Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33086.

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Quote from: Frozenlock on July 03, 2013, 01:31:32 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:27:56 PM

Quote from: Frozenlock on July 03, 2013, 01:20:29 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:17:22 PM

Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts.

I see how I can buy, not how I can short...

Account min was wrong above:
Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000.
Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000

If you want to short, call them up.

Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate.

Again, I saw that, but I still don't see if they offer any kind of shorting.

https://exante.eu/press/news/314/

Frozenlock

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Quote from: Ultraviolet on July 03, 2013, 01:48:00 PM

You _could_ short on BFX, routing to Bitstamp, but Bitstamp market depth is nothing like Gox, so....

Yeah, that's why I mentioned >1k BTC.
You can't really short in any meaningful way.

Ultraviolet

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You _could_ short on BFX, routing to Bitstamp, but Bitstamp market depth is nothing like Gox, so....

Frozenlock

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Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:27:56 PM

Quote from: Frozenlock on July 03, 2013, 01:20:29 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:17:22 PM

Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts.

I see how I can buy, not how I can short...

Account min was wrong above:
Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000.
Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000

If you want to short, call them up.

Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate.

Again, I saw that, but I still don't see if they offer any kind of shorting.

Its About Sharing

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Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:21:27 PM

Quote from: gandhibt on July 03, 2013, 01:16:31 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:11:02 PM

Keep in mind that there are ETF's and BTC lenders now.
So, Bitcoins can be borrowed and sold short in a numerous ways.
And...
It is a currency according to FinCEN.... so...
The Federal Reserve is within its charter to manipulate it, and with a tiny fraction of one day's money creation, put the price wherever it wants, 50, 5, 500, 50,000. Whatever suits them, at will, whenever they like. And they can do it with their reserve banking partners, with as many billions of fiat as they need.

Enter the leviathan, whales beware.

Any facts to back up your bullshit? If they buy the price to $50000 I think I'll be maybe selling...

More likely they will do what they did with gold. Though that was more expensive. They dumped about $28billion in a single block trade to break the market down, with an immediate loss of over $1B on the gap down in April.

Well, I think he is saying how will they acquire the BTC. I imagine trade hill and other methods will suffice. But that will only work for a period of time. They can probably keep BTC volatile if need be but I'm sure we will adapt to that as well, we will have to. In a sense, the long term success of BTC depends on the failure of other currencies. By success I mean fully, not just as an online payment method but also a store of value. With the limited float as more and more people acquire it the price will just go higher and higher and the volatility, though it can remain, will shift to much much higher prices. Things like a moderate sized country or the like using it will just add to the strength. I'm sure we have a "fight" ahead of us though...

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Big guys made some panic, now we go up. Best way to hedge against future falls of btc - ASICMINER-PT as always Grin

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Quote from: Frozenlock on July 03, 2013, 01:20:29 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:17:22 PM

Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts.

I see how I can buy, not how I can short...

Account min was wrong above:
Minimum Account size with EXANTE EUR 100,000.
Minimum Bitcoin Fund transaction size EUR 10,000

If you want to short, call them up.

Or you can do it the penny-ante way and borrow from coinlenders at a high rate.

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Quote from: fr33d0miz3r on July 03, 2013, 01:18:39 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 03, 2013, 01:13:59 PM

I bought late last night, and now i wake up to cheaper coins! Grin

yup going to buy some more!

I love down trends

We are going down to $180? Grin

yes!

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Quote from: Richy_T on July 03, 2013, 01:20:48 PM

Quote from: Jozzaboy on July 03, 2013, 12:48:54 PM

Quote from: sarc on July 03, 2013, 12:44:18 PM

..

by the way, I love how your picture is so perfectly in tune with your forum personality.

Shit... that is a picture of me on Galveston beach. What exactly are you trying to say here chief?? Roll Eyes

Reminds me vaguely of this:

Well, I recently bought a convertible with a supercharged V8 so yeah... no hair gel required when I can do 180 mph hahahaha

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NewLiberty

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Quote from: gandhibt on July 03, 2013, 01:16:31 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:11:02 PM

Keep in mind that there are ETF's and BTC lenders now.
So, Bitcoins can be borrowed and sold short in a numerous ways.
And...
It is a currency according to FinCEN.... so...
The Federal Reserve is within its charter to manipulate it, and with a tiny fraction of one day's money creation, put the price wherever it wants, 50, 5, 500, 50,000. Whatever suits them, at will, whenever they like. And they can do it with their reserve banking partners, with as many billions of fiat as they need.

Enter the leviathan, whales beware.

Any facts to back up your bullshit? If they buy the price to $50000 I think I'll be maybe selling...

More likely they will do what they did with gold. Though that was more expensive. They dumped about $28billion in a single block trade to break the market down, with an immediate loss of over $1B on the gap down in April.

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Quote from: Jozzaboy on July 03, 2013, 12:48:54 PM

Quote from: sarc on July 03, 2013, 12:44:18 PM

..

by the way, I love how your picture is so perfectly in tune with your forum personality.

Shit... that is a picture of me on Galveston beach. What exactly are you trying to say here chief?? Roll Eyes

Reminds me vaguely of this:

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Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:17:22 PM

Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts.

I see how I can buy, not how I can short...

Jozzaboy

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Quote from: fr33d0miz3r on July 03, 2013, 01:18:39 PM

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 03, 2013, 01:13:59 PM

I bought late last night, and now i wake up to cheaper coins! Grin

yup going to buy some more!

I love down trends

We are going down to $180? Grin

Adam, how many business days??

fr33d0miz3r

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Quote from: adamstgBit on July 03, 2013, 01:13:59 PM

I bought late last night, and now i wake up to cheaper coins! Grin

yup going to buy some more!

I love down trends

We are going down to $180? Grin

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A Top Web 3 Gaming Layer2 Provider

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 03, 2013, 01:13:59 PM

I bought late last night, and now i wake up to cheaper coins! Grin

yup going to buy some more!

I love down trends

I call it optimism Grin

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Quote from: Frozenlock on July 03, 2013, 01:13:27 PM

Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:11:02 PM

Keep in mind that there are ETF's and BTC lenders now.
So, Bitcoins can be borrowed and sold short in a numerous ways.

Ok, say I want to short more than 1k BTC, where do I go?

Today you can go to http://bitcoinfund.eu/ Account minimum is US$1Mil, though they are reputedly lowering it for Bitcoin only accounts.

Frozenlock

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I see a bulls gathering.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-am-fucking-panicking-249261

I knew there was still plenty of bulls.

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Quote from: NewLiberty on July 03, 2013, 01:11:02 PM

Keep in mind that there are ETF's and BTC lenders now.
So, Bitcoins can be borrowed and sold short in a numerous ways.
And...
It is a currency according to FinCEN.... so...
The Federal Reserve is within its charter to manipulate it, and with a tiny fraction of one day's money creation, put the price wherever it wants, 50, 5, 500, 50,000. Whatever suits them, at will, whenever they like. And they can do it with their reserve banking partners, with as many billions of fiat as they need.

Enter the leviathan, whales beware.

Any facts to back up your bullshit? If they buy the price to $50000 I think I'll be maybe selling...

adamstgBit

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Trusted Bitcoiner

I bought late last night, and now i wake up to cheaper coins! Grin

yup going to buy some more!

I love down trends

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