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Good morning, WO OG! The recovery is underway and it seems pretty solid. The next 2 weeks will be critical.  Cool

I think its this China news. It is very positive, imagine China have little to no influence anymore.

So to summarize
Elon + China combined can do -43% 

Keeping in mind the history of Bitcoin, that's nothing.
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Good morning, WO OG! The recovery is underway and it seems pretty solid. The next 2 weeks will be critical.  Cool

I think its this China news. It is very positive, imagine China have little to no influence anymore.
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Good morning, WO OG! The recovery is underway and it seems pretty solid. The next 2 weeks will be critical.  Cool
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This is interesting.

So there has been some news regarding the "China bans Bitcoin" that has been doing the rounds and that contributed to the recent dumpfest.

Apparently, the CCP is actually serious this time so the Chinese based miners have all shat their pants and were major sellers during the dump. Not only that they are also now either aggressively moving their operations or selling their mining equipment on mass, at firesale prices as well. We are seeing another significant drop in hash rate right now so it might actually be true, next difficulty adjustment (29th May) is set to be about a 15% decline.

If this is true, this is the best news we have received in a long time, mega bullish medium/long term. With China out of the loop, the China and environmental FUD will cease, putting some of the final nails into the critics coffins (they'll have to go back to talking tulips). I also beleive that if this is true, it will mean an approval of the ETF as, I believe, one of the larger concerns was the influence of China over the asset.
Nic Carter seems to be the most up to date on this, here are some of his tweets.

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396538897077841923

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396553898454835201

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396652765426987022

dldr of what he nic was talking about in the pr3vious twitter link https://twitter.com/mikekilinski/status/1396666279042314244

I haven't watched this one yet, but this should give a good overview of the Chine situation https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396683091826069507

hashrate perscentage by country in 3 chinese mining pools BTC.com, Poolin, and ViaBTC https://cbeci.org/mining_map

They just trolling about to buy Mining gear at lower prices..
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ok but what have you done to him?

Called him out on giving bad advice to newbies regarding wallet safekeeping. He didn't want to have a discussion, because I had actual arguments, so he just decided to block me and hide my replies to him.
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 what a carpet still falling like 60% down looks so dramatic and it's tough to see it
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even some of the relative noobs (came in 2016 or later)


We are all newbies compared to uie pooie.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

 a friend of mine (basically a no-coiner) who thinks he knows how much I hold said to me last week: cAPS, stop being so greedy.  Next time you get to 3 million just SELL and retire.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Hahahaha

I have heard some variation of that too.  


I have quit thinking about my BTC "position" in terms of what it is worth in USD.  

I am not going to go that far.. that's for sure.  It is going to take a long time before we do not need to consider relative values of a variety of assets/currencies and what it is that we would like to do with our life or the kinds of aspirations and options that we want to be able to exercise.


I have realized I am not in this to "make money".  

I find it nice to have made money as a kind of side benefit.  So even if making money was not the main focus, it sure is nice to have it as some extra bonus.. It's like you are living in an apartment in a nice city with all your needs being met, and then as a side bonus someone just comes up to you and says, I would like to give you this house with a garden and a garage and you do not need to do anything extra, just live in the house as you wish just because you are such a great person (who happened to HODL bitcoin.. so you deserve this house as a bonus)....   I am like: "ok."  thanks for the house.. I was happy in the apartment, but this house is even nicer than my apartment and I don't have to go up stairs, and the garage actually fits six cars, so even though I only have one car, it might be nice to have a few extra spots.


I am in this to PRESERVE MY WEALTH.  And the reason these swings don't do as much to me emotionally as they used to is because I have begun to measure my wealth primarily in the amount of BTC I have.  THEN the other things up there come into play.  Yes the price fluctuates compared to USD, or houses etc.  But I am used to that for now.

To the extent we measure our wealth in BTC, we have lost nothing.

