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My guess turned out right, Dogecoin is actually more hyped than Bitcoin right now: http://www.redditlist.com/

Dogecoin #55

Bitcoin #60

I'm still shaking.

I've always believed that the rise of a poorly conceived alt, such as LiteCoin, would reveal how stupid the entire crypto scene is and that it is driven purely by greed and price manipulation. But if Dogecoin turns out to be the prick to Bitcoin's bubble... That would be an even greater cosmic joke.

Can't wait.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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For all those even THINKING about "investing" in scamcoins: Don't forget that ultimately, there will only be ONE coin of each hashing algorithm because of the natural concentration of hashing power and the threat of 51% attacks.

Perhaps doge will be the scrypt one. It will certainly be hilarious to watch blight fight dogshit.
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You sir, are picking it up wron aswell. Current mining delivers me 10k of dogecoins every 8 hours. With outbursts of 21k.

Looking at the current hyping situation, like BTC did in his kindergarden days. There would be a possibility having a dogecoin being worth $0,70 some day.

If so, I'd be laughing so hard... my dick falls off instantly.

Ah! Good luck with that, and pic's if your dick does indeed fall off  Wink

I certainly will. And while im at it, ill pay the doctors bill with Dogecoins.

Seriously, not to hurt or step on anyones toes here. BTC is amazing, and for now it deserves a Quality status as it's been going through an amazing prise rise.
It's just hard too understand that so many people are suddenly feeling like a God now that BTC is skyhigh above all other crypto's. It started somewhere... where other cryptos are now.

Just keep that in mind.
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My guess turned out right, Dogecoin is actually more hyped than Bitcoin right now: http://www.redditlist.com/

Dogecoin #55

Bitcoin #60

I'm still shaking.

I knew it was all gravy after the PBOC released this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDhCOQhUO1s
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You sir, are picking it up wron aswell. Current mining delivers me 10k of dogecoins every 8 hours. With outbursts of 21k.

Looking at the current hyping situation, like BTC did in his kindergarden days. There would be a possibility having a dogecoin being worth $0,70 some day.

If so, I'd be laughing so hard... my dick falls off instantly.

Ah! Good luck with that, and pic's if your dick does indeed fall off  Wink
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By the way, you guys should absolutely check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/. It's insane. I don't even know how they can sustain this hype. It really is at least as active as r/bitcoin.

Unexpected consequences.......Dogecoin is the perfect educational vehicle for how cryptocurrency works to people who wouldn't otherwise give a damn!

Shiiiit...that's heavy. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

 

Thats why I started mining Dogecoins  Roll Eyes

You're picking it up wrong, even in Dogeshit, there may be some value to BTC's future. A little bit of Dogeshit on ones boot on the march to BTC adoption is but a trifle.

You sir, are picking it up wron aswell. Current mining delivers me 10k of dogecoins every 8 hours. With outbursts of 21k.

Looking at the current hyping situation, like BTC did in his kindergarden days. There would be a possibility having a dogecoin being worth $0,70 some day.

If so, I'd be laughing so hard... my dick falls off instantly.
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My guess turned out right, Dogecoin is actually more hyped than Bitcoin right now: http://www.redditlist.com/

Dogecoin #55

Bitcoin #60

I'm still shaking.
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Long term perspective is generally even more difficult to predict. Based on how peak/correction cycles played out historically, I would be extremely surprised if we've already seen the end of the correction. Late January/Early February is more likely based on how previous corrections played out wrt time. Price targets are difficult because it all depends on whether the December 18 low was really the bottom, or just an intermediate step in a larger more forceful downtrend, or alternatively, a long drawn out decline. I still see the possibility that daily SMA100 was active as support on that crash, and the final capitulation will be higher than the low of December 18, but that's not a strong conviction I hold, at best an informed guess.

It doesn't seem like you've factored in the kinds of changes - "mass-adoption" (or at least evolving mass-awareness thanks to increased media coverage), developing services, etc. - that have led to some calling this the "tipping point" for Bitcoin. Of course it is impossible to give precise mathematical indicators in this respect but qualitatively speaking things are not the same now as they were historically. That said, the December 18 low of $450 fits well in comparison with history.

