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legendary
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I get "free" health insurance in America... In fact it's better than free, it pays me, I got a $30 check because I had their free health insurance last year. lol  (No copay doctor visits + free medicine etc... it's amazing)

Then I get $190 for "groceries".  It's basically a debt card and you can spend it on anything that isn't cooked.

I could buy $190 in King Crab and live oysters if I wanted OR $190 in straight candy bars.  lol... it's pathetic.

Poor people don't deserve choices... they deserve help.

It's amazing that people pay big bucks for Blue Apron meal plans, but we think meal plans for the poor are somehow inhumane... fuck me.
legendary
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 You are missing something.

 Those people are not in need of survival rations yet; just a little help.  In fact, 40% of the people in that line of cars were looking for help for the first-time.  Many people lost their jobs due to the lock-downs and other restrictions implemented due to Covid-19 have run out of unemployment benefits, likely much of the savings they may have had.  Since the second stimulus bill has been stalled for months, Americans are not getting the second promised $1200 relief check either.   One thing that you don't see by looking at the picture is that many people in that line of cars also received a turkey - which is essential for a proper "Thanksgiving" dinner.  This particular image isn't about survival food, this is food that has been donated by people (and companies) who 'have' trying to make sure that people who are a little low on funds will still be able to have a proper Thanksgiving dinner with family - which is a luxury.   Americans are generous people - in fact, they are likely among the most generous people you will find.

 There is a program in the USA called SNAP which stands for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program that provides food (or a food-purchasing card) for individuals and families in need.  It varies by state but generally a family of 4 can still have an income of >$3000 per month and still qualify for the benefit.  Americans are far from destitute.


Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Makes more sense but still donno what to make of it. First I took for granted that it is too soon for people that lost their jobs due to covid to be already out of unemployment benefits. Also I thought it was some sort of government food bank not a private initiative fueled by other people's generosity. Didn't know either that $1200 relief check was the only government help till date.

Not that much surprised that $3000/month there is considered on the verge of poverty, considering how high the average salaries are there.

Well I guess it is all about the weird contrast of those nice new cars and the concept of "food bank"... and maybe something about the determination to live above their means (or on credit) at the cost of not having any safety net other than charity.
legendary
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Thousands of cars lined up to collect food in Dallas, Texas, over the weekend, stretching as far as the eye can see.

Poor Americans are forced using their cars (on credit) to stand in a food line for hours and the crazy thing is they actually believe they live in the best country in the world.


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1328370997125410817

 In which other country can poor people line up at a food bank while sitting in an air-conditioned, luxury vehicle, listening to music on a factory-installed, 200+ W, 6 speaker, sound system surfing the internet on their iPhone 11 max pro??  It doesnt get any better than this; not even close.  This makes 'Best country in the world' seem like a gross understatement.



What I would like to know is if that is also part of the stupidity of society (the same that think credit is for spending, when it is the other way around). I mean, food for "surviving" is cheap as fuck. As in probably cheaper than the gas used to go collect it. So, unless they are also giving "luxury food" in those food banks I really don't understand it. How does it work? How much food and what "quality" do they give? I was thinking that maybe they give a few months worth of food for one trip... but that wouldn't probably fit into the trunk of a single vehicle.

I really feel like I am missing something here.

 You are missing something.

 Those people are not in need of survival rations yet; just a little help.  In fact, 40% of the people in that line of cars were looking for help for the first-time.  Many people lost their jobs due to the lock-downs and other restrictions implemented due to Covid-19 have run out of unemployment benefits, likely much of the savings they may have had.  Since the second stimulus bill has been stalled for months, Americans are not getting the second promised $1200 relief check either.   One thing that you don't see by looking at the picture is that many people in that line of cars also received a turkey - which is essential for a proper "Thanksgiving" dinner.  This particular image isn't about survival food, this is food that has been donated by people (and companies) who 'have' trying to make sure that people who are a little low on funds will still be able to have a proper Thanksgiving dinner with family - which is a luxury.   Americans are generous people - in fact, they are likely among the most generous people you will find.

