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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bitcoin behaves like it is stuck in a rut...unless you step back and look at the weeklies, which are super bullish.
What we observe, together with coins flying off of exchanges, is huge funds/companies doing equally large accumulation while trying not to affect the price much, imho.
Someone pointed to a single wallet making a $5 bil transaction recently.
The are not too many entities which could have pulled it off.

New frame work for being at the top of a range:  "stuck in a rut"  I suppose it is possible to consider the BTC price dynamics matter like that.. especially if you are "hoping" for DOWNity.

 Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

We are "stuck in a rut", guys (and gal)!!!!!!!! 

You heard it here, first (proper credit (blame) to Biodom, of course)!!!!!
legendary
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Bitcoin behaves like it is stuck in a rut...unless you step back and look at the weeklies, which are super bullish.
What we observe, together with coins flying off of exchanges, is huge funds/companies doing equally large accumulation while trying not to affect the price much, imho.
Someone pointed to a single wallet making a $5 bil transaction recently.
The are not too many entities which could have pulled it off.
legendary
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Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
... Random rant and insults...
j

So fuck off and don't read my post.

Whine about non-existent BTC dumps (or shill altcoins) and get the JJG Slap.

This is the WO way  Grin

Yeah... I know after 12h it's easy to say, there was nothing... After rebounce and the info that there was a long squeeze it's easy to rant and insult like a 10 year aggro kid. Clap clap clap... How awesome. Maybe he can also tell me the lottery numbers from last week.

As I recall, I was largely criticizing the ascribed purported certainties to your various nonsense.  I was not making my own predictions.  I don't tend to make my own predictions much beyond 50/50 (give or take 5%), but I do like to criticize folks who seem to want to ascribe too much certainties to various proclamations that they are making.. especially when they make them ongoingly, goofily and emotionally as you seem to continue to want to do..

Let him have some fun bro.


Why?  You are making no sense philip. 

Mean while we are touching new ATH. 50k is soooooo close.

Sure.. nothing wrong with that.

My gut tells me that 50 will be breached and going to 60k will be really rapid.

Hm..? you are not the ONLY one who has made such assertions.


As for taking some off the table I was able to do it I can now hodl the btc.

Yes.. we know that miners have to take BTC off the table on a more regular basis than non-miners who likely devise differing systems in terms of both how much and how frequently to take profits off the table.  There is going to be a lot of variation here.. of course, and maybe some folks will end up waiting too long, so it is difficult to attempt to apply any one set of suggestions to anyone even though various systems can be developed and suggested and WO members can figure out their own system while considering what others do at the same time.

So, sure, there could be some value in taking a bit "extra" out of BTC at some point in order to account for "what if the going to zero actually happens," event.  I might have to reflect on this a bit more - under the current BTC price location - to consider if I have adequately prepared for this, both psychologically and financially.  I believe that I had prepared for such scenario earlier, in the sense that I had considered that I had no real problem, either psychologically or financially if BTC were to go to zero.. but NOW, the BTC price is like 5x higher than my latest times in really seriously thinking about the matter.

Indeed. My point is not so much that there is a "right" way to do things, more that in the face of a future we can't know, there may be several options that are not really wrong. Though there are surely more than a few that are (as Mr Antonopoulos well demonstrated).

Through my time in bitcoin, I had already largely accounted for BTC going to zero, which I had always considered to be fairly low probabilities, and surely it would be one of the worst scenarios, but I have systems in place that surely prepare me for major drops that fall short of "going to zero." 

Only thing is that your post reminded me that I have not reconsidered whether there might be some beneficial ways to further account for this "going to zero" scenario, one of the ones that I have not completely accounted for.. .. and sure, I am going to reconsider the matter, and likely I am not going to do anything rash, but there are probably some ways that I could make some minor changes in my current situation that will hardly at all affect me, but thereafter buttress me a bit more for the seemingly very unlikely going to zero scenario.. And many people recall that I have always suggested that prudent folks should not be deviating too much from the amount of preparation that they make for scenarios in terms of the likelihood that they will happen, so for sure I consider going to zero scenarios to be much smaller than 1% (surely you, Richy_T might well assign higher values to such going to zero scenarios), but anyhow, whatever tweak that I make is going to likely be in a smaller than 1% tweak because of the way that I perceive the scenario and I am also not necessarily in a rush to accomplish it, but your post still has inspired me to consider and to devise a plan to deal with this area that has been somewhat lacking in my "total" btc preparedness historically, because my total preparedness previously had considered merely just riding the whole thing down to zero if that is where it is going to go, but since I am feeling so excessively over-allocated in bitcoin, there are likely ways that are going to hardly affect me at all in terms of preparing for zero.