And it makes me happy that the rest of the world sees that as crazy.  Not because I want them to HFSP.  But because it is a reliable contrarian tell that I am still doing the right thing.

Yeah... this week has stung a little.  Because the timeline for me moving into my shack on Maui has been pushed back a little again.  C'est la vie...  I am not in a huge hurry. And I have very little doubt that the day will STILL get here before I ever thought it would.

I don't feel set back.  The 208-week moving average might have lessened its upward curve a wee bit, but it is still moving up pretty damned decently.. it is still currently about $12,500  and still moving up around $100 to $200 each week... So in another year or less it will likely be approaching $20k.. Cannot be complaining about those kinds of numbers... at least from my thinkenings.. which still seems to be rising to the level of feeling that my wealth is preserving because the 208-week moving average keeps moving UPpity... maybe the curve gets a bit more flat from time to time.. but still UPpity it continues.. at least so far in my time in bitcoin and since I have been paying more attention to it in the past couple of years.. to create my new conceptualization of bottoms being more important than tops, even though tops do give some signs about various places to shave off a bit of monies but also ideas about how much higher (if any) such prices happen to be than the 208 week moving average and if the current price continues to be higher than the 208 week moving average, then the assumption is pretty damned strong that the 208 week moving average is either moving up or at minimum staying flat.

i am a twat apparently Smiley

Agreed.  You are a twat that seems capable of learning.. at least for the moment.

 Wink

Did it ever went down midcycle (similar position) below the prior ATH?
Nope.


Stop trying to read drama into this situation.. just because you are cheerleading for DOWNity.

You can fuck off with that DOWNity cheerleading.. and attempt to appear as if you are being logical.. blah blah blah.. while propagating nonsense.


Therefore, unless we are witnessing something entirely new,

Every cycle in bitcoinlandia is something new.   Get used to it.  Yeah of course, there are patterns but the patterns may well show some unique characteristics from time to time too..

Get a fucking grip.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


somewhere around 25K could be a "natural" attractor because it corresponds to roughly 61.8% decline (Fib number)

Yes, of course, maybe $25k could happen and maybe it won't.  So fucking what?  You have not said anything interesting to suggest that we have to have down before we have up, when probably the odds are way closer to 50/50 for reaching $25k or any other random DOWNity number that you pick than you are making them out to be.


IF we will go below the prior one (50%, where we are right now, give or take).

Because of this, it either bounce here or at 25K (plus minus a thou or half a thou), IMHO.

Yeah,, we might bounce here, and we might bounce at $25k and we might bounce at some other number too.

Think about the fact that a lot of leveraged longs have already been liquidated a few times.. People are getting scaredie cat to leverage long again (which leverage is dangerous as fuck, anyhow), so instead of leveraging longs, they are likely getting leveraged shorts, and gosh I wonder what kind of fuel leveraged shorts cause?

Anyhow your whole point, we might go down to $25k and we might not.  We might bounce from here and we might not.  Thanks for that Biodom.  That was very very very helpful to consider your bold proposition of what might happen and what might not.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Eventually some light at the End of the Tunnel. My Little chart  on Day Time Frame shows that we are above Pivot point now and if BTC stays there for 4 hrs and makes a good Green candle  then next  likely target of Fibonacci is 37,402.



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This is interesting.

So there has been some news regarding the "China bans Bitcoin" that has been doing the rounds and that contributed to the recent dumpfest.

Apparently, the CCP is actually serious this time so the Chinese based miners have all shat their pants and were major sellers during the dump. Not only that they are also now either aggressively moving their operations or selling their mining equipment on mass, at firesale prices as well. We are seeing another significant drop in hash rate right now so it might actually be true, next difficulty adjustment (29th May) is set to be about a 15% decline.