 There is a program in the USA called SNAP which stands for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program that provides food (or a food-purchasing card) for individuals and families in need.  It varies by state but generally a family of 4 can still have an income of >$3000 per month and still qualify for the benefit.  Americans are far from destitute.
legendary
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1h addendum




#stronghands
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Although I see some weak-hands-whiplash during the night, now we are back above $18K. I still can't believe that so soon after the mostly bearish 3 years we are here - well above the 2x line. I mean for someone with 115% savings into BTC, it was quite exhausting to check the price over and over again and see that it either can't hold $8K, or even makes endless barts around $6.4K.

And that night in 2018 when we fell to $3.1K. Geez! I couldn't sleep well thinking from where I can get more  fiat to buy the dip. Back then the banks didn't offer big loans with good interest, or at least I didn't know about it. So I'd drained my two credit cards, although the interest of the missing sum was 14% per year. I was 30% below my average investment price. I remember when I went to the supermarket I didn't buy some expensive food, because I was so depressed. I continued to DCA until I decided to take a small loan with 4.9% yearly interest in early March. I had the opportunity to take 5x bigger sum, but I decided to wait in case some crash follows. So I've bought between $9K and $7.7K. Then the most dramatic crash I've witnessed happened. But this time I was so used to crashes, that I said to myself: meh, if this price holds for several months I will go to the bank for the new loan. But now I don't want to risk getting covid infection.

So I continued to DCA and in the summer an unexpectedly big profit in gpu mining allowed me to get even more BTC's. I know it is best not to sell anything untill 200K, but... because of my belief in Bitcoin, I took a bigger risk with these loans. So, I've decided to sell these coins, they weren't mine after all. Thus the bank will get from me several hundred bucks, while I get from it several tens of thousands  Cheesy It is time for me to close the loans, replace the damaged hardware and to learn how to hodl in exponential growths. Man, this is harder than I thought! 30K, 50K, 100K, ... how I will resist the temptation to sell too much too early, I don't know. The problem is that I have only one dream - a big luxury house or a villa at some paradise beach/island. No more greasy streets, dull life and stupid bosses and people around me! I just need to summon all my mental powers so that this change will cost me like 1/5th of my stash one day, when we are well above 100K.

Your gambling sounds much worse than the impression that I previously had gathered about how you were employing your leveraging into BTC.  

I hope that you can get your gambling under control, even though this time around did seem to pay off (and work out) quite handsomely for you... at least, so far.  Gambling with such amounts is NOT always going to work out so well.. so hopefully you can figure out some ways to approach your BTC investing matter with a lot less leverage... even though you have high aspirations for yourself... and shitcoiners have high aspirations for themselves, too and that is part of the reason that they end up betting on shitcoins hoping to outperform bitcoin.

Part of the asymmetric bet with bitcoin remains that you should not have to engage in high leverage in order for bitcoin to still pay off, and one of the ways to actually end up losing in bitcoin is to employ leverage and have the BTC price move against you for lower and longer than your budget is able to tolerate.

everyone dreaming of yaay 20k per coin yaay ATH next week, while i here sit broke and laugh at the sheer idiocracy that i have to witness Cheesy. Well, give brains to some and money to me is my Quote.Damn i miss the folks from 2010-13 that i met on this Forum, true Legendarys unlike.. This... whatever it is Cheesy

Dammn you Mt. Gox you suck balls really hard ! All we got left now is trash


P.S They got Electrolytes


R.I.P 2010-2013 You will be missed !

You only have yourself to blame, if you failed and refused to continue to invest in BTC after you got your money taken in MTGOX...

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Even if you may have only been able to afford $10 per week, you could have had a decent amount of coins by now.. even with a modest budget...