Regarding the Antonopoulous example, I am not sure about your reference.  Are you talking about him having had failed and refused to save bitcoin because he was spending it all the time, or are you talking about some other example, because the failure and refusal to save bitcoin seems to be an issue that is not related, unless you want to describe the connection that you are suggesting to exist.
legendary
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check out the gem that fronti found:

Beim Stöberm im Thread

Damals, 2013:

(von https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1639507)

Heute:



same same but different!

incredible!

 Cool

edit: lol, did you see "mtgox trading engine lag" ? muahah haha 34 sec... imagine the fuckery...

edit2: if merit: pls to fronti, not me
legendary
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So, sure, there could be some value in taking a bit "extra" out of BTC at some point in order to account for "what if the going to zero actually happens," event.  I might have to reflect on this a bit more - under the current BTC price location - to consider if I have adequately prepared for this, both psychologically and financially.  I believe that I had prepared for such scenario earlier, in the sense that I had considered that I had no real problem, either psychologically or financially if BTC were to go to zero.. but NOW, the BTC price is like 5x higher than my latest times in really seriously thinking about the matter.

Indeed. My point is not so much that there is a "right" way to do things, more that in the face of a future we can't know, there may be several options that are not really wrong. Though there are surely more than a few that are (as Mr Antonopoulos well demonstrated).
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Sure.. in theory, taking out house money can be good in theory, especially if you are afraid about bitcoin's future performance or if you are afraid for your initial investment.. but jeez.. you can take out your initial investment way too damned soon and then screw ur lil selfie out of a whole hell of a lot of profits because you wanted to feel MOAR comfie.  I think that currently, my initial investment is about 1.5% of the value of my BTC.. something like that.  So the BTC price would have to go down to 98.5% to around $700 for my investment to be equal to the size of the value of BTC... Why even fucking bother pulling out the value of the investment just to feel comfie.. hardly makes sense to me, especially if you invested in such a way that you were NOT investing more than you can afford to lose.. but whatever, if that's what makes peeps more comfie, then go ahead.. and surely it makes more sense when you are up 60x or whatever because taking out the initial investment does not draw down the principle nor the whole investment very much, but it makes a whole hell of a lot less sense if you might only be 2x or 3x in profits or something like 10% to 30% or so in profits which would have been the paltry range of mindrust's profit status around $4,500, which seems to have been the point that you were making, xhomerx10... so you and I, xhomerx10, are making the same point in different words.. wall of text from me, and normal talk from ur lil selfie.   Tongue Tongue Tongue

This is true enough but if Bitcoin drops more than the gut-wrenching rollercoaster that we're used to, it's not going to be 98.5%, it's going to go to 0 because some protocol breaking bug or vulnerability will be found. I don't think it's likely but if it did, it's comforting to know I got something out of it already.


Well, sure.  We always have to be prepared for the possibility of BTC going to zero, and I have never NOT accounted for that including that.... and if something like a "going to zero" scenario would play out, it may well happen so fast that NOT much if any value could be withdrawn before it ended up going to zero.

Again, like you already mentioned the probability remains pretty damned low for the going to zero possibility, and seems even lower now than it did when I started investing in BTC in late 2013.. but of course, it remains a non-zero possibility.

So, sure, there could be some value in taking a bit "extra" out of BTC at some point in order to account for "what if the going to zero actually happens," event.  I might have to reflect on this a bit more - under the current BTC price location - to consider if I have adequately prepared for this, both psychologically and financially.  I believe that I had prepared for such scenario earlier, in the sense that I had considered that I had no real problem, either psychologically or financially if BTC were to go to zero.. but NOW, the BTC price is like 5x higher than my latest times in really seriously thinking about the matter.
legendary
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BTC + Crossfit, living life.
Today might be the day the the price of one full BTC will reach 50K

Close call.
legendary
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I am not a "technical trader" (in fact, I try not to speculate at all, other than buying in pieces while low, selling when high).  But there is a "Quadruple Top" threatening, albeit slightly increasing (1 month chart).  A guy I know insists that technical trading is the way to go, I have my doubts, but he told me years ago that the "the cranky old timer down at the end of the hall" (at a brokerage) ALWAYS started out looking at "fundamentals" then gradually found himself transitioning to technical...

