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Buy the dip



Thanks, two years ago i had my vasectomy which cost me $600.
Now you basically told me i could have bought the 2019 Dip with $70k instead...  Roll Eyes

EDIT: I just wanted to tell you guys, i had to sell (less than 1% of my stash) to be able to pay my new doors for the house extension, almost exactly at trend reversal.
I knew this. I just had no choice. NOT a Mindrust event.
I wish they could have delivered the doors with one or two weeks of delay  Angry
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The correction is overdone. BTC is entering in Bullish zone now as reflected on Technical charts. We will see huge rally  in coming weeks.




https://mobile.twitter.com/TheMoonCarl/status/1396565333306134528
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What an exciting time to be alive!  As history is written the people witnessing the world change have an entirely different vantage than the generations that come after and can piece it all together neatly and succinctly.   But they will call us lucky.

Indeed. An excellent post. Thanks for taking the time to write this.
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This thread is about observing walls but is entertaining and a bit sad there are even legendary members that still don't seem to get it, selling bitcoin for fiat. That sugar rush of a few extra dollars gained will soon fade while the pain of not having bitcoins will last and increase forever.

Seems a bit of a strong statement to presume that guys need to be focusing ONLY on bitcoin when not only do we live in a fiat dominated world, there are all kinds of timeline and individualistic considerations, too.

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Not really the walls I was referring to even though your walls of text JJG have become part of the observing of walls.

Nothing wrong with diversifying into other dividend producing, or life improving, assets. Or even just for having some spending money. Selling bitcoin for fiat though, just because, makes no sense to me. Even less so boasting about it in this place. Those who do clearly have not grasped yet what they had in their hands and gave away for something that can be printed out of thin air. Still a fiat mindset.

However indeed no need for me or yourself to lecture anyone. Bitcoin does and will do that all by itself just fine.
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31100 -> 37500 (+6400) in 24 hours, not bad.

Another leg down is setting up right now. The bitcoin price won't be able to sustain itself above $35k for 10 consecutive days.
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@Arrie:

About 3D printers, you've already got some good info from fellow WOers. If possible, get a printer with two Z-axis lead screws, not with only one screw that's positioned on the side of the bed. Also, if possible, get one with automatic bed levelling. This will get your printer as close as possible to a plug-and-play device.

I read you're the kind of person that doesn't want to DIY stuff. In that case, I fully recommend the Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ (pre-built). You can't go wrong with a Prusa at an affordable price point.

If you want to use more exotic materials, dimensional accuracy, end-use parts, engineering work, go for an Ultimaker (the dual extruder models like the S3 or the S5 for larger build volume). Expensive, but well worth it. A workhorse that will give you consistent results for years, whereas the cheaper ones will noticeably degrade over time.

I've been using 3D printers at work and personally since 2019. Now, I simply cannot survive without a 3D printer. I feel almost like a small god that can create anything at will. I rarely, if ever, print ready-made objects. I design everything myself using Autodesk Inventor (this s/w is even more amazing than any 3D printer can ever be). This is when a 3D printer truly shines. If you just download and print, it will get boring pretty quickly, and you will soon abandon the sport.

My 2 sats.
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Alts pumping hard. Is this trustable or a trap and we see it bleed out tomorrow again.

Yesterday I checked for the new Mercedes C AMG Cabrio 2021. Affordable nice car. But after checking my wallet I cancelled that thought  Cheesy

This dump teached me one thing. Take fucking profits. Since 2013 I never took a single cent of profit. Unfortunately the greed in the brain gets out of control during pumps. You say "just a bit more just a bit more it's going to 6 digits for sure just be patient" and then you watch your portfolio dumping down 50%+. Cashing out 10% at 60k would have given me better sleep the last 3 nights.

That's what I have been talking about for years.  Of course, you should not be cashing out too much, but you should be attempting to figure out various price points along the way.. whether that is 2x, 5x, 10x, 50x or whatever.  Something.

