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This is like when you fall asleep in front of the tv and your dreams start going on along with whatever's on.

And using a last resort nuclear financial option has a lot to do with reality? Logic being taking someones money and bringing financial collapse is not a declaration of war? Kinda weak if that's the best we're playing with

Interesting points, and from what I gather you prefer peace over war (at least as the end goal).

Peace usually starts with ceasefire, then negotiations, and finally compromise, that's pretty much it.

With an objective mainstream media who cared about human life we would read news about every attempt to negotiate a way out of the war, there would be priority on peaceful means to end it, instead we have a bloodthirsty corporate sponsored media which fuels the fire by posting news about war heroes, old ladies learning how to use an ak47, news about sending weapons with a super positive spin, encouraging aggression at every chance possible, eventually people reading this shit start doing the same thing.

Doomsday clock moves to one min to midnight, EU starts a meeting on whether they can hold the funds at the direct risk of a nuclear war at T- 7days. With every passing day price of ammo, guns, gold, bitcoin skyrockets, and all of the currencies collapse. Welcome to Madmax 2022

Madman playing chicken with everyone's lives, seeing who blinks first. Thats where millions years of evolution got us.

As we've seen recently and not just recently, things Putin says have little to do with reality. He may launch or not launch the nukes for any reason or no reason at all. Trying to appease him, or to guess what he'll do next - doesn't work.

I wasn't talking about the nuke odds, only about the odds of uniting for or against Putin if the situation in Russia gets really dire.

As we've seen recently and not just recently, things Putin says have little to do with reality. He may launch or not launch the nukes for any reason or no reason at all. Trying to appease him, or to guess what he'll do next - doesn't work.

Ok so we got the odds, now on to figuring out the prize. Upside is easy, Putin is toppled Russia is a shithole. But downside is...nuclear war? The best our diplomacy can come up with is lets use a nuclear financial option on a 69yr Putin, and hope really hard he doesn't take it as a declaration of war as he said he would?

I am not going to proclaim to really know what is going on, even though I have heard that both that Putin was the aggressor, and I also heard that Putin had the right to go into Ukraine because there had been infringement upon the security cushion of his country.

The evidence does seem to favor that Putin has been going in and taking over various places, so how does anyone advocate for peace if that kind of conduct keeps happening.  I think that part of the fear would be that if you just give up and allow him to do what he wants (such as taking over Ukraine), he is not going to stop there, right?...

We could say, from here on out, we want peace, yet even if we take this to a personal level, we could be kumbaya in our regular lives, but if people figure out that you are not going to fight, there are people who are going to take advantage of that... peace is not an easy thing to achieve because there are a lot of injustices in the world and even perceptions of injustices, so in that regard, sometimes the "have nots" are going to perceive that it is NOT to their advantage to play by the rules... and in that regard, they are going to perceive that it is to their advantage to use NON-peaceful tactics.. whether talking at the individual level or extrapolating out at larger levels whether institutions or governments.

People do not even necessarily agree about aspects of the new world order or too much coordination between governments because there are thoughts that rules should be establish moreso on a local level... so in that regard, there can be pretty large differences of opinion regarding what the rules should be and in that same regard, some folks are not going to concede to peaceful means in giving way to which rules dominate.. so in that regard, do we just proclaim that ONLY peaceful means are acceptable and the peaceful proponents are likely going to end up getting beat up and bullied by those who do not believe in playing under those peaceful proponent rules (except maybe merely to feign their tactics)...

TDLR: Lovey dovey goals of peace are likely easier said than done.. and you may well get fucked if you do not prepare for more aggressive tactics from opponents who might be wanting to gain value by other than peaceful means.  In other words, probably the overwhelming majority already agree that peace might be the end-goal, but might not consider peace as a realistic way of approaching what is perceived as a bully on the other side.. and perhaps both sides perceive the other side as the bully/instigator/aggressor...  

Quite the contrary, uniting against Putin and his cronies is a better outcome for everyone involved. The odds of that are probably higher than the other way round, because the lies from Kremlin are already outrageous and will have to get even more blatant if they try to keep the lid on it.

Of course Soviets were able to sustain the lying for 70 years but they didn't have the intertubes.

Right, nice, so going all in on a hope that their total financial collapse would divide Russians instead of uniting them. Where do you put the odds at?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all assholes.

As soon the nuclear missile will be fired, the same second bitcoin will reach the all time high. If somehow, there is no more war, bitcoin still move to all time high from here.