What does "manipulation" even mean to you? You think you have some God given right to buy low and sell high? It is likely big players are buying and selling back to themselves hoping to ignite a rally or spark a panic that they can take advantage of, but you can just as easily skim off of them by betting against the signal. Or bet with it and ride the trend if you want. That's not manipulation. That's how free marker price discovery works. Shaking out the weak hands.
Nobody is front running your buy or sell order. Nobody is shorting coins that don't exist. Even if you suspected as much, all you would have to do is go to another exchange. By bitching about manipulation, all you are telling me is that you can't hack this game and should go away. If you think you have an edge in some way, bet on it and I won't call you a manipulator. If you don't think you have an edge, find one or just go away. The free market's a jungle and you sound like you'd be happier in a zoo.
Nobody is front running your buy or sell order. Nobody is shorting coins that don't exist. Even if you suspected as much, all you would have to do is go to another exchange. By bitching about manipulation, all you are telling me is that you can't hack this game and should go away. If you think you have an edge in some way, bet on it and I won't call you a manipulator. If you don't think you have an edge, find one or just go away. The free market's a jungle and you sound like you'd be happier in a zoo.
If you are referring to me (since my post using the term "manipulation" is immediately preceding your quasi-incomprehensible rant of a post), I will entertain you with a brief response.
First: why is it that you seem to have some kind of cork up your ass and you seem to want to argue... Maybe you have a little time on your hands, since the market is NOT moving too much?
Second: You seem to either to have NOT read my post, or you are getting it all out of context. Surely, there are a lot of ways to discuss manipulation, and I have used the word in a variety of ways in the past. In my above post, I used the term manipulation to refer to what seems to have been a real dynamic concerning what was going on with GOX. In reality, even today, after a couple of months of their being shut down, the evidence in the public is fairly unclear about what was going on at GOX; however, there seems to be considerable consensus around the point that GOX was engaged in some form of manipulation of the quantity of BTC that they had and the quantity of BTC that they were allowing to be traded. In that regard, if those BTC do NOT exist then GOX should NOT have been allowing them to be traded. Surely some ambiguity whether they broke any laws or NOT, but there is a certain amount of risk that takes place when owners of BTC entrust their BTC to a third party, outside of the blockchain. I believe that there are a variety of solutions that are being considered and worked on in order to allow for decentralized exchanges... in order that owners of BTC would NOT have to entrust their BTC to third parties (at least NOT as much as what seems to be taking place under centralized exchange systems).
Third: your reference to other kinds of manipulation that may be taking place by whales on exchanges were NOT a part of my earlier post, so it seems to be a rant without any immediate foundation. Although I have brought up that subject in previous posts, i have NOT mentioned it in recent posts. If you want to go down that avenue, then probably we need a context, rather than you merely creating some kind of lack of context argument that is difficult to pinpoint b/c it seems to be a fiction of your own creation, even though definitely it is a worthy topic.
Fourth: Your several times retort about wanting to me to go away is a little bit hilarious - like you are all emotional about some infliction that I supposedly caused.. and the solution is that I should supposedly go away. This thread should be big enough for all of us, no? I just cannot agree that I am going to only post items that are within your tolerance and acceptance.. or that my BTC investment perspective is sufficiently aligned with your values, if you have any.. they have been difficult to pinpoint recently.
Fifth: If there is some personal matter that you want to discuss, then I am open to PM.... Don't want to bore folks here with matters that may end up having some personal concerns about style or courtesy or whatever...
I have a couple more points, but I will save them for later, if needed... Hopefully, my points above are sufficient to respond to your concerns and to help to clarify matters to some extent.
How will it end?=)
