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legendary
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legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
we ate all the cows

clearly I'm going to have to reconsider that run to the IRAZ
legendary
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Be a bank
Oh jojo I had no idea
No.
The cow eats the ferns.
The man eats the cow.

What did the poor cows ever do to you you bypass them like they weren't even there?
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
~ misleading poo, thrown in all directions ~



Wassaaaup r0achie?
How are those bars of yours doing?
legendary
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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Well I think It very well can go down as it can also go up, a lot.

I am not as sure as you guys that this is going to moon soon or again follow the last big rise (200 to 20k)

It is not even about btc itself.

There is too much happening at the moment and we may find ourselves in the middle of a world war soon.

Risk management is the only thing I care about and for me bitcoin is a risky asset. It is experimental tech. We all know that don't lie to yourself. I know it solves a real world problem, I know it is a great tech but it is also risky. No way I can flash %50 of my networth right after I took a big hit. Nope that's not happening.

Typical no coiners try to justify their actions, and talk BTC down, and point out as many negatives as they can, while trying to show themselves as objective.

I know that's not how you get rich but my original plan was  never about that too.

I have heard negative stuff out of you previously, too, but I suppose it is somewhat easier to talk negative bitcoin stuff when you don't have any coins.

My original investment plan was reaching half a million usd. (that's more than enough for me to retire.)

Sounds like a very reachable goal..


The more I spent on btc I also raised that cap to a million. Because, why not? More is better right. wtf. That was a bad sign and I also ignored it.

Exactly, your mind was melting, and maybe you did not even realize it.  Good thing you got out of bitcoin before your mind melted some more. 


Greed & gambling. These don't work well on me. I am not strong enough. Worked well for most of you in the past and that's great.

Gotta do the greed and gambling in moderation.

Of course, greed can be characterized as a negative or as a positive.  As a positive, greed is merely just framing things in such a way that activities that are in your control directed in a way that is to be in your self-interests.

I already addressed this gambling issue in an earlier post, but surely, if you align your view of probabilities up, then you try not to bet against the probabilities, but just have realistic expectations, except maybe every once in a while you might just gamble a little here or there, as long as most of your life is secure, then you should be able to gamble with some aspects of your life that you don't mind if you lose or not.  For example, maybe in a card game with friends you might play for quarters rather than for $100s of dollars...keep the gambling part funzies rather than a central aspect of life.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
we need to figure out what the fuck the marker is that this thing is latching on to

the filter it is applying is just bizarre

ACE2

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02/exclusive-controversial-experiments-make-bird-flu-more-risky-poised-resume#

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In October 2014, U.S. officials announced an unprecedented “pause” on funding for 18 GOF studies involving influenza or the Middle East respiratory syndrome or severe acute respiratory syndrome viruses (SARS).
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Now, the HHS committee has approved the same type of work in the Kawaoka and Fouchier labs that set off the furor 8 years ago.
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Kawaoka’s grant is the same one on H5N1 that was paused in 2014. It includes identifying mutations in H5N1 that allow it to be transmitted by respiratory droplets in ferrets.

Ferrets are the key. Breed a avian H5N1 or SARS-like virus through 5-10 generations in ferrets (or civets) and it gains a receptor to ACE2 and become human transmissible, airborne.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002199751400005X

Isolate a SARS-like bat coronavirus from a cave in china somewhere and breed it through ferrets (or civets for sars-cov-1) for 5-10 generations and you end up with something indistinguishable from SARS-COV-2. The claim of 'not engineered' is disingenuous at best ... if it was bred in a laboratory cage somewhere I would call that engineered, or manmade at least, even if there wasn't any gene-splicing involved.
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
Whatever you do now, my only advise is that whatever plan you do decide to follow, you do stick to it no matter what... Otherwise I would not be surprised if you do end being a nocoiner for a third time.

JFC. Multi kill.

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Of all the things I lost in life I miss my mind the most.

I'm on track, any word of advise, before I go full wacko?


Learn to accept the fact you cannot always trust yourself. That is a brutal thing to deal with if you have had rote memory your entire life and then its not dependable. Alot of people turn mean at this point and refuse to admit when they are wrong and I have certainly been guilty of that myself, especially when you forget that you forget.

If you start to get bad memory, and you realize that you are getting bad memory, wouldn't you have to change some of your procedures such as writing things down more?

Many people do like to try to stay mostly-self reliant, but of course, if possible, there could be help from "friends" but even with "help from friends" it seems to me that many people prefer to try to be self-reliant in order that they do not feel that they are becoming too much of a burden on others.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
Cascadian here

It's not the Mexico border I'm worried about, but the front line with the Mormon Theocracy.  Currently holding them at Fort Rock in Oregon, but with the increasing pressure from the Sino-Canadians from the North, resources are stressed.

