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hero member
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So are you saying with all these bids, someone could still crash the market? During the last correction, it was over once we met with these solid bidwalls. What do you think theres some of those guys from the old gox days waiting to dump 100k btc loads all at once?

Did the walls look like this in april before crashing to 50?

How many bitcoins do you have? You don't need to tell me. How much do you know about bitcoin, compared to the ones that have 10x less? Yes, you tend to have a very different knowledge and mindset than they do.

Now is the difficult part. How do the people think that have more bitcoins than you do, let's say 10x more? Don't they think differently than you? What are the implications?

I have a certain number of bitcoins and think a certain way. I extrapolate that the guys above me know even more and better than I do. If they have figured out that this is a good time to have a breather, they will execute their will. If I am wrong, I will eat my losses ($2 million in bank is a such a shame to have). Bitcoin is a managed currency.

--Of course the walls etc. have predictive value, but the difference is: you accept them, I erect them. The actual game is, whether (or: who of the) manipulators can increase their coincount, and how to keep the price appreciating such that it preserves bitcoin's long term potential to replace fiat.

Its more than a bit arrogant to equate # of bitcoins with knowledge or intelligence in trading. It makes you sound small for suggesting it.

More big money is coming into this market and the amount of coins someone needs to "manipulate" it is becoming larger and larger.

Go ahead, dump 10k coins right now. Lets see where we are in 24 hours. I would suggest we would be at the same level or maybe higher.

You want to risk 10k+ coins to see if you can move the market down a few dollars from your average cost of coin sold? Ha. Ok, be my guest.

Unless there are a room full of 50k+ bitcoin owners strategizing together, then I doubt there is very much successful manipulation going on.

I mean, you were on here earlier today preaching bear to try to drive down the price and everyone saw right through your motivations right away.

But, lets do an open experiment. Choose an exchange. Dump 10k coins and see what you can buy them back for.  I'd love to see this case study. It certainly would shut everyone the hell up for a while about manipulation and "whale power."

to be honest.. seems like your goading him into cheap coins for all. I like your style.
legendary
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Strange, yet attractive.
How long do you guys think this rally last... we gonna rubber band a lil more if/or when some drops coins at 4-5am est again.. I am kind've feeling the rest of Nov as a Bearish month.

You never know... it's Bitcoin world. Wink
hero member
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I'm getting that euphoric feeling again that I've been getting every night lately where I'm completely confident in the price, buy more and am ready to go to sleep right before it starts crashing and I should have sold.
hero member
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Money hits my exchange
All the bears are in the caves
No 400 dollars coins for lil' ol me?

Haiku!  (well, almost) Smiley

I give you license to perfect it Cheesy ...considering it was born out of my angst of being a day late to grab the cheaper coins.. It sure hurt buying the last on at 619 + fees after seeing the dips over the past week.. Ahh buy and hold.. buy and hold.. remind me to never let the fiat well run dry on the exchanges.. oh shit I gotta make another bill payment before its too late lol
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
How long do you guys think this rally last... we gonna rubber band a lil more if/or when some drops coins at 4-5am est again.. I am kind've feeling the rest of Nov as a Bearish month.
legendary
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So are you saying with all these bids, someone could still crash the market? During the last correction, it was over once we met with these solid bidwalls. What do you think theres some of those guys from the old gox days waiting to dump 100k btc loads all at once?

Did the walls look like this in april before crashing to 50?

How many bitcoins do you have? You don't need to tell me. How much do you know about bitcoin, compared to the ones that have 10x less? Yes, you tend to have a very different knowledge and mindset than they do.

Now is the difficult part. How do the people think that have more bitcoins than you do, let's say 10x more? Don't they think differently than you? What are the implications?

I have a certain number of bitcoins and think a certain way. I extrapolate that the guys above me know even more and better than I do. If they have figured out that this is a good time to have a breather, they will execute their will. If I am wrong, I will eat my losses ($2 million in bank is a such a shame to have). Bitcoin is a managed currency.

--Of course the walls etc. have predictive value, but the difference is: you accept them, I erect them. The actual game is, whether (or: who of the) manipulators can increase their coincount, and how to keep the price appreciating such that it preserves bitcoin's long term potential to replace fiat.

Its more than a bit arrogant to equate # of bitcoins with knowledge or intelligence in trading. It makes you sound small for suggesting it.

More big money is coming into this market and the amount of coins someone needs to "manipulate" it is becoming larger and larger.

Go ahead, dump 10k coins right now. Lets see where we are in 24 hours. I would suggest we would be at the same level or maybe higher.

You want to risk 10k+ coins to see if you can move the market down a few dollars from your average cost of coin sold? Ha. Ok, be my guest.

Unless there are a room full of 50k+ bitcoin owners strategizing together, then I doubt there is very much successful manipulation going on.

I mean, you were on here earlier today preaching bear to try to drive down the price and everyone saw right through your motivations right away.

But, lets do an open experiment. Choose an exchange. Dump 10k coins and see what you can buy them back for.  I'd love to see this case study. It certainly would shut everyone the hell up for a while about manipulation and "whale power."
legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
Fortuna, of course Smiley

Eris. Discordianism gives a unique insight into Bitcoin and you'd be surprised how much the law of fives helps with TA.

You have my blessing! Go forth and trade, lest ye be traded!

Pro-tip: the law of fives is an excellent guide to reality, but it can not, I repeat can not hold a candle to the all mighty nexus of chaotic synchronicity, that is the number 23. Of course, 23, 2 + 3 = 5. So watch out for Fridays. And the 23rd day of the month. If it falls on a Friday you can expect pure chaos. And what if it Friday the 23rd is in May, the 5th month of the year...like NEXT YEAR?

