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Old Trudeau is a bit of a fuckface isn't he?
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"Hey you with that truck over there honking all the time, you are a terrorist so I'm taking your Bitcoin."  Roll Eyes
Just another politician who shows his true colors when people disagree with them.

Or as I read elsewhere: If you manage to piss off Canadians, you know you fucked up big!

Politicians nowadays are starting to show their true form who are starting to suck the blood of their own people no matter what, the Trudeau government has ordered banks to cut funds to the protesters and it's the same as starving the people, I think it's not wrong if Elon Musk compares Trudeau behavior with the government Hitler in the nazi era in his tweets.



It's not like the world already knows about emergency powers, and what it means.
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Old Trudeau is a bit of a fuckface isn't he?
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"Hey you with that truck over there honking all the time, you are a terrorist so I'm taking your Bitcoin."  Roll Eyes
Just another politician who shows his true colors when people disagree with them.

Or as I read elsewhere: If you manage to piss off Canadians, you know you fucked up big!

Politicians nowadays are starting to show their true form who are starting to suck the blood of their own people no matter what, the Trudeau government has ordered banks to cut funds to the protesters and it's the same as starving the people, I think it's not wrong if Elon Musk compares Trudeau behavior with the government Hitler in the nazi era in his tweets.

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.... Hint: freedom doesn't look like wall-to-wall surveillance, propaganda, lies, riot cops in jackboots and balaclavas, secret contracts between multinational corps and govt, banks doing law enforcement .... these are traits of facist totalitarianism, unholy marriage of power between big corporations and big govt

I have heard some folks denigrate protest on one side versus applauding protests on another side - and the existence of riot cops does seem to be an ambiguous thing - because I cannot really blame status quo officials from striving to engage in some combating of protests and to label protests as something other than what they are.. sometimes protests become too powerful too.. so the use of trucks may or may not be legitimate, but you can appreciate the obstacles that such largess presents towards any government that might attempt to control such.

By the way, bitcoin can help us in these regards, but cannot necessarily fix matters when people are not sufficiently practiced in how to use it effectively.. so anyone can make mistakes, even very smart people.. and when those smart people are known.. they become actual targets that may well not be ready, willing and able to sacrifice their lil selfies for the cause... even if they say that they are willing.. it's not easy for someone who might be in his/her late 20s or early 30s to become willing to get locked up "out of principle."

We are not even going to necessarily agree with some of the substantive issues of some of the protests.. even though there is a lot of legitimacy that those kinds of dynamics can and should exist in "free" societies.. and this imagination of the government disappearing or everyone getting an island or a citadel is just not realistic.. there has to be some governance of public goods/services.. and part of the messy part is that we might not even be able to get two people to completely agree, so in some sense, some of the actual implementations of public goods/services policies/procedures/laws are going to end up having a lot of compromises... and hopefully somewhat representative of the overall population preferences rather than getting diverted into too much weight going to small groups that end up not really representing the overall better way of going forward involving not everyone getting their way..and maybe the structure ends up somewhat in order to NOT infringe too much either...  but not forgetting about providing opportunities for normies and maybe some folks who seem undeserving, too.

Agreed. Protests CAN work, if the goal of the protesters is reasonable/just and true democracy is allowed to prevail.

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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!

Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.


Not really. When you combine inputs you make the source indeterminate. Coins may taint coins they're mixed with if you want to take that view but that's something different.

I appreciate the nuance.
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.


Not really. When you combine inputs you make the source indeterminate. Coins may taint coins they're mixed with if you want to take that view but that's something different.
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Old Trudeau is a bit of a fuckface isn't he?
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"Hey you with that truck over there honking all the time, you are a terrorist so I'm taking your Bitcoin."  Roll Eyes
Just another politician who shows his true colors when people disagree with them.

Or as I read elsewhere: If you manage to piss off Canadians, you know you fucked up big!
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
Bitcoin is really something Unique (more than any NFT), although it is fungible.

Actually, since it's pseudo-anonymous, Bitcoin is not really (100%) fungible...

I will expand on this because the sooner we Bitcoin folk get our heads around this the better.

Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Before you get all mad at me, and Batslap me... I am NOT making a case for a shitcoin.  I am just being honest about a feature of bitcoin that we need to come to grips with, and the sooner we do the better.

The FBI, for example seems to have figured this out.  https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/fbi-forms-new-bitcoin-unit-as-doj-taps-new-crypto-head

Bitcoin is a completely open book.  This is a tradeoff that Satoshi realized the downside of fairly early as he talked about address reuse.  And as we cheer the world waking up to what bitcoin is in the wake of the bank account seizures we also have to see that the satoshis donated to the protesters recently have mostly been flagged, and it will have created a challenge for the users to deal with.

So, there is the growing school of people that preach an amazingly difficult sort of privacy hygiene for Bitcoin, and it surprises me that these folks do not see that they are essentially just making their coins ready for a "list".  We are already seeing exchanges treat these coins differently.  Accounts get closed, and transactions are refused.  Plus the trouble to which one must go to keep their Bitcoin private is beyond the skill level of even very technically adept people.  It is unrealistic to "make every transaction a coinjoin" currently.  This is ON TOP of the fact that it also might be a bad idea.

And frankly the idea that we can add enough privacy features to bitcoin at this point is VERY dubious in my opinion.  There are certainly some ways it can be done...  BIP 47 is a HUGE improvement, and I hope we see that implemented more widely (currently only as PayNyms in Samourai), and layer 2+ can be built to be much more private.  Liquid for example has some of Monero's mojo in it.