I do hold a passport for the Intermountain Redneck Autonomous Zone and have considered bugging out, but the run across the territory of the Consolidated Yakima-Umatilla has become a real problem since their ethnic cleansing of the whites.  Besides, my heart is here.
legendary
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Be a bank


Morgan Stanley predict jobless claims to 3.4m tomorrow. That is not an axis.

Stink bids.
legendary
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Be a bank
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I still have Bombay Sapphire but I’ve run out of Tonic Water.

Shit just got real!
legendary
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Be a bank
https://cointelegraph.com/news/why-todays-btc-difficulty-adjustment-may-cause-the-price-to-plunge
Ridiculous FUD but self-fulfilling probably and certainly coincidental to the next shocking stock market dump.
Get your stink bids in down to mindrust levels of cheap.
legendary
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Self made HODLER ✓
Not planning to buyback unless it goes back to $4k which is pretty much impossible.

If you are even 50% sure about this scenario then plz buy some and forget about it, if not then Best of luck for your future endeavors.

He has painted himself into a logical corner, and he is not likely to buy back shit, even if BTC prices were to go back to $4,900, it would not be enough for him because he would still be in a loss, and then if prices were to go to $4,500, that would not be enough because it is merely just breaking even for him, and the price could go lower..., and if the prices were to go to $4k, then he would not buy back either because it is too close to $3,850 which means that the price could go lower...  etc etc..

Yep. You got the picture. That's why I am only DCA'ing. I just erased my past bad memory. Starting from 2017 in 2020 again.  Cheesy


The only problem I see in that sensible plan... is that this is the second time you become a nocoiner:

Are you saying that in 2013, 2014, 2015 and much of 2016, you were not stacking bitcoin?  Even if you had stacked a small amount of perhaps $100 per month ($25-ish per week), you could have stacked a decently sized BTC holdings by the end of 2016, no?

I had 2-3 coins in 2013. (or 2014, I know I had them before the crash) I managed to cash out just from the top price $1000. I bought myself an ipad and a nice vacation. Then I told myself how clever I was for dumping that shit at the top. LoL suckers right?

Now I am buying back those coins from $6k+, I even bought some at $15k few months ago. That's how I sold low and bought *high.

*only for now. This time I know what's going on.
** I also didn't dump shit at $20k, only buying more.

Whatever you do now, my only advise is that whatever plan you do decide to follow, you do stick to it no matter what... Otherwise I would not be surprised if you do end being a nocoiner for a third time.
legendary
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Not planning to buyback unless it goes back to $4k which is pretty much impossible.

If you are even 50% sure about this scenario then plz buy some and forget about it, if not then Best of luck for your future endeavors.

He has painted himself into a logical corner, and he is not likely to buy back shit, even if BTC prices were to go back to $4,900, it would not be enough for him because he would still be in a loss, and then if prices were to go to $4,500, that would not be enough because it is merely just breaking even for him, and the price could go lower..., and if the prices were to go to $4k, then he would not buy back either because it is too close to $3,850 which means that the price could go lower...  etc etc..

Yep. You got the picture. That's why I am only DCA'ing. I just erased my past bad memory. Starting from 2017 in 2020 again.  Cheesy

Perhaps one could read some humor in that.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Like ground's hog day.... just keep doing it over and over and over until you get it right.  One of the problems with that fiction of ground's hog day is that in the meantime, you are getting older, so you don't get another opportunity to go into the stream at the same place, because the water is a bit different.
legendary
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Be a bank
It's thirteen o'clock on day 25 month 3 2023 and wave 7 of CoVid-21 has mostly cleared the herd as far over the Persian Gulf, killing a lightweight 4% this round. Europe is still largely aflame, but a few gentlemen have been seen gripping successfully to the far northern isles. The Cascadia-Mexico border is as intractable as ever, and UBI and MMT have reduced those once proud nations to rags, with cockroaches for sustenance and filthy water for drink. Bobville celebrates the first anniversary of its name change from Antananarivo and the continent is ruled with loving care as ever by He-Who-Abides.
There's a big fight on the Wall Observer Thread of Bitcointalk fame about whether the next halving has been priced in. Some say 'duh look at that massive volume spike and giant green dildo, that must be it' and some say 'you have to wait till after the halving for the pricing to kick in, trust me I was here back in 2020 and saw how it spiked to 256K in late 2021. Just give it a chance young padawan and your socks will be blown off'.
legendary
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Not planning to buyback unless it goes back to $4k which is pretty much impossible.