Well, some of the technical traders growl that "There is no such thing as a Quadruple Top".  To me that would mean either:

1)   BTC price FAILS (falls) from it's near $50k price, just before completing the formation

or

2)  BTC smashes right through on its way up.

If there's anything to this notion to quadruple tops/quadruple bottoms, I suppose we will know soon.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Fiat assets seem more risky that fiat, the stock market in particular.


... you're confused, "fiat assets" are those monetary debt notes issued by central banks and backed up governmental fiat decree, e.g. US Fed. Res. debt promissory notes, Euros, Yen, Pounds "sterling", Yuan, AUD, NZD and on and on ... actually it's questionable whether they are actually assets but rather classed as  liabilities since they are issued as debts against society

... fiat-denominated assets like stocks, bonds, commodities, property can be anything you want to value in fiat (a risky idea now)

... you can denominate any asset in any other asset, just because stocks are now somehow linked to the central bank fiats, inside their prison-casino financial pyramid schemes, does not mean those asset are forever beholden to fiat ... this is the mind-prison part of the fiat deception

... eventually many assets will be denominated in BTC, MegaWatts for BTC, oil for BTC, Gold for BTC, houses for BTC, Teslas for BTC (wait already have it), Booty for BTC, food for BTC, you get the picture.


... shake your head out of the fiat mind-prison

Had to laugh at this one, Marcus.. .

good one

touché

New poll!
 

>>>When do you plan to start "taking profits" in fiat?<<<

Something seems to be wrong with the answers of the poll because it presumes all or nothing kinds of behaviors... and sure there are probably a considerable number of folks who are planning a BTC price point to cash out a significant amount of their BTC.. but there may be some who cash out small amounts along the way, such as yours truly and who is therefore considering that there might not be any need to cash out BIG chunks, and there are perhaps others who don't really know when they are going to cash out, and they are considering a kind of "I'll know it when I see it" approach, that may or may not end up working out very well.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
New poll!

Old Poll:

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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I hope there is one last push over $50k. But I would not be surprised if we reached the top for this cycle.

Elwar, bro, what are you smoking?

We’re still early in this bull cycle, I’d estimate that the price will treble from here.

I certainly hope so. I did the sale years ago so as they say...don't let emotions play a role in your trades. It's certainly not a significant amount, but so many of the charts put us exactly where we are today years ago ($50-$60k range).

Which is awesome because the charts looking into the next 4 years are pretty amazing.

You seem to be looking at the wrong charts, or you 4-year cycle seems to be starting and ending at the wrong spot..

but whatever, do what you like. 

You've been warned.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

But we all know the other signs that we need to keep in mind...how many old friends that you haven't talked to in years are contacting you asking about some random shitcoin? How many people talking about $100k-$200k prices "soon".

Yes.. those kinds of indicators can be misleading, so hopefully you are not using that kind of bullshit to help you into determining a purported current "top"

I do believe that in the next few years we will never need to sell again. We'll just be using our bitcoin.

Fair enough.  You gotta do what you gotta do.  (even if it appears wrong to many of the rest of us... royal we, of course)

Get room you two.....
( I think Jay likes you, Deezleman)

That's one way of putting it... no homo

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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legendary
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... hybrid are cute and maybe interesting but a bit dinky too tbh ... you can get a 8-10 kW cummins diesel generator AND a RAM 6.7l cummins diesel turbo 4x4 truck for the same money  Grin Grin Cheesy




For using the inverter, my car has a big sized battery so we just ran it off of that. If the battery would have got too low, I would have just jumped it off my wife's car and let it charge up. Fortunately, the roads were usable fairly quickly, they just took a long time to reconnect our electricity (Due to some weird circumstance, we were the only one on our street on the broken circuit and they were repairing in order of number of people affected).
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
... Random rant and insults...
j

So fuck off and don't read my post.