If this is true, this is the best news we have received in a long time, mega bullish medium/long term. With China out of the loop, the China and environmental FUD will cease, putting some of the final nails into the critics coffins (they'll have to go back to talking tulips). I also beleive that if this is true, it will mean an approval of the ETF as, I believe, one of the larger concerns was the influence of China over the asset.
Nic Carter seems to be the most up to date on this, here are some of his tweets.

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396538897077841923

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396553898454835201

https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396652765426987022

dldr of what he nic was talking about in the pr3vious twitter link https://twitter.com/mikekilinski/status/1396666279042314244

I haven't watched this one yet, but this should give a good overview of the Chine situation https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1396683091826069507

hashrate perscentage by country in 3 chinese mining pools BTC.com, Poolin, and ViaBTC https://cbeci.org/mining_map
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[...]
The amount of BTC I hold has not changed at all in the last couple weeks. Well it actually went up just a little. Since I have begun to measure my wealth denominated in BTC, it has changed my perspective.  These days I think about how much BTC it will take to put my children through college (maybe not worth it, lol), or buy a house or be able to retire.  I don't even think about how much USD beyond doing the needed conversion since it's still the unit of account for most.

I have quit thinking about my BTC "position" in terms of what it is worth in USD.  I have realized I am not in this to "make money".  I am in this to PRESERVE MY WEALTH.  And the reason these swings don't do as much to me emotionally as they used to is because I have begun to measure my wealth primarily in the amount of BTC I have.  THEN the other things up there come into play.  Yes the price fluctuates compared to USD, or houses etc.  But I am used to that for now.

To the extent we measure our wealth in BTC, we have lost nothing.

And it makes me happy that the rest of the world sees that as crazy.  Not because I want them to HFSP.  But because it is a reliable contrarian tell that I am still doing the right thing.

[...]



Excellent post cAPSLOCK, as always. Took some parts out to highlight but go and read the whole thing if you haven't already (looking forward to that other lengthy post in the making Wink)

Anyone attempting storing their wealth in something infinitely inflationary is out of their mind. Measuring your wealth in fiat makes no sense since your share is not a constant. It takes time to realize the USD/EUR is the real shitcoin, and all that matters is your share of the Bitcoin network.

As soon as you understand the above, it is not you but the rest of the world that is crazy. Thinking which percentage of your bitcoin you want to allocate to a house or the college of your children, is completely rational. That is how you carefully allocate hard money since you can only spend it once.

This thread is about observing walls but is entertaining and a bit sad there are even legendary members that still don't seem to get it, selling bitcoin for fiat. That sugar rush of a few extra dollars gained will soon fade while the pain of not having bitcoins will last and increase forever.
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Could you stop clinging and following me around? Put me on ignore or something, otherwise it feels like stalking.
You see zero value in my posts, I see negative value in yours, both in style and substance.
Let's agree on this and and stop cross posting.

I expect an answer and then I will not directly respond to anything you utter as long as you do the same.

Deal?

No


in such case, you are going to be IGNORED from now on.
keep posting bullshit (or is it horseshit?) though, it seems to be entertaining to others.
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I wonder if this will effect the Silver market come Monday, lot of speculation that the $2T market cap in crypto kept Silver and Gold down by about 30%
I really don't think the two are linked at all, gold and silver are hedges and crypto is extremely volatile.

There's ideology cross overs but I don't think that's the majority of ownership.

We are not talking about crypto in this thread, so there is that angle too.  

In other words, if I am misreading you, you might want to clarify what you mean, kingcolex.

Dang i'm such a dick sorry guys  Cheesy

Goes without saying that you are a dick, and surely you are not sorry.. You are just saying that you are sorry to be even more of a dick.

Dicks are not sorry for being a dick.  

An alternate theory could be that you are a twat? If you actually happen to be sorry, then twats tend to be sorry for their being a twat (and twats tend to be even more sorry if they had been a dick).
I might just be dumb, what I was saying is I don't think the silver market is tied to crypto in any way and the price of crypto is irrelevant to the price of silver. I think there's some overlap of customers due to beliefs but I can't see that enough to hold back the silver market and the price.