This dump teached me one thing. Take fucking profits. Since 2013 I never took a single cent of profit.
Last December I sold a significant part (so I don't risk paying taxes over a high value when it's not worth it anymore if Bitcoin drops). I could have sold 3-4 times higher a few months later. But (afterwards) this made me realize I sold around the value of the previous (2017) peak, and what you're saying sounds the same: you didn't want to sell at $60k, but dropping to $30k makes you want to sell at $60k. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but to me it felt a bit like I fell for it.

I always recommend taking a little off the top.
That's what I did in 2017: every time it went up x percent, I sold a tiny bit. Then mostly stopped selling until December 2020. This year, I didn't continue selling a tiny bit because I felt like I sold too much in December already.

This post demonstrates the need to tweak from time to time and to reconsider and try to find some kind of balance that feels comfortable and is acceptable.

Of course, finding a perfect balance might not be exactly possible, and people will also have tendencies to second guess themselves after seeing how the market subsequently moved.. but still even if we attempt to learn from that, many of us realize that we should be attempting to not kick ourselves over such prior decisions (and actions) and thereafter see if in the present time there might be ways that we can deal with what we got and even sometimes make up for some of our having had overdone it in the past in one direction or another.
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Here comes a cAPSLOCK Saturday LONG POST.  Maybe too long?  So long it took 2 extra days and 3 extra pots of coffee:



A Tale of Two Networks

Our generation has the unique honor to be alive to witness the formation of an important new global network.  Counter-intuitively this network may be more important than some of the world changing technologies that are required for it to exist.  The Bitcoin network can be considered a child of the Internet, and even though the Internet is the primary domain of the Bitcoin network, I believe the latter may have a significantly deeper impact on the direction of humanity. This is because money is such a fundamental and important idea. And sound, fair money is not something the world has really seen for most of our lifetimes.  I would propose the last discovery that humankind has made with this level of impact might have been the electric power grid which brought us, light, warmth, and the energy to do countless things that were either impossible or difficult before.

Power to the People

Yep... I called the worldwide electric power grid a “discovery”.  The reason I say we discovered this is because all the constituent parts used to become this network existed before we built it.  Electrons, copper wire, transformers, alternating current are all prior discoveries that we combined into a novel whole we could benefit from.  We take it from granted now.  But the choices and tradeoffs made as it was established and evolved are necessary for it to operate as it does today.

The relationship between Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison around the dawn of the 20th century is well known.  The two brilliant men fought “The War of Currents” in which each argued a different fundamental choice for the way electricity would be transmitted.  This topic is a wonderful story all it’s own, but the bottom line is Tesla's more complex, but efficient system ended up winning against Edison's simpler, but less feasible system.  And nearly the entire world now works the way Nikola Tesla envisioned.  We take it for granted now, but this decision for the world’s power grids to be built using an AC system took several years and was hard fought in the public arena.  The tradeoffs in Tesla's vision were superior to those in Edison’s.

Similarly, we are living through the time in which the world’s monetary transmission system is being built.  And the fog is only beginning to clear in the arena of ideas.  But IMPORTANT choices for certain tradeoffs have been made without which we would not have the properties we need to build something that will someday be as large and influential on the prosperity of the world as the power grid has been. 

A Square Deal


I still hold a peculiar delight around an idea I learned as a child.  In elementary geometry I learned what a rectangle is.  It is an object with four straight sides and four 90° angles.  A square is a special kind of rectangle with all 4 sides being equal lengths.  We can consider a square to be a specific sort of rectangle.  There is a hierarchy of ideas. The phrase that stuck with me is:

A square is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square.   

In the realm of ideas, we have learned to classify things, and there is an order in which it works.  This is because there is an order in which the universe works.  We do not create the order, but discover it.

All of this is sort of arbitrary in that we are talking about abstractions describing the nature of the universe.  And the grand archetype of the square, and it’s ancestor, the rectangle existed before mankind.  And our descriptions and names for the ideas do not change them at all but allow us to understand them.  Is Pluto a planet, or not?  I would submit Pluto does not give a shit.

