of 2 assets each. They start exchanging those 2 assets among them, effectively creating a 'market' and determining a 'price' of asset A measured in asset B and viceversa.
This price is recorded day by day, and a graph drawn on the wall of the room.

Now, as times goes on, 9 of these 10 men start seeing things in the graph. They seems to fool themselves into thinking that somewhat future prices are determined by previous ones. They take rules and compasses and start identifying 'trends' and 'patterns' in the graph. They think: "price has gone up for the last 3 days, it is more probable that it will go up today, instead of going down". They completely forgot the base mechanics, as you recall correctly: trades and trades alone determine price.

The 10th man, more wise, don't believe this mumbo jumbo. He understand the mechanics. He also know, now, that another mechanic has been added to the game: beliefs.

So at the start of the day he buy a bit of B, fooling the others into thinking: "see? what did i told you? trend is up". And they buy, and buy...
It is at that point that our trading hero sell.

So, while these 9 men think they are smart because they can see 2 moving averages cross, the other one fool them. A lot.

After a year the room is unlocked. Every pieces of A and B are in the pockets of our hero. The others pockets are empty.

Here endeth the lesson.
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ltc to 2.65 and btc to 350.. can this wave be it? cmon
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Absolutely false on its face.

All trade is by definition positive sum, and a market is merely the aggregation of all trades. This arises because the preferences of individual participants are not monolithic.

The whole anti-TA strain I can understand is very compelling from a sense of misguided skepticism and not wanting to be made a fool, but all of these knee jerk non-criticisms transparently come out of a lack of understanding of what TA even is in the first place.
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It was up 90% from $3.30 though ??

If it touches 6 again it will retrace to 4.

Short much?

It was also down ~90% from it´s last ATH. It could easily go up to 20$ within 10 days.

true, and 4hr chart actually makes it look like it could just be getting started. OR this is just a huge fakeout. whatever you do, don't leverage with LTC. the volatility/no liquidity is insane. BTC is volatile enough for me for now. Smiley
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It was up 90% from $3.30 though ??

If it touches 6 again it will retrace to 4.

Short much?

It was also down ~90% from it´s last ATH. It could easily go up to 15-20$ within 10 days.
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It was up 90% from $3.30 though ??

If it touches 6 again it will retrace to 4.
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LTC shorts almost doubled in the last 36h. They are going to get squeezed pretty fucking hard, again.

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Back above 500! Yay!
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I prefer yachts. I am looking at between 35 and 45 feet. Need to be able to sail it singlehanded - the missus is not capable!


http://www.boattest.com/All-boats/AllBoatsThumbs/Nordhavn/Nordhavn-43-run.jpg

Nordhavn boats are go anywhere, no nonsense vessels, VERY fuel efficient world cruisers.  They are made in sizes up to 120' if you happen to belong to the Vladamer Club.  These boats reminds me a lot of bitcoin, no matter how rough and how far down in the wave trough it is, you can rest assured it will come back up the next wave.

  If by yacht you mean sailboat, Mason 44 is a fine go anywhere vessel by the same builders.  Lafitte 44 is another fine go anywhere sailboat of older vintage, bargains can be found.

Now back to lurking... Cool
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looks to me like we could get a decent bounce here off the 61.8% retracement level ($491 on Bitfinex). what do you think guys, time to go up for a bit? nothing moon-like, though. Tongue

it's looking good to me!  504 and the order book on stamp looks healthy, 4hr MACD about to cross just crossed
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That is flawed logic.
 
Over 90% of golf players use golf clubs too... does not mean they are ever going to be able to play like Tiger woods or Rory McIlroy or Arnold Palmer or Greg Norman or Seve Ballesteros or any of the many many awesome professional players... and that is just one example in many many fields, of people using the same tools... but different performance/outcomes/results/wins...  

 Smiley
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Found Lost beach - quiet now
T&A is better than TA, and more fun.
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Breaking 500$? What does Jesse Livermore have to say about this?

"But it is not wise to get out when the break
 is the result of a raid by an operator, because the moment he
 stops the price must rebound. Inverted tips."


Except we been sitting around 504 because of one guy dumping huge earlier and broke 500 support.  The btc market doesn't listen to logic, sadly.  A small minority think Jesse is right; the majority of traders just look at the TA.


Yeah, if TA worked i will be rich by now Smiley

I stopped using it when i realized that:
- future prices are unrelated to past prices
- indicators are only good a posteriori
- a single trade can break a 'trend'
- black swan events happens

Huh. Does that mean since I am using TA and I did get rich(er) as a result, I'm allowed to conclude TA works?


You didn't get richer because you used TA. You got richer despite using it. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

Oh, that's fine with me. You did however note that the post I quoted claims TA doesn't work because it didn't make him rich. Which, as per your own argument, makes it an invalid conclusion as well, right?

Anyway, this discussion is moot of course. TA works, and it's not really a big secret. Doesn't mean 80% of the "TA" posts in here aren't bullshit, of course.
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Breaking 500$? What does Jesse Livermore have to say about this?

"But it is not wise to get out when the break
 is the result of a raid by an operator, because the moment he
 stops the price must rebound. Inverted tips."


Except we been sitting around 504 because of one guy dumping huge earlier and broke 500 support.  The btc market doesn't listen to logic, sadly.  A small minority think Jesse is right; the majority of traders just look at the TA.


Yeah, if TA worked i will be rich by now Smiley

I stopped using it when i realized that:
- future prices are unrelated to past prices
- indicators are only good a posteriori
- a single trade can break a 'trend'
- black swan events happens

Huh. Does that mean since I am using TA and I did get rich(er) as a result, I'm allowed to conclude TA works?


You didn't get richer because you used TA. You got richer despite using it. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
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