Then you should come here:

http://goo.gl/maps/clEVJ

47 (23,5*2) latitude, 23,5 longitude for the first ever worldwide discordian celebration! Smiley
full member
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Money hits my exchange
All the bears are in the caves
No 400 dollars coins for lil' ol me?

Haiku!  (well, almost) Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1002
Strange, yet attractive.
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue

Read the post again, young man.

Upon waking up, I removed 25% of BTC China (world's biggest exchange) bid depth. The guys who have more bitcoins than I do, control the bid depth in Gox and Stamp. When they remove the bids and start rolling, the price moves down however much they like.

This is how it works. Read the post again, so you understand why I wrote it in a byzantine way.

What about the ethics of this method? I mean, how do you feel when acquiring all those cheap coins from fool (or ignorant) people? Is there an up limit to greediness? I know it sounds like a philosophical POV but a) I am Greek (where philosophy was born) and b) there's a point in my question. There's a chance that I may predict my future life thesis from your current one. Does it ever stop?
hero member
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Spanish Bitcoin trader
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue
The previous bid sum ATH in Gox had been set after the April crash. I guess it was all the dollars on their way from before the bubble pop and arriving at a quite less optimistic scenario than when they were sent, together with the dollars of bears waiting to get back in.

There is a difference now, though: The ask sum is still quite lower, unlike in late April at $160 when the order book was balanced as well as liquid and next thing you knew WEEEEEEE! back to double digits again.
donator
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Well I think you're just having too much fiat on your hands and want to scoop up more coins at a cheaper price. There are many rich wannabe manipulators in this game but I doubt most are very successful at it. Smiley

Actually all of this I can agree with. Smiley

Luckily, with bitcoin you never lose. I have set a distribution schedule that goes all the way to $5M/BTC (in purchasing power). All the time it goes up, I get more cash flow that can be diversified, while still having more value in bitcoins. If it goes down, I get to buy back at profit. No matter what happens it's good to be covered.
member
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Upon waking up, I removed 25% of BTC China (world's biggest exchange) bid depth. The guys who have more bitcoins than I do, control the bid depth in Gox and Stamp. When they remove the bids and start rolling, the price moves down however much they like.

This is how it works.



Nice epeen, dude.
hero member
Activity: 574
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Bit the bullet and bought at CaVirtEx after Gox shot up another 25
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1002
Strange, yet attractive.
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue

Read the post again, young man.

Upon waking up, I removed 25% of BTC China (world's biggest exchange) bid depth. The guys who have more bitcoins than I do, control the bid depth in Gox and Stamp. When they remove the bids and start rolling, the price moves down however much they like.

This is how it works. Read the post again, so you understand why I wrote it in a byzantine way.

Well I think you're just having too much fiat on your hands and want to scoop up more coins at a cheaper price. There are many rich wannabe manipulators in this game but I doubt most are very successful at it. Smiley

Is it not what we all want? Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue

Read the post again, young man.

Upon waking up, I removed 25% of BTC China (world's biggest exchange) bid depth. The guys who have more bitcoins than I do, control the bid depth in Gox and Stamp. When they remove the bids and start rolling, the price moves down however much they like.

This is how it works. Read the post again, so you understand why I wrote it in a byzantine way.

Well I think you're just having too much fiat on your hands and want to scoop up more coins at a cheaper price. There are many rich wannabe manipulators in this game but I doubt most are very successful at it. Smiley
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue

Read the post again, young man.

Upon waking up, I removed 25% of BTC China (world's biggest exchange) bid depth. The guys who have more bitcoins than I do, control the bid depth in Gox and Stamp. When they remove the bids and start rolling, the price moves down however much they like.

This is how it works. Read the post again, so you understand why I wrote it in a byzantine way.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
I feel I should buy because I don't yet have what I want in btc holdings ( and yes I am going long with perhaps a lil playing of the Peaks and Valleys ) but I've waited half the time since my chance to grab a coin at 581cad + fees ..so I might as well wait out the next 1-2hrs till I think a bear may stirr due to calmer night waters over North America
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
If you think that 27M in bids on Gox and 13M on Bitstamp (both at ATH) is irrelevant well good luck to you trying to swim upstream. Tongue
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
So are you saying with all these bids, someone could still crash the market? During the last correction, it was over once we met with these solid bidwalls. What do you think theres some of those guys from the old gox days waiting to dump 100k btc loads all at once?

Did the walls look like this in april before crashing to 50?

How many bitcoins do you have? You don't need to tell me. How much do you know about bitcoin, compared to the ones that have 10x less? Yes, you tend to have a very different knowledge and mindset than they do.

Now is the difficult part. How do the people think that have more bitcoins than you do, let's say 10x more? Don't they think differently than you? What are the implications?

I have a certain number of bitcoins and think a certain way. I extrapolate that the guys above me know even more and better than I do. If they have figured out that this is a good time to have a breather, they will execute their will. If I am wrong, I will eat my losses ($2 million in bank is a such a shame to have). Bitcoin is a managed currency.

--Of course the walls etc. have predictive value, but the difference is: you accept them, I erect them. The actual game is, whether (or: who of the) manipulators can increase their coincount, and how to keep the price appreciating such that it preserves bitcoin's long term potential to replace fiat.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1000
Enabling the maximal migration


Could be the start of another US led bubble in the coming days.
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