Which Way, Young Bitcoin?

Satoshi did not invent any of the constituent parts of the Bitcoin network except possibly blockchain, and even that was posited earlier by David Chaum.  Cryptographic primitives,  proof of work, and networking were all parts he combined to make Bitcoin.  The COMBINATION is novel, not the parts.  Even the concept of blockchain is just a combination of ideas that previously existed. Databases, time stamping, and cryptographic functions.

Bitcoin contains two great novel discoveries in the arrangement of its preexisting pieces and parts:  A way to implement digital scarcity, and a way to agree on a record without a central authority.

Number nine? Number nine?

The first part is groundbreaking all on it’s own.  An interesting issue with the digital space bounded by computers is the fact that any data can be effortlessly copied.  This has been a nightmare for the music industry.  How can you restrict people from copying an idea that is owned by someone else when that idea can be represented by just a long number? As much as I am tempted to go on a sidetrack on the idea of “intellectual property”, I will not... too much!

Bitcoin is the first digital good that cannot be copied.  Here is a very basic description of the way this works.  We pick a secret number from a set of numbers. Addresses are derived from that secret number.  Importantly, no one can use those addresses to reverse engineer our secret number. Bitcoin can be moved around between the public addresses by signing transactions with the secret number.

The reason you cannot copy a bitcoin is the same reason you cannot copy the number NINE.  There is only one number 9.  Satoshi used existing cryptography for us to move value around between public addresses that are controlled by a single individual number.  That is how it works.  It works on the universal principle that there is only one of each number. 

Once you get your head around this, the first question that comes to mind is: Well, would it not then be possible for two people to pick the same secret number?  And the answer is YES it is 100% possible.  But it is also practically impossible. The reason for this is we are working with a set of numbers SO LARGE that the chances of two people picking the same number are too small to be practically possible in our lifetimes, even using computers. See http://keys.lol for a delightful demonstration of this principle. 

So, Satoshi figured out a way to use existing cryptography to create digital ownership of certain numbers.  BOOM!  Digital scarcity.

The Mexican Standoff

The second discovery was a way to arrange technology to allow for multiple individuals, even possibly adversarial parties to agree on a shared ledger. For this to be achieved the ledger had to be distributed. If this database was controlled by a single party, or even a small number of parties then the system would not work any differently than what we use today when it comes to money. We would need a single bank, or a federation of banks and would have to trust those parties to always give us the correct data, and never change it.

This is where the design of bitcoin reminds me of “The war of the currents”, and my special rectangle, the square.

This time the argument has been how to use bitcoin’s database the blockchain. The choice the users of Bitcoin have made is to use the blockchain as sparingly as possible so that as many people as possible will continue to run a full node, thereby safeguarding the trust minimization and decentralization needed for Satoshi’s invention to work. Other projects, notably Ethereum as well as certain Bitcoin forks, have made a different trade off, and chosen to use the blockchain to store as much data as the network wants to throw at it.

This is a One Way Street

Many pieces have been written about why a small blockchain is central to the vision of bitcoin surviving. And it is not my purpose here to rehash (haha) that argument.  And many of the ideas presented by large block projects are interesting, and even worth implementation. But because of trust, a monetary BASE layer is not one of them.  I want to point something out that proves the small block and decentralized tradeoff is worth the trouble.

In a way reminiscent of my geometry lesson certain things can only work in one direction.  You CAN build centralized layers of blockchain on top of a decentralized base.  But you CANNOT build a decentralized layer on top of a trusted base.  At least not effectively. Because you will always have trust at the base layer.

A system like Ethereum can be built on a layer atop of Bitcoin, and that database can be anchored cryptographically to the Bitcoin base layer.  Then we get the benefits of the centralizing tradeoffs but still retain the benefits of the trust minimized base!  All the big blocker’s arguments vanish in a puff of universal logic once you realize we can build exactly what they want on top of a sufficiently decentralized base layer.