First of all, who fucking cares about the amorphous concept of "crypto" it hardly even means anything.

Now if you are wanting to say something about bitcoin in relation to gold and silver markets, then spit it out.

Seems to me that bitcoin is already eating the lunch of both gold and silver to the extent that they are used as stores of value and/or financial instruments and likely to continue to eat their lunches.  Of course, bitcoin cannot replace some of the utility that comes from various industrial uses of either of those metals, but how much of that do we care about?  Do you own either of them in terms of trying to store value or as financial instruments?  Why would you choose either of them in comparison to bitcoin.. bitcoin is superior in a lot of ways.

Regarding other cryptos, they are all over the fucking place, so why do we want to even get into trying to analyze where one piece of shit coin might be relative to another.. just does not seem to matter to analyze any of them separately in this thread and then to lump them together and to proclaim that they are anything but overly hyped and overly valued shit seems to be as much analysis to make towards various nonbitcoin crypto as a whole. 

Now if you are going to include bitcoin in such assessment regarding crypto then seems that you are largely devolving into gobbledy-gook speak and muddy thinkenings.  What am I missing?

By the way, if you are trying to make some short term assessments of various PMs compared to bitcoin and you are NOT concluding that bitcoin is the way superior asset, then you are quite likely NOT zoomed out enough.  Which part is not clear?





Could you stop clinging and following me around? Put me on ignore or something, otherwise it feels like stalking.
You see zero value in my posts, I see negative value in yours, both in style and substance.
Let's agree on this and and stop cross posting.

I expect an answer and then I will not directly respond to anything you utter as long as you do the same.

Deal?

No

... Basel III unleashes gold price after 30 years controlled by paper derivatives with 100-1 leverage

thanks for this info, it looks interesting (I was unaware of this somehow).

... check into this then, it's important. Geopolitical problems of 30+ years are coming to a head. The rise of Bitcoin has forced some hands to be sure ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/basel-iii-new-role-gold

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... Like bitcoin or hate it, the latest rally was deeply embarrassing to everyone who’s been skimming the cream off society via the monopolistic monetary system. Their lies were laid bare for all of us to see.

It doesn’t surprise me at all that this week was the week chosen to do the hatchet job on crypto. It was also the week where the plumbing of the financial markets became so thoroughly clogged (see Whalen’s article above) that there was no choice but to demoralize the rubes who thought they would escape the Great Reset.

Everyone must be liquidated to make the world safe for German eugenicists and commies.

So, Basel III is coming to destroy the paper gold markets and destroy the money center banks in New York and London while setting the stage to bail out the euro-zone. Higher gold prices are the answer to all of these things. Think of it this way, in a world where debt assets are failing and new private forms of custodial assets are rising in mindshare, what’s the only real weapon the central banks have to maintain credibility?

Their gold reserves.

How do you, if you are the ECB, use that weapon simultaneously against your two main competitors, the commercial banking interests in New York and London and the nascent crypto anarchists? You deploy your gold and steal everyone’s thunder....

very important subject.
notably developing cryptos create doubts in ECB credibility with its perpetual increasing debts.
so basel 3 ruling introduction could solidify the basis of european banks in re-establishing thruth in gold assets

the problem is that this subject is still being discussed, not yet really implemented? and mainly in europe

another solution(easier ?) for central bankers is to induce a bear market in cryptos, which is currently tried actively.


Does that effect bitcoin?  or how does it relate to dee king daddy?
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Their gold reserves.

How do you, if you are the ECB, use that weapon simultaneously against your two main competitors, the commercial banking interests in New York and London and the nascent crypto anarchists? You deploy your gold and steal everyone’s thunder....

Their actual reserves or what they claim to have?
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I don't think that is sustainable at all with BTCiTcoin. It's FAKE AF!!! Smiley
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