Anyway.  I think this needs to be a much wider discussion in the Bitcoin community since we are already seeing government organizations use bitcoins transparency, and they are only going to get better at it.

Ultimately Bitcoin's fungibility is as good as we make it as the users.  Do we care about what satoshis we are paid with?  I think that is part of the answer...  I just don't know how we all get there.  It's an interesting problem.
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Well I didn't expect Trudeau and Canada to be one of the ignition sparks. It's almost as if everything we see happening, everywhere, all the time - is bullish for bitcoin. And people are beginning to see why.

#BitcoinFixesThat
It's just the coming attack from what used to be "western democracies" that leave the big glaring question mark.  We could be in for some rough waters...  

Kanye sees part of it...



^ that guy knows stuff.. that Kane guy.  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

I pulled all my sh!tcoins out of the exchanges. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Bitcoin is really something Unique (more than any NFT), although it is fungible.

Actually, since it's pseudo-anonymous, Bitcoin is not really (100%) fungible...
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Should not be comparing NFTs to bitcoin except that bitcoin is likely the ONLY NFT that matters.. each satoshi is its own unique snowflake.... and confirmed on an actual blockchain that cannot be fucked with.

This is an interesting concept.

Bitcoin is really something Unique (more than any NFT), although it is fungible.

For some time I have been thinking whether we will have NFTs on bitcoin blockchain one day. I believe NFT will definitely have a role to play in the future (specially in games, maybe even in some other killer app), and the most valuable blockchain is bitcoin's (so, the best blockchain to have an NFT).

Just like we have tokens (USDT) in bitcoin's blockchain, maybe in the future we can have an NFT.
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I gave up using LOOP (too expensive) and circular rebalance (too unreliable), and have found that setting default or low fees works as a good "organic" way of tempting transactions to route your way. Once you see activity, and liquidity starting to empty out your way, start cranking your rates.

My strategy of setting stupid low fee's to regain drained liquidity back to my end is proving problematic with popular sites like ln.nicehash - Can't seem to get it more than ~250,000 sats stabilized on my end before 10k sat transactions start wiping it out again back towards empty.

Thanks, that's some great advice. I tried this channel fee strategy yesterday and raised the fees on my drained channels, but I haven't seen any activity since. Although, it seems like my drained channels are like the problematic ones you described (nicehash and bitfinex).

I also tried lnd-rebalance (https://github.com/C-Otto/rebalance-lnd) yesterday. Definitely a better option for circular rebalance than e.g. RTL. Basically, what I does is, it will only rebalance if the cost is less than the future profits, and it will automatically keep searching for a route until it find one that is. E.g. if I want to rebalance 500k sats to a channel with 200 ppm, my future profit for that is 100 sats (500k*200ppm). Then it will only rebalance if it finds a route that cost less than 100 sats to do so.
 
Oh well, first of all I need to open more channels and also get some more inbound liquidity. I currently only have 6 channels with a total of 18M sendable and 12M receivable sats. Time to send some more sats to my node.

EDIT: Rebooted after adjusting the following in my lnd.conf

minchansize=5000000
bitcoin.basefee=1000
bitcoin.feerate=100
bitcoin.timelockdelta=18

I did a somewhat pricey mistake yesterday. My default rate for new channels are 1/1. I opened a 5M channel to bfx and left home shortly after, while the channel was still pending. Later when I came home the channel was open and completely drained, but I had only gained like 50 sats for all that routing.

keep feeding info on this.

it is looking like bots are running channels and looking for nodes to exploit (just a guess)

if true running a node with manual inputs we me hard to make work out well.
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I gave up using LOOP (too expensive) and circular rebalance (too unreliable), and have found that setting default or low fees works as a good "organic" way of tempting transactions to route your way. Once you see activity, and liquidity starting to empty out your way, start cranking your rates.

My strategy of setting stupid low fee's to regain drained liquidity back to my end is proving problematic with popular sites like ln.nicehash - Can't seem to get it more than ~250,000 sats stabilized on my end before 10k sat transactions start wiping it out again back towards empty.

Thanks, that's some great advice. I tried this channel fee strategy yesterday and raised the fees on my drained channels, but I haven't seen any activity since. Although, it seems like my drained channels are like the problematic ones you described (nicehash and bitfinex).

I also tried lnd-rebalance (https://github.com/C-Otto/rebalance-lnd) yesterday. Definitely a better option for circular rebalance than e.g. RTL. Basically, what I does is, it will only rebalance if the cost is less than the future profits, and it will automatically keep searching for a route until it find one that is. E.g. if I want to rebalance 500k sats to a channel with 200 ppm, my future profit for that is 100 sats (500k*200ppm). Then it will only rebalance if it finds a route that cost less than 100 sats to do so.
 
Oh well, first of all I need to open more channels and also get some more inbound liquidity. I currently only have 6 channels with a total of 18M sendable and 12M receivable sats. Time to send some more sats to my node.

EDIT: Rebooted after adjusting the following in my lnd.conf

minchansize=5000000
bitcoin.basefee=1000
bitcoin.feerate=100
bitcoin.timelockdelta=18

I did a somewhat pricey mistake yesterday. My default rate for new channels are 1/1. I opened a 5M channel to bfx and left home shortly after, while the channel was still pending. Later when I came home the channel was open and completely drained, but I had only gained like 50 sats for all that routing.
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