The Microsoft Digital ID project is a perfect example.  If I understand it correctly it will use a centralized or possibly centralizing database anchored to Bitcoin (although it is built agnostic as to which blockchain and could use Ethereum for example). So not everyone has to keep a full copy of its database, but the project can still inherit the trust minimized advantages of the chain on which it is based.

The liquid network is another great example.  It uses a federated model of block verifiers to gain several advantages such as lower fees and privacy but is again rooted in the DECENTRALIZED base layer of Bitcoin.

And even decentralized layers can be added such as the Lightning network which use a vastly different model for transactions which provides several advantages, but the reason it is decentralized is not only thanks to its design, but also the design of the base layer where it roots the smart contracts (called HTLCs) on which it is founded.

It would do you less good to build a lightning network on top of a centralized and trusted base layer.  Sure, the actions on the second layer could attempt the same exact advantages and even be trust minimized, but the third parties controlling the base layer could still censor the HTLCs thereby wrecking the whole thing.

The Birth of a Network

Only 100 years ago power grids were coming up across the US, and the rest of the world.  People did not need to know how they worked to benefit from light, air conditioning, machines, and all sorts of other inventions that were plugged into the base layer of the power grid. And the decisions needed for all this to work were made correctly.  These decisions power the computers the bitcoin network runs on. They power the ham radios that can broadcast a transmission. The decision to use AC instead of DC enables us to send vast amounts of power over long distances safely, and it is hard to imagine it working another way.

Our children will one day live in a world where they take the base monetary layer for granted.  They might not even know that their digital wallets use something called the BOLT protocol to transmit value with the least amount of trust possible.  And they will take it for granted that the choice for the system to be built on the simplest, most efficient base layer possible was as obvious as it was necessary.

A rectangle is not always a square, and a trust minimized system cannot be effectively run atop a centralized base.

We discover that the universe works certain ways.  We can change the names and classifications of things all we want, but Pluto will keep spinning around out there in the darkness no matter what we call it.  There will only ever be one number nine. And the bitcoin network, if it is successful, will always be decentralized.

What an exciting time to be alive!  As history is written the people witnessing the world change have an entirely different vantage than the generations that come after and can piece it all together neatly and succinctly.   But they will call us lucky.
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On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?

Print sideways? Depends how deep he needs them.

I'd ue my FDM machine for stuff like that though.

Apparently bonsai pots are shallow and wide " to make them look look small trees and not a pot plant"
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31100 -> 37500 (+6400) in 24 hours, not bad.
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On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?

Print sideways? Depends how deep he needs them.

I'd use my FDM machine for stuff like that though.
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Observing 38,109@stamp.

Ark Invest Buys $20 Million Bitcoin

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Ark Invest, a hedge fund focused on innovative developments, has bought $19,872,939 worth of bitcoin according to a filing with the Securities and Exchanges Commission.



After all, it makes sense to BTFD if you think that corn will eventually get to half a million:

Ark Investment’s Cathie Wood Says Bitcoin Will Go to $500,000

Doesn't say their buy price though?  Did they really "buy the dip"  and probably there was a bit of spreading of such buying, especially since from the blurb it appears that such authorized buying came from the funds of 12 of their investors.

i'd be more concerned by the psychological barrier of a price of 500k, who the fuck would buy at this price lol.

A lot of the questions regarding who will buy at higher prices gets answered with the passage of time.

In 2012 when BTC prices were below $10, there were a lot of folks asking who would be buying above $100.. but subsequently people did buy above $100.. and lots of peeps did buy.

In 2015 when BTC prices were around $250, there were a lot of folks asking who would be buying above $3,000.. but subsequently people did buy above $3,000.. and lots of peeps did buy.

In 2019 when BTC prices were below $6,000, there were a lot of folks asking who would be buying above $20,000.. but subsequently people did buy above $20,000.. and lots of peeps did buy.