If you are even 50% sure about this scenario then plz buy some and forget about it, if not then Best of luck for your future endeavors.

I had a great system. I wasn't making big but it was adding up in time. The moment I started to throw big bucks like $5k+ I lost control. I wasn't buying the dip anymore.

I should not even have to say anything.

Just look at your above statements, they are internally contradictory.

You cannot have a "great" system that is only prepared for one direction (or mostly one direction, as long the other direction is not too extreme).  Get real.  We already know that bitcoin has extremes, and if you buy on the way down and then you cannot sustain your buys, you just have to stop buying and just ride it out.  We have said this like a thousand times in this thread... I mean we said it enough that the practice should mostly be ingrained.

So, yeah, one aspect about your above statement is that you acknowledge that you lost control and therefore that you went too far in terms of throwing too much of your fiat (reserves) at the down movement too quickly.

I am not going to portray myself as some kind of saint, any of us who are trying to employ a kind of system that both DCAs and buys on dips is likely to run into some kind of variation of the problem that you describe, which is running out of money while buying on the way down, and at some point, as long as we are not getting really retarded in terms of attempting to employ leverage, we either have to tapper our buys down drastically in terms of amounts or the increments of the buys or we have to just completely stop and just wait it out... which could even take several months if the situation becomes a bit way too far out of wack.    

When it comes to bitcoin, I can't be sure about anything.

Join the club, especially when it comes to short term.. but when it comes to longer term, that is what we have to keep in mind, so even though the short term can both out pace expectations, it can also last way the fuck longer than we would like to happen... So waiting it out, might mean that you are 70% underwater for a decent amount of time (maybe 3 to 10 months or perhaps even longer), and maybe you would just keep dollar cost averaging into such a situation.  I was in a similar situation in the last half of 2014, all of 2015 and the first half of 2016.  I was 65% down at several points, and spent a lot of 2015 in the 50%-ish down.

That's why I am overly conservative this time. DCA only.

Current situation is fucked up too. Everything can go down instantly tomorrow. I am hodling most of my cash in bank and even that's not safe.

Maybe that could be called conservative?  Switching over to dollars is not necessarily "conservative" because that is only one asset class, and so you end up having nearly all of your eggs in one basket.

I'd rather DCA. 50 bucks week. Not planning to buyback unless it goes back to $4k which is pretty much impossible. If it goes that low again you can be sure that it won't stop there so... DCA is the way. No dip buying, no big buying. 50 bucks week and that's it.

Even if goes below $4k again, I am not willing to risk more than %10 of my cash this time. I was too careless last time especially in the last months.

Waiting for a double price from here is gambling. I am fucking done with gambling.

Honestly after all whats said and done, if I had you in front of me, I would bitch slap you till you bought at least 50% of your coins back, i.e. 5, at these prices.
You did say you would ride it to zero, so fucking ride it to zero.

How can you keep on doing it wrong man?


I don't think that there is any right number, exactly, because once mindrust made the mistake of selling 10BTC ish at $4,500-ish and therefore going 100% into cash, there was some kind of calculation of factors.. NOT just the panic aspect but something else, also.

So, 50% might not be right.. but 20% to 30% or some number that is less than 50% might be right for the circumstances.  I actually don't know what that is, either, so I am not going to pretend to exactly be able to say what that number would be for mindrust. but I get your point, cryptotourist that likely anywhere between about zero and 20% might objectively be wrong numbers under almost any scenario.. including the fact that even mindrust is admitting that he made a mistake and regretting his decision and therefore, he is compounding one mistake on top of another.

I think that the number has to do with what realistic, true and not fantasy land probability mindrust assigns to up and what number he assigns to down (I could care less than two shits about whether he is correct or not or what number any of us assigns to the probability), and the amount that he puts back into BTC would some how make those numbers line up in such a way that his reinvestment back into BTC turns him into something close to a neutral in terms of how much emotions he attaches to either BTC price direction (and fuck it about whether he is right or not, that does not matter, because if he is lining up the numbers in such a way that he is emotionally neutral, the ultimate direction does not matter, and sure he can tweak along the way, too from time to time).. so his action would make him neutral and not give any shits either way.... something like that.

Of course, there is some kind of locking into taking these kinds of actions, but still when each of us takes an action like this, we are still empowered to do whatever we want, including changing it; however, if we truly engage with ourselves about our thinking about the asset, we should be able to make some kind of commitment that we do not have to change every time that BTC prices change by 3% or 5%.
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