Whine about non-existent BTC dumps (or shill altcoins) and get the JJG Slap.

This is the WO way  Grin

Yeah... I know after 12h it's easy to say, there was nothing... After rebounce and the info that there was a long squeeze it's easy to rant and insult like a 10 year aggro kid. Clap clap clap... How awesome. Maybe he can also tell me the lottery numbers from last week.

As I recall, I was largely criticizing the ascribed purported certainties to your various nonsense.  I was not making my own predictions.  I don't tend to make my own predictions much beyond 50/50 (give or take 5%), but I do like to criticize folks who seem to want to ascribe too much certainties to various proclamations that they are making.. especially when they make them ongoingly, goofily and emotionally as you seem to continue to want to do..

Let him have some fun bro.

Mean while we are touching new ATH. 50k is soooooo close.

My gut tells me that 50 will be breached and going to 60k will be really rapid.

As for taking some off the table I was able to do it I can now hodl the btc.
legendary
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Sure.. in theory, taking out house money can be good in theory, especially if you are afraid about bitcoin's future performance or if you are afraid for your initial investment.. but jeez.. you can take out your initial investment way too damned soon and then screw ur lil selfie out of a whole hell of a lot of profits because you wanted to feel MOAR comfie.  I think that currently, my initial investment is about 1.5% of the value of my BTC.. something like that.  So the BTC price would have to go down to 98.5% to around $700 for my investment to be equal to the size of the value of BTC... Why even fucking bother pulling out the value of the investment just to feel comfie.. hardly makes sense to me, especially if you invested in such a way that you were NOT investing more than you can afford to lose.. but whatever, if that's what makes peeps more comfie, then go ahead.. and surely it makes more sense when you are up 60x or whatever because taking out the initial investment does not draw down the principle nor the whole investment very much, but it makes a whole hell of a lot less sense if you might only be 2x or 3x in profits or something like 10% to 30% or so in profits which would have been the paltry range of mindrust's profit status around $4,500, which seems to have been the point that you were making, xhomerx10... so you and I, xhomerx10, are making the same point in different words.. wall of text from me, and normal talk from ur lil selfie.   Tongue Tongue Tongue

This is true enough but if Bitcoin drops more than the gut-wrenching rollercoaster that we're used to, it's not going to be 98.5%, it's going to go to 0 because some protocol breaking bug or vulnerability will be found. I don't think it's likely but if it did, it's comforting to know I got something out of it already.

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Anyhow "knowing better" is a frequent problem with gamblers, people relying on bad sources of information and dreamers.

No doubt. They also tend to over-emphasize their gains and discount their losses.
legendary
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born once atheist
Get a room you two.....
( I think Jay likes you, Deezleman)



Cmon 50k you can do it!!
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
... Random rant and insults...
j

So fuck off and don't read my post.

Whine about non-existent BTC dumps (or shill altcoins) and get the JJG Slap.

This is the WO way  Grin

Yeah... I know after 12h it's easy to say, there was nothing... After rebounce and the info that there was a long squeeze it's easy to rant and insult like a 10 year aggro kid. Clap clap clap... How awesome. Maybe he can also tell me the lottery numbers from last week.

As I recall, I was largely criticizing the ascribed purported certainties to your various nonsense.  I was not making my own predictions.  I don't tend to make my own predictions much beyond 50/50 (give or take 5%), but I do like to criticize folks who seem to want to ascribe too much certainties to various proclamations that they are making.. especially when they make them ongoingly, goofily and emotionally as you seem to continue to want to do..
legendary
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the police did not know of such a thing, they over-reacted in a big way.

The police typically know astonishingly little about the law. It's why it's best to shut up and comply and sort it out with a lawyer later. Not that I think it should be that way.
legendary
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Always make sure your house has a fireplace. Friend in Texas is -3 temps and no power. A miserable heat pump won't do squat in that case.

Heat pumps aren't very efficient in very cold temperatures anyway. Ours is dual fuel. Though that still doesn't help much when the power goes out. I need a generator with 240V. Last time we lost power, we used a little Mr Heater heater and an inverter for the electrics. The stove is gas too so that came in handy. We do have fireplaces but no clue when they were last used so I wouldn't dare use them without an inspection.
legendary
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