According to DCA website, you would have more than 4.5 bitcoins... which is surely not nothing.. and only would have invested $3,660.


In other words, stop your whining, and look in the mirror..

Are you fcking kidding me?

Why would I be kidding?

You made some assertions about not having bitcoins, currently, something like because you got goxed 7 years ago.. whine whine whine...

So, I felt that I needed to clarify the actual situation in bitcoinlandia, we have options.. as long as we have some kind of cashflow. such as an extra $10 per week or something like that... I recommend investing more, but people do what they are able to do.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'


Incentives are aligned.  Taproot will help increase adoption and thus, increase Bitcoin’s value.  What selfish miner running a business on razor-thin margins would not want for Bitcoin’s technology to improve, especially in ways that increase transaction capacity?  The money must flow!

I think that the reason why incentives got misaligned with Segwit v0 was that it broke Jihan’s covert ASICBOOST.  This led Bitmain and Bitmain-dominated mining pools into an unholy forking alliance with malicious parties who wanted to fork-attack Bitcoin for other reasons.  (Not that Jihan wasn’t malicious—and not that he didn’t probably have multiple motives; I simply point out here that he had a short-term, stupidly myopic economic interest in protecting his covert ASICBOOST capability.)

Many miners also may have another reason to desire Schnorr, MuSig, Taproot, etc.:  Anything that increases Bitcoin’s blockchain privacy on a mass scale decreases the potential for coercive pressure on miners to join transaction-blacklisting, “KYC”-enforcing mining pools.

Just for a gut check, @philipma1957:  Would you prefer a future in which you may be coerced to use your hashpower to attack Bitcoin’s fungibility—or a future in which such attacks are less feasible, or (beyond Taproot-based technologies) even impossible?

Wow what a hard question to answer.

BTC is still an infant.

It is quite small. Well under 400,000,000,000 cap I think it is 327 billion at the moment.

So if I keep it hidden with clever tech do I attract many governments that attempt to shut me down ?


So is the wise path to play along until it gets too big to fail?

ie a 5 trillion market cap seems hard to attack. Especially if 4 trillion is in the hands of large investors.

So I am inclined to not go hidden and paint a target on my back when it comes to BTC.

I am pro shitcoin (just a few are needed) for this reason.

XMR or some other coin can be the sneaky coin that paints a target on its back.

LTC and Doge can do small transactions.

This thread has a lot of BTC maximumist (sp)  people I am not one of them.

  1 coin makes it easier for governments of the world to control.
 As in your question we know that governments will be doing this.



I am pro shitcoin (just a few are needed) for this reason.

XMR or some other coin can be the sneaky coin that paints a target on its back.

LTC and Doge can do small transactions.

This thread has a lot of BTC maximumist (sp)  people I am not one of them.

  1 coin makes it easier for governments of the world to control.
 As in your question we know that governments will be doing this.

There is a less than zero chance, in any future scenario, that governments of the world would tell crypto brokers and exchanges to "Shut down all BitcoinTM buying and selling. But the other shitcoins? Yeah they're cool, they can keep trading as normal." If a worldwide shutdown were to happen, it would be all crypto or nothing being bought/sold on public exchanges. But by then CBDC would likely be a huge worldwide thing, so difficult for them to sell the public on a double standard. Also, the more major corporations, investment banks, and HNW investors take large positions in Bitcoin, the less likely it will ever be outlawed.

Torque why did you make your post the way you did?
legendary
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hodlers should reread this every so often just because imo

~past cycles~...

great post @600

+10 WOsMerits


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+1 WOsMerit

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the evening wall report

#dyor

4h


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#stronghands

legendary
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The time-series plots (charts) give you enough visual data for daily high price (in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020) and daily volume.




That is only three years, the last time that I measured.. even if there are four lines being shown.

Go figure??

Note that one line is incomplete, as is one year.

2016 should be included, for better comparison of the 4 year cycles.

That's what I was saying...

