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legendary
Activity: 2170
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This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.

Give us a rough time then
This perspective is not largely based on time. No estimate within reasonable accuracy.

Well then how can you say we are nowhere near?

By interpreting the charts. When the time will come for the last sub-wave of wave C I'll sure post about it.
It could be 2 - 3 months from now, or 4 - 6 months, depending on the amplitude of the drops and trade volume.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.
Nor is capitulation necessarily in the cards.  We've seen a variety of these blow-offs in the past, and many lack a meaningful capitulation.

A meaningful capitulation requires that the participating funds should despair.  But despair usually requires a degree of certainty or a wearisome, prolonged level of grinding fear that may be unavailable in this cycle.  After all, the rise was put on with all the punditry railing against the bubble.  The longer we spend at this level, the more absurd the bubble talk becomes.  Speculators on the intraday frames will perhaps feel some despair, but those trading on daily, weekly, monthly scales have little reason to capitulate.  Almost all of them are up 100, 200, 400%, 800%.  Push the price down below 400 and you may see some serious capitulation blowing out.  If that doesn't happen, I don't think there will be a dramatic bottom, just a long slow jam until the on-ramps get all knickered again and we do the gravity slingshot thing to mars.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1012
There is an overstock of coins right now. Cheesy

It's going to be interesting to find out if overstock are able to hedge against the volatility.
If they are able to, then maybe there's hope for a larger adoption of bitcoin.
If not, and they end up with a significant loss, instead of the small gains they expected, the signal will be bearish.

You are aware they are selling their coins, right?

Is the selling instant? Don't they have to transfer the coins, and get the desired price, which may take some time?
In the meantime, during a sell-off, the price could drop 10% and they would end up with a 10% fiat loss.

It's all done by the payment processor. Overstock gets (in fiat) exactly what they would get if they sold the item for fiat.

Edit: Actually they get slightly more thanks to reduced fees of the Bitcoin payment processor.
full member
Activity: 166
Merit: 100
Feels good to sit 100% fiat until the sleeping dragon awakes. I'm guessing selling should resume in about 3 hours.

What if they buy?
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k


Checkmate bulls, downcrash confirmed.

You are Jean Michel Jarre and I claim my five pounds

legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1094
There is an overstock of coins right now. Cheesy

It's going to be interesting to find out if overstock are able to hedge against the volatility.
If they are able to, then maybe there's hope for a larger adoption of bitcoin.
If not, and they end up with a significant loss, instead of the small gains they expected, the signal will be bearish.

You are aware they are selling their coins, right?

Is the selling instant? Don't they have to transfer the coins, and get the desired price, which may take some time?
In the meantime, during a sell-off, the price could drop 10% and they would end up with a 10% fiat loss.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.

Give us a rough time then
This perspective is not largely based on time. No estimate within reasonable accuracy.

Well then how can you say we are nowhere near?
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

Thus I expect that they will auction the SilkRoad stash in largish lots (just small enough to have competitive auctions), and let the market do whatever it will do.

The US Govt should just hold for a few years and then they can just switch seamlessly from $ to BTC when the time comes.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 508
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.

Give us a rough time then
This perspective is not largely based on time. No estimate within reasonable accuracy.
full member
Activity: 125
Merit: 100
Feels good to sit 100% fiat until the sleeping dragon awakes. I'm guessing selling should resume in about 3 hours.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1007
Hide your women
Overstock is using Coinbase, NOT Bitpay, Geniuses.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
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I wonder what the biggest retailer to outright accept BTC without a payment processor. Anyone know?

Your momma?

Honestly, I tried to resist.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.

Give us a rough time then
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
There is an overstock of coins right now. Cheesy

It's going to be interesting to find out if overstock are able to hedge against the volatility.
If they are able to, then maybe there's hope for a larger adoption of bitcoin.
If not, and they end up with a significant loss, instead of the small gains they expected, the signal will be bearish.

You are aware they are selling their coins, right?

They ought to. They have to pay their suppliers with fiat money; what else could they do? I strongly believe though that they don't give up all their income in btc... It's not wise, nor profitable. Roll Eyes

Bitpay gets the coins, Overstock gets the lower transaction cost.
And Bitpay they are better suited to manage the risk of hodling or dupming.

Wait for the volume, don't buy until you see the whites of their eyes.  (or at least until after my limit orders all hit)



Yes. That's practically every major retailer so far. I wonder what the biggest retailer to outright accept BTC without a payment processor. Anyone know?
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 508
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction. And as the days countdown to 31 January and nothing happens, people wanting to buy in but waiting for the China crash are going to start getting twitchy!  Smiley

any action is more likely to be during the week of Feb 10.

Why do you think?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
stamp looks like it's beginning to rebound


and as always, HODL
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
Gresham's Lawyer
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction. And as the days countdown to 31 January and nothing happens, people wanting to buy in but waiting for the China crash are going to start getting twitchy!  Smiley

any action is more likely to be during the week of Feb 10.

Great, that will move the Bitcoin 1K party into the spring when it is warmer.
full member
Activity: 280
Merit: 100
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
One Token to Move Anything Anywhere
I've decided I'm not smart enough for trading. Sold all, fiat withdrawal pending.

you failed hard at HOLD!

And this is a very soft sell!
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