We are nowhere close to mass adoption, not by a long shot. I just spent dinner with my extended family where there were five middle aged wealthy men attending (not overly wealthy, just have nice jobs, equity in their homes,  investments, et cetera). Not a single one of them knew anything more than Bitcoin by name. NONE of them were interested at all in investing in Bitcoin, too risky, too strange, to difficult to even understand for them.

I spent 15 minutes discussing Bitcoin with the most open minded of the bunch. He wanted to know what he would do to even buy a single coin. Holy crap, what method was I going to suggest to this guy who can barely get Skype to work correctly. I chose a paper wallet and Local Bitcoins. He thought it was reasonable, however, i could tell by the look in his eyes there was no way in Hell he was going to invest a single dollar any time soon.

The masses ARE NOT early adopters, they will not do research, take a chance, learn about digital wallets, trust some web site exchange or anything of the sort. If it isn't offered by their broker, or banker, or something they can buy at the local Gold dealer, then they are not interested. BITCOIN right now seems a world away from this mass adoption. A WORLD AWAY.

We are still in speculative, niche phase that has a long way to go to play out. It is the biggest reason Bitcoin can fail because if another Crypto steps in and solves these access problems look out. Guys like those in my family DO NOT care about the virtues of Bitcoin's distributed, non-regulated, anti-govt protocol. They will invest in the first thing that is 1) accessible 2) available to them through standard channels 3) endorsed by things they trust: banks, govts, large companies.

That said the price may go to $2000 in the next month Smiley, or $200....

Confession: Permabull.

These people do not look like potential early adopters to me, and they are ok, we are ok. There are billions of people in the world, and we need only a tiny part of those people to be adopters at this point, just a few more than the number of people leaving bitcoin.

I can not predict the short term price development, and I think noone can. Here is why: Many of the current users are unsure about the future, and they look over the shoulders of the others to try to find out. A bunch of people having their own opinion that changes, and at the same time trying to guess what the future change of opinion others have (and guess what others guess that the others guess...). That makes the price a chaotic function.

Rpietila and others are right in that there is an underlying exponential function for the long term, based on number of users and what value each users want to have in reserve. But we do not know the parameters of that function (the start value and the increase per time period). It could be far lower than the historic price. The actual price can also be lower than the baseline, due to speculation, just as well as it can be higher. The baseline is purely theoretic, and it will never be possible to prove what it is.

So there is room for more lows. I just don't want to set my coins at risk.

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By the way, you guys should absolutely check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/. It's insane. I don't even know how they can sustain this hype. It really is at least as active as r/bitcoin.

Unexpected consequences.......Dogecoin is the perfect educational vehicle for how cryptocurrency works to people who wouldn't otherwise give a damn!

Shiiiit...that's heavy. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

 

Thats why I started mining Dogecoins  Roll Eyes

You're picking it up wrong, even in Dogeshit, there may be some value to BTC's future. A little bit of Dogeshit on ones boot on the march to BTC adoption is but a trifle.
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By the way, you guys should absolutely check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/. It's insane. I don't even know how they can sustain this hype. It really is at least as active as r/bitcoin.

Unexpected consequences.......Dogecoin is the perfect educational vehicle for how cryptocurrency works to people who wouldn't otherwise give a damn!

Shiiiit...that's heavy. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

 

Thats why I started mining Dogecoins  Roll Eyes
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I am starting to feel that if I go to sleep now I may miss the drop that is coming.
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Let's go through a number of points how this is going to resolve. First, if you don't mention time frames, your analysis fails already, so I'll crudely break this down into short and long term.

Short term (say, this weekend, plus next week) I see:
a) several relevant short-to-medium term trends are active, among them 6h EMA30 (that performs extremely well in my backtests on recent data). Price remains above that one, as well as the quicker hourly EMA150. For a slightly slower perspective, 1d EMA30, i.e. the 1 month trend line is a focal point: price hovers just above it. I don't want to claim it provides support, not enough volume for that, but we should see if it holds in the next days.
b) bid/ask ratio is going down right now across all exchanges. That's usually a bearish sign, but in combination with a stagnating price, it's less drastic in my experience.
c) by a (relatively) crude method I use, based on a mean of the volume-weighted price of the peak and low of the most recent price swing, we're *right* on top of that mean. Similarly to my point about 1d EMA30, that's leads to a rather unsatisfactory "it could swing either way, but the next days should resolve it one way or the other".

