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"It's going up forever, Laura!" and the futility of Bitcoin day-trading

[This started as a one-paragraph reply to one of Jay's posts, but it grew uncontrollably, so I decided to post it on its own.]

As with any non-deterministic variable, Bitcoin price is volatile. And volatility means ups and downs. What many people fail to realize is that these short-term ups and downs are actually noise. Maybe not white noise, it's almost always tainted by various events like Elon's tweets, China's bans, futures' expiry dates and a million other things, but it's still essentially noise. And noise is a random process (i.e., a "roll of a dice" case, albeit a loaded dice at times). Would anyone in their right mind bet their Bitcoin stash on the roll of a dice? Would that really be a viable long-term winning strategy?

Short-term Bitcoin price action is noise (i.e., unpredictable in any practical sense), and yet there are day-traders ("daytarders", as I like to call them), who try to predict short-term price movement using all sorts of fancy tools and techniques, hoping to catch the market and make a profit. To me, it all feels like those mad "scientists", usually of poor theoretical scientific background, desperately trying to build a perpetual motion machine by using elaborate, complex contraptions, while the laws of thermodynamics explicitly state that this is not possible. To me, consistently profitable Bitcoin day-trading is almost as futile as trying to build a perpetual motion machine.

But the big question is this: why worry about the short-term volatility, when we can predict the long-term trend with pretty good accuracy? Long-term price action is much less noise and much more math and science, as has been repeatedly pointed out by Bitcoin advocates such as Andreas Antonopoulos, and as can be clearly seen by studying the protocol itself. Saylor has been screaming about it for some time now, I wonder how many understand him. Money is energy. Monetary energy. The laws of thermodynamics state that energy is conserved. You cannot have a working system when you have an energy leak. And what do banks of the fiat system do? They introduce leaks into their own monetary system "by design" (they call it inflation), and subsequently dilute their monetary units (fiat currencies) by having their money printers go brrrrrrrrrr... That's some "perpetual money machine" to the untrained eye, except that there's nothing perpetual about it. It's actually dissipative, repeatedly diluting and dissipating our wealth into piles of fiat paper money that are worth less and less each day goes by. This is the laws of thermodynamics in action, proving once more that "there is no free lunch" in the universe.

Bitcoin is the one and only monetary network in the history of mankind, which respects the laws of thermodynamics, as they pertain to monetary energy. But wait! Has this all become too complex? Is there too much math & science involved? Is there some complex equation we should all learn and understand? How about 1 BTC = 1 BTC? Is this simple enough? This, and the fact that there will only be at most 21,000,000 BTC in existence, ever. An equation and an upper bound -- these are the only two things necessary to predict the future behavior of this system. This is possible because it is a thermodynamically closed system. This has nothing to do with volatility, but with the long-term trend. It's like filtering out the noise and observing the resulting smooth, clean, upward curve. This is what the moving-average indicators do, which I consider about the only meaningful metrics when it comes to Bitcoin trend analysis.

As Saylor puts it: "It's a gift. Once in a thousand years do you actually see the invention of a fundamentally new thing, this is our once in a thousand years opportunity. You get to buy into it early, what would it be like if you owned 10% of all the electricity that's ever going to be pumped, or what if you could buy 1% of all the running water that's ever going to be pumped? That's what this is, it's 1% of all the fire that's ever going to be lit. You have a chance to buy a percentage of the future. Seems like a no-brainer to me."

"It's going up forever, Laura!" That's the only thing anyone really needs to know about Bitcoin.

Great post.  My favorite thing in that clip is when Saylor asks if you were able to would you buy 1% of all the fire, or all the water that would be pumped.  He is framing The Bitcoin Network correctly when he does that.  He realizes that RIGHT NOW he is able to buy 1% of the TOTAL base asset traded on what will be the Earth's primary monetary network, an invention as important as fire.  He has made his fortune by being able to see the really big shifts in the technological landscape and putting his money directly into those things.  And he has realized that NOTHING he has seen in his WHOLE LIFE is even CLOSE to the magnitude of this nascent network. 