#justsaying
legendary
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legendary
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Thousands of cars lined up to collect food in Dallas, Texas, over the weekend, stretching as far as the eye can see.

Poor Americans are forced using their cars (on credit) to stand in a food line for hours and the crazy thing is they actually believe they live in the best country in the world.


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1328370997125410817

 In which other country can poor people line up at a food bank while sitting in an air-conditioned, luxury vehicle, listening to music on a factory-installed, 200+ W, 6 speaker, sound system surfing the internet on their iPhone 11 max pro??  It doesnt get any better than this; not even close.  This makes 'Best country in the world' seem like a gross understatement.



What I would like to know is if that is also part of the stupidity of society (the same that think credit is for spending, when it is the other way around). I mean, food for "surviving" is cheap as fuck. As in probably cheaper than the gas used to go collect it. So, unless they are also giving "luxury food" in those food banks I really don't understand it. How does it work? How much food and what "quality" do they give? I was thinking that maybe they give a few months worth of food for one trip... but that wouldn't probably fit into the trunk of a single vehicle.

I really feel like I am missing something here.
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Sup folks? I need some crazy hat  Smiley (if possible, of course)

Thanks  Smiley

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legendary
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Thanks  Smiley
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
What I like about this month's big pump is that the few dumps that attempted to destroy it were quickly eaten out. This shows a strong upward momentum, which I hope will soon take us to ATH and beyond.

It's dumping again as I type this... Let's see... Will the above hold true?

In any case, I would still HoDL and wait.

I am happy I sold 2 pieces

1 piece  at 17900 and 1 piece at 18200

RSI above 84 on the 3D chart rarely holds without a proper correction 20% plus). The problem is timing the local top. It could be $23k for all we know  Roll Eyes

I won't sell at 19 or 20 or 21

next set of pieces are ready for

22
23
24
25

Then I won't sell till 30

30
31
32
33

then I won't sell till

38
39
40
41

This is how I mine in bull runs.

Never sell it all.  And I am always getting coin back at ½ the market price.

biggest issue is not enough gear.
hero member
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Still a manic miner
What I like about this month's big pump is that the few dumps that attempted to destroy it were quickly eaten out. This shows a strong upward momentum, which I hope will soon take us to ATH and beyond.

It's dumping again as I type this... Let's see... Will the above hold true?

In any case, I would still HoDL and wait.

I am happy I sold 2 pieces

1 piece  at 17900 and 1 piece at 18200

RSI above 84 on the 3D chart rarely holds without a proper correction 20% plus). The problem is timing the local top. It could be $23k for all we know  Roll Eyes

I bet we "correct" at 3d RSI 92, maybe after ATH..  Roll Eyes
legendary
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yes
What I like about this month's big pump is that the few dumps that attempted to destroy it were quickly eaten out. This shows a strong upward momentum, which I hope will soon take us to ATH and beyond.

It's dumping again as I type this... Let's see... Will the above hold true?

In any case, I would still HoDL and wait.

I am happy I sold 2 pieces

1 piece  at 17900 and 1 piece at 18200

RSI above 84 on the 3D chart rarely holds without a proper correction 20% plus). The problem is timing the local top. It could be $23k for all we know  Roll Eyes
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Happy bull market. Price drags me back to here again.

Love you all.

Hey hey hey. Very nice to see you rj. How've you been? We're about the same. More up than down now, yes.

Love you too.
sr. member
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Have i been talking to walls the past 3 years? Or just Baby boomers? Im out of this bs, anyone sent me  PM when they will wanna give me my Coins back or finance some real skill. Peace

legendary
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Happy bull market. Price drags me back to here again.

Love you all.
legendary
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BTC + Crossfit, living life.
I do love the forum in bull-market-mode.... time I spent more time here again.... gonna make some more time!!!
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it


Then you will realize he is one of the more accurate indicators around here...


I will take proudhon over materluc any day of the week! Smiley
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