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legendary
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Anyone noticed the strange under market price sales @ gox? Sales show both at bitcoinwisom and clarkmoody.

That's not strange. That is expected behavior at Gox.
hero member
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Anyone noticed the strange under market price sales @ gox? Sales show both at bitcoinwisom and clarkmoody.

Gox:

23:13:37   921.20000   0.8606
23:13:37   921.90504   0.5000
23:13:37   921.91005   0.0100
23:13:37   922.00000   0.5335
23:12:24   922.00000   0.4000
23:12:10   901.03210   2.0000
23:12:10   906.00000   1.0000
23:12:10   906.02000   0.5519
23:11:46   922.00000   0.0510

newbie
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Just withdrew some coins off of Gox, transaction on it's way, showing up on the blockchain, i'll keep you updated

any joy?
hero member
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I've been hodling no following required.

What a rather sheeplike thing to say.

Had to un-ignore you on the chance you wrote something genius. thanks for living up to the past.
legendary
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legendary
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I think he misunderstood my post. The question was "Why are we following China?", considering that everyone knows their volume is hyperinflated by no transaction fees.

It doesn't look like anyone is following anyone at the moment. We are all running in place. There is enough new fiat coming into the exchanges to buy up any excess supply of bitcoins and besides that everyone is just staring at everyone else.

The only people who may be watching China are day traders on other exchanges hoping anxiously to be on the right side the next move.
hero member
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I've been hodling no following required.

What a rather sheeplike thing to say.
hero member
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I think he misunderstood my post. The question was "Why are we following China?", considering that everyone knows their volume is hyperinflated by no transaction fees.

sheep are sheep, I've been hodling no following required.
sr. member
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I think he misunderstood my post. The question was "Why are we following China?", considering that everyone knows their volume is hyperinflated by no transaction fees.
legendary
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Dumb broad
Try getting fiat onto one of the Chinese exchanges- or indeed, getting it out.

One of those times when your 'academic' approach falls foul of reality.

As I said, you need a substantial position at both exchanges (or you find an associate with accounts at the other exchange and agree to split the profits). It is not a game for small investors.  

Suppose that the effective exchange rate is 5 CNY = 1 USD.

You buy 1 BTC for 900 USD at Bitstamp when its price is too low. You send the BTC to your associate, who sells it for 5000 CNY = 1000 USD.   Now you have temporarily lost 900 USD and he has cashed in 5000 CNY = 1000 USD, so your society has made 100 USD net profit.

Later if conditions reverse he buys 1 BTC for 4500 CNY = 900 USD at Huobi, sends it to you. You sell at Bitstamp for 1000 USD.  Counting both operations, you made a 100 USD profit, he made a 500 CNY profit, and you are settled.

What if things do not even out? Suppose you were only able to do arbitrages of the first type above, and at some point you have accumulated a 10000 USD loss while he got a 70000 CNY gain.  Supose that at that moment the price is even, 1000 USD = 5000 CNY.  Then he buys 12 BTC at 60000 CNY, sends them to you. You sell them at Bitstamp for 12000 USD.  Now your net profit is 2000 USD, his is 10000 CNY = 2000 USD, and both are even.  

In ny case, each side can easily withdraw his profits in his own currency, without any currency conversion or international money transfers.

 

Sorry, Jorge but while you're correct in your scenario its not really arbitrage: your scenario is based on making profit by the market moving appropriately, not by exploiting different exchange rates.

I may as well wait for the price to move on Bitstamp and buy and sell there.

Unless you have a contact in China with the appropriate bank accounts, it can't be done.  And why would someone in China do it, a Westerner brings nothing to the table needed for the process.

As I said, your academic approach is all very well but you should actually try trading in this environment.
hero member
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The BTC-e thing was pretty obviously malicious FUD, but the Gox issue is live and frankly, worrying to a nervous market.

Seems to me that Bitcoin land is infested with sharks, snakes, and just plain old crooks. Possibly the unique combination of 'financial trades' and practically no regulation are proving to be the magnet attracting so many of these types. Bitcoin already has a history of exchanges and other ventures going 'bust' and vanishing with everyone's Geld. With Mt Gox still having the image of being the 'go to' exchange for Bitcoin trading at least in the minds of much of the media and most laymen, it would be bad news indeed if Mt Gox were to go the same way.

I am hoping that my instincts are serving me well in allowing me to feel comfortable in having a sizeable sum of USD in my account at Bitstamp. (was Unicredit not on the list of Euro banks in trouble?)
legendary
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Duelbits.com
This CoinDesk article

http://www.coindesk.com/poll-mt-gox-withdrawal-issues/

says that

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(Mt.GOX) then posted an update saying that large bitcoin withdrawals may have been “stuck”, but that it had resolved the problem by refunding the affected accounts.

Isn't that the same as saying "we did not send those BTC, and we have no plans to do so"?


They have refunded mine for 10.89 BTC withdrawal that was nowhere for 8 days, I just tried to withdraw half of that, it was some 10 minutes ago and it's still not in blockchain.

Looks like another period of waiting for my BTC is in front of me.

Did another one for 1 BTC and still none in Blockchain. So it looks that they refund meant f'all for me.
legendary
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Duelbits.com
This CoinDesk article

http://www.coindesk.com/poll-mt-gox-withdrawal-issues/

says that

Quote
(Mt.GOX) then posted an update saying that large bitcoin withdrawals may have been “stuck”, but that it had resolved the problem by refunding the affected accounts.

Isn't that the same as saying "we did not send those BTC, and we have no plans to do so"?


They have refunded mine for 10.89 BTC withdrawal that was nowhere for 8 days, I just tried to withdraw half of that, it was some 10 minutes ago and it's still not in blockchain.

Looks like another period of waiting for my BTC is in front of me.
hero member
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BTC-E higer than Bitstamp first time since.... Huh  Grin

Edit: Darn well I think there was a brief moment....
legendary
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legendary
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that's snow joke!  Wink

(be safe)
hero member
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Great...Much snow headed our way:

legendary
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Er... Actually it's not FUD, it's actually true - and Gox admit there are problems, this is what the site itself says:

"Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays

Dear MtGox Customers,

As noted recently, we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly, affecting a limited number of users. Currently the problem is being fixed, but many previous transactions did not go through over the past days. Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full, so any transactions that appeared to be "stuck" should now be refunded.

This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. Smaller transactions should be fine in the meantime, and we will update you on the status as soon as possible.

Thank you for your patience.

Best Regards,

MtGox Team"

But the above is not true, I understand Seleme on here is still waiting - and of four withdrawals (which I wouldn't call large) which I have made in the past two weeks, three were a week late and one today (1.4 BTC) is yet again stuck and not on the blockchain.

There is a problem and it is getting worse.  Late withdrawals are not being refunded they are (finally, so far) turning up where they were sent.

It is not good for market confidence and is at least 2 weeks old and not improving.  My own experience is that 100% of my last three withdrawals disappeared when they were listed as 'sent' by Gox and removed from my account.

The BTC-e thing was pretty obviously malicious FUD, but the Gox issue is live and frankly, worrying to a nervous market.

legendary
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Long time lurker. Created account just to say that of all message boards I have come across Fonzie is the most obnoxious troll I have ever seen. I created an account just to ignore him. Well done sir.

Welcome...

here is a welcome from some other guys on the forum too...

legendary
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Long time lurker. Created account just to say that of all message boards I have come across Fonzie is the most obnoxious troll I have ever seen. I created an account just to ignore him. Well done sir.

LOL Welcome to the forum.

I guess his posts were actually good for something then. Wink

Welcome.  We need more rational minds around here.
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