Even the internet and the pocket super computer.  Which are the inventions that made him the fortune that allowed him to leapfrog all us early bitcoinners and become one of the richest humans in history (not yet, but he will be).

This is also why I will STILL risk my reputation and say that the "supercycle" is still in play.  In that clip he says he does not expect an 80% drawdown.  And I still agree with him.  I would imagine the short sighted Shin has already baked herself a cake after the 55% drop we HAVE seen.  I am sure in her mind that proved the validity of her question.  And I suppose it sort of did, though it did not invalidate Saylor's answer at all.  As you put it "Who in their right mind would roll the dice with their Bitcoin?"  Many have, and the battlefield is littered with the corpses, and scratched up lambos.

But I still see this pullback of the most recent breathtaking bull run as the first HUGE wave of a continuing series of waves on the ascent that we have all dreamed about.

Why the HELL are we still asking "Wen Moon"?  Are we THAT greedy?  Maybe a little.  But also we all know we still have not seen it yet.  Bitcoin WILL find a fairly stable price in our lifetimes.  And that will involve a very violent series of moves up in value.  We have not seen that really complete yet.

But we are about to. 

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That's true. It has been in that range since last week.

More like almost 6 weeks since May 19th.
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Bitcoin Bottom was at $15.4k
If government clears out all the FUD and make it a clean way, I am sure this value of investment will be x10 the current investment in Crypto.

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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
Dancing around OPsec, but once we are able to reach a certain number of coins, sure we can spend and shave off from some of those coins along the way, but at the same time, each of us should attempt to establish the hanging onto a certain number of coins too.  

I will say even for myself, I have had some times in which mistakes were made - but I have retained some ongoing efforts to attempt to hang onto a certain number of coins (and sure that number of coins that I have been striving to hang onto has been adjusted through time), and a lot of this also brings us back to Gresham's law considerations, and if we are keeping some value in other kinds of assets (presumptively some of that is liquid, such as cash), then we should be attempting to figure out ways to spend from the other assets before spending from our bitcoin stash, especially when we seem to be in a dippening kind of stage..

Of course, if BTC prices are in an upwards and exponential price rise period, we might be able to carry ourselves a bit more like drunken sailors and perhaps end up spending a bit more of our BTC stash up to amounts that are within our consideration of how many coins that we are ok. with shaving off before going back to spending our less valuable assets/currencies such as cash.

pretty much as you say.

but there can come a time when you absolutely need some most or even ALL your corn sold. dont even feel bad about it. be thankful you have it. beads crushing debt, hospital bill that will send you to section 8 housing.

never sell btc unless its for funzies (ie  you have plenty of corn. maybe even look to replace that btc with fiat if it drops but dont depend on it. and usually i dont ever bother to re buy back on dips depending on what my reserves look like - although i do on occasion. frex last year i found the need started to keep a large cash position that i have on the "DONT MOVE THIS FIAT" account. and yes the emergency account that ONLY is used for that. i have kept as much as 3 years worth at the current burn rate (that burn rate does not include traditional regular income from ETF etc) on fiat in there. plus the regular burn rate is in large part covered my my tradition stuff.. 401s, etf, stocks, so even if btc crated tomorrow i *should* bbe set.

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Ripe for a fall... Hopefully, no news shakes it off.




No time to breath I guess. They playing their own pump and dump between 30 and 40k. Let em exhaust themselves and we keep going up in September.
That's true. It has been in that range since last week.
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No time to breath I guess. They playing their own pump and dump between 30 and 40k. Let em exhaust themselves and we keep going up in September.
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blocks the rebound shot !

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someone else block him at 7!
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What a dirty game from the Portugese, referees missed out a lot, belgian players got injured.... what a team of butchers...

Glad Netherlands is out of the tournament they deserved it. I hope they will ditch the coach asap before next year's world cup in Qatar.

Next game Belgium vs Portugal. Go Belgium!



I hope so bro….. I hope so …. Watching the game

Though Holland should scored that goal, 2 min later red card, gliding De Ligt
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