So, you can draw the line where ever you want, newbie... and as the BTC prices rise, the schelling point also rises.. and the higher prices become the new normal, even though some disgruntled people do get caught in the past regarding peeps who had been able to buy their bitcoin at lower prices, but if you cannot get over your disgruntledness, you will likely either remain a no coiner or a person who is way too underinvested in bitcoin because you are waiting for lower prices that are no longer available once getting into longer periods of adoption and comfort into this thingie that continues to both increase in value, but also more and more normies increasingly recognize the increasing value that it has (except the caught in the past delusional losers.. don't be more of a looser than you already are, lucky enough).

oh and by the way, you know what i think about all those sneaky dickhead investors who supposedly buy in the top of an on going bullrun, they just messing with us to boost the run. I mean no investors in their right mind would do that it's their job to know when to invest, you can bet they bought at 3k and below, it's just common sense.

Snap out of it lucky.  you resentful, bitter and jealous retard.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?
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I'm thinking of buying a 3D printer, and I'm looking at the Anycubic Photon Mono, a resin printer, and maybe a Creality3D Ender-3 V2 for prints that don't need fine details.

I will mostly be printing stuff for model railways in H0 (1:87) scale so the resin printer will be for the small fine detail stuff and the other one for the rest.

They both seems to have good reviews and a reasonable price, do you guys have any comments or experience on these machines that you could kindly share?

Just got an Ender 3d pro here to print some parts and the like for the miners and cars. Overall I am impressed as hell, thoughts:

Get the Pro, it has a really nice magnetic pad so you can peel off parts more easily and a heated bed.
And a better power supply, no issues with this one even when printing all night long.
Buy the $15 extruder upgrade, the plastic one that comes with it is cheap and a metal one is NICE

That's about it. Good quality device for a few hundred bucks....

Thanks for the tips, I will definitely take that into consideration.
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I'm thinking of buying a 3D printer, and I'm looking at the Anycubic Photon Mono, a resin printer, and maybe a Creality3D Ender-3 V2 for prints that don't need fine details.

I will mostly be printing stuff for model railways in H0 (1:87) scale so the resin printer will be for the small fine detail stuff and the other one for the rest.

They both seems to have good reviews and a reasonable price, do you guys have any comments or experience on these machines that you could kindly share?

Pretty serious 3d printing hobbyist here.  Have owned a few machines.  Since you are talking about printing for fine detail the resin printers are going to be a different class.  But since you bring up the Ender for the other stuff, I had to chime in on that sort of printer...

I have heard nothing but super good things about the Creality Ender, and I naturally an uber-cheapskate.  But I went with the Prusa i3, mainly to build it as a project with my daughter.

From my understanding you do not make many compromises for less than 1/3d the price with the Creality.  It is nearly as fine a printer as the i3.

BUT.

It was worth the extra money to behold the feat of engineering that the i3 is.  It is an amazing thing.  Beautiful design.  Really really awesome engineering.  It is built from parts that it has printed.  Joseph Prusa is an eccentric purist visionary and his products reflect it.

Advantages for paying the extra:

you get arguably STILL the best platform for the price range
you get a large passionate community
there are tons of mods and projects aimed at this platform.  I have printed a couple cool drawers for mine.
the raspi integration is cool.
but most of all you BUILD your printer.

That last one is important because no matter what printer you buy you will be needing to understand deeply how it works because these things need adjustment, maintenance and tweaking.  Having built my printer I know it inside and out, and if something acts funny, I know where all the screws are etc.

That said, I might also get an Ender as a second machine... 3d printing is very fun.

Thanks for your input, I don't think building the machine is for me though.
Not that I don't have the skill, I used to work as a technician in my youth, it's more the fact that I have problems finishing what I started.
If I'm going to build it myself it will most likely be 2/3done and then something else will steal my attention.
I need something that will work out of the box, at least for my first printer.
But the whole Prusa thing is interesting indeed.
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