Long term perspective is generally even more difficult to predict. Based on how peak/correction cycles played out historically, I would be extremely surprised if we've already seen the end of the correction. Late January/Early February is more likely based on how previous corrections played out wrt time. Price targets are difficult because it all depends on whether the December 18 low was really the bottom, or just an intermediate step in a larger more forceful downtrend, or alternatively, a long drawn out decline. I still see the possibility that daily SMA100 was active as support on that crash, and the final capitulation will be higher than the low of December 18, but that's not a strong conviction I hold, at best an informed guess.

So, blah blah blah Short term - "it could swing either way, but the next days should resolve it one way or the other".
And blah blah blah Long Term - "Long term perspective is generally even more difficult to predict."

Great. Thx.  And you have the balls to slag rpietila off

Hmmm... How to answer... Oh, right:

Instead of quoting and making insults, why don't you just count your BTC and learn from them who have more??  Huh
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It'll be interesting to see how much pure hype can propel a fad.
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it seems clear that everyone and her brother are short-term bearish (hence has already sold everything not nailed down) and long-term bullish (hence has nailed everything left down twice, and then bolted it and welded the door shut).  i am finding it increasingly difficult to imagine who, then, is left to sell anything?  the guy loaded bought his doges from?
Perhaps bitcoin is bigger than this forum and the people calling the shots are not posting their book here. In fact I thought that the going theory was that bitcoin was being accumulated by corporations now. If people say that the bitcoin is run by corporations but then they also say forum posters control the price and forum poster's sentiment can be used to reverse-determine the price, then that is a conflict and one must be false. Either

A) Bitcoin price is controlled by corporations and people outside this forum, in which we cannot predict the price using forum sentiment.

or

B) The price is still in fact controlled by forum posters, and everything else has been an illusion. In this case, the price does not belong at this level to begin with.
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By the way, you guys should absolutely check out http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/. It's insane. I don't even know how they can sustain this hype. It really is at least as active as r/bitcoin.

Unexpected consequences.......Dogecoin is the perfect educational vehicle for how cryptocurrency works to people who wouldn't otherwise give a damn!

Shiiiit...that's heavy. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

 
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Bitcoin is the copper to Litecoin's orange to Dogecoin's dogshit. Cheesy
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the phrase 'magic internet money' has a lot of resonance.  for those who do not understand it, the phrase captures the inherent absurdity of placing fiduciary trust in a mysterious incantation promoted by the primary current source of misinformation disinformation chicanery and charlatanry.  for those who do understand it, it captures the awe of a technological masterpiece, the marvel of the untrammeled vistas of future innovation, the absence of counterparty risk,  and the creative power of value added through network effects.



I think you got the two mixed up.
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I would also like to add this point, as I have not seen it mentioned (maybe I just missed it).

But I feel that if I had discovered Bitcoin in 2009 that I would have A LOT harder time justifying the prices that Bitcoin is at today.  If I had seen Bitcoin when it was new, only a step above Farmville money - had I watched it be traded as if it were worth something, while people were scamming each other and bitcoin was forked and the exchanges were hacked. If I had seen all that, seen a time where I could buy bitcoin for .10 cents or even $2 --> had I lived through that, I might be slightly staggered by todays price.

Instead, I learned about Bitcoin in April 2011. Right before the first big run up. And for 4 months I researched it, read every article, every discussion, every breakdown from the leading minds around the world that had something to say, good or bad. And then I invested.  And because of that, the price doesn't seem outrageous to me.

I suspect there is some of this psychology alive in other people - some like Blitz and some like myself.

FTFY, it's not that those of us from the beginning see the price as outrageous, no! not at all in any kind of way!

Rather we've experienced the joys of discovery and remember all too well that things are not as simple or as straightforward as we once expected them to be.

But it really doesn't matter, we're still here come high or low tide. Hopefully you will too, it's a question of preparation and avoiding the pain that can come with unexpected paths to the end destination.
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