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legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
How can mounting a USB stick on an AutoRun-disabled VM affect your host's BIOS? Honest question, I want to know.
Don’t lost track of the fact that USB is an acronym for Universal Serial Bus. That device could contain any number of USB endpoints, each implementing a different device class. What if one of the endpoints identifies as a Human Interface Device — for example a keyboard — and injects a number of commands to the system? From the users perspective, invisibly. Or even deeper, a bridge device, giving it access to the underlying I2C bus - maybe even the SMB?
Yeah, but who is going to maintain the discipline required to ensure any potential infection does not spread from the separate PC to others in your stable?

There is the Yubikey which types for you like a USB keyboard. There is that Rubber Ducky, which types like a USB keyboard and can type like it was there at 100 words per second or something as fast as a keyboard will accept, such as Windows-R, CMD, and do any number of commands from the command prompt.

https://shop.hak5.org/products/usb-rubber-ducky-deluxe


As for virgin clean PC's, I used to (and still do) use something called Deep Freeze, reboot to restore thing. If the host computer it's installed on gets infected, before it can propagate any problems to the rest of the network (assuming you disconnected it physically from the rest of the network), you just reboot, and it's back as new, as if it was never updated.

Most malware is unaware of it's existence. It's great for setting up kiosks that provide internet access through regular browsers. At the end of the session, reboot, it's back to the way it was. If you need to update anything, reboot, turn it off, update, reboot, and it will stay that way.

In theory, it can still be hacked, but in practice it's as if the whole computer is one giant VM. Reboot, and it's back to the way it was yesterday.

If you need to save data or files or documents, you save them on a different drive or partition or folder designated as such. But the rest of the OS, reboot, and it goes back to the way it was.
legendary
Activity: 2702
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Free spirit
BEG, borrow or steal
legendary
Activity: 3416
Merit: 1912
The Concierge of Crypto
Remember guys, it's time in the market, not timing the market.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1688
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
When I want to read a "dangerous" USB stick, I launch my "test VM" in VMware and mount it there. AutoRun is disabled on both the host and the guest OS. Never had any issues in 25 years of Windows computing.

How can mounting a USB stick on an AutoRun-disabled VM affect your host's BIOS? Honest question, I want to know.

Well, I must admit that I don’t know all the possible attack vectors. But as one potentially eye-opening matter, your example of ‘AutoRun’ indicates you are assuming that the device identifies only as a storage class device, and that said storage device contains only a filesystem that is know to Windows.

Don’t lost track of the fact that USB is an acronym for Universal Serial Bus. That device could contain any number of USB endpoints, each implementing a different device class. What if one of the endpoints identifies as a Human Interface Device — for example a keyboard — and injects a number of commands to the system? From the users perspective, invisibly. Or even deeper, a bridge device, giving it access to the underlying I2C bus - maybe even the SMB?

What you're saying makes sense, I did assume that we were talking about a storage class device. I admit I wasn't aware of the "BadUSB" exploit. Will look it up, thanks for this. I guess I was lucky enough to not receive a "BadUSB" device (or maybe I did, and not aware of it?).

As others have pointed out, the best option is a separate, clean PC, with everything sanitized after use by restoring from known, clean images.

@jojo69, @xyzzy099, @vapourminer, also thanks -- merited.

Yeah, but who is going to maintain the discipline required to ensure any potential infection does not spread from the separate PC to others in your stable?

What does your sanitization consist of? Just filesystem drive? Just disk? How do you know you’ve not been victim of a BIOS hack, which is unlikely to be recovered from, and may propagate to other machines if you are not careful never to use same storage device between machines.

In the end, there is no perfect security. This is true. It is all a tradeoff. I guess all I’d like to advocate for are: have some idea of the risks, and; I doubt the proabability of finding satoshi’s private keys on some rando USB device found in the street is anywhere near the probability of falling victim to a simple intentional exploit.
legendary
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Another Trilegendary. Wink

edit: I don't know what I was thinking, I seemed to see 2997 Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 4393
Be a bank

@jojo69, @xyzzy099, @vapourminer, also thanks -- merited.
those guys are like 150 years old
each
legendary
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Btw last time we past Vegeta we went up pretty fast, remember Vegeta is an iconic character with some real dragon ball Z powers.... One that doesn't let himself to be taken easily... Never saw the episodes? The guy is extremely powerful, probably BTC will be the only one to truly defeat him, time will tell when.

Wait... what?

Now, I never was much interested in Dragon Ball Z, but my kid used to watch it all the time, so I’ve been exposed. Accordingly, I may be laboring under a misconception. But...

My understanding is that it is not Vegeta whose power is over 9000. Rather, Vegeta is describing the power of some other character.

No?
Correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT7u8R2d8hc / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17zNW-wz35E (dont click if you have epiletic seizures Undecided )
Goku he is the one on my hat for reference.
And to keep it stable. Someone suggested it being him in his Ultra Instinct blue. Embarrassed

We need another hero to emerge for $10,000! Maybe the Hoff? Grin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY
David Hasselhoff - True Survivor from Kung Fury.
.. "hear the ticking of the countdown clocks tonight" "We need some action, if we want to take our love from here!"  Grin
"The phoenix rises again!"


Haha. That’s spectacular. Never seen that before - thanks.

By some odd conincidence, last night was the first time I became aware of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMMe1drnZY

Dip? In these times of hardship, always remember. We. Are. Groot.
Yeah, he is an 80's icon we can all be certain his legacy will never die in the face of destruction. Grin
Grabbed it from the playlist here of many other retro tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY&list=RDZTidn2dBYbY&index=1
Here is one you will like since they have a bear at the beginning which bares a strikingly resemblance to you!
Just a bit more happier. Cheesy

https://youtu.be/PJQVlVHsFF8
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 4839
Addicted to HoDLing!
When I want to read a "dangerous" USB stick, I launch my "test VM" in VMware and mount it there. AutoRun is disabled on both the host and the guest OS. Never had any issues in 25 years of Windows computing.

How can mounting a USB stick on an AutoRun-disabled VM affect your host's BIOS? Honest question, I want to know.

Well, I must admit that I don’t know all the possible attack vectors. But as one potentially eye-opening matter, your example of ‘AutoRun’ indicates you are assuming that the device identifies only as a storage class device, and that said storage device contains only a filesystem that is know to Windows.

Don’t lost track of the fact that USB is an acronym for Universal Serial Bus. That device could contain any number of USB endpoints, each implementing a different device class. What if one of the endpoints identifies as a Human Interface Device — for example a keyboard — and injects a number of commands to the system? From the users perspective, invisibly. Or even deeper, a bridge device, giving it access to the underlying I2C bus - maybe even the SMB?

What you're saying makes sense, I did assume that we were talking about a storage class device. I admit I wasn't aware of the "BadUSB" exploit. Will look it up, thanks for this. I guess I was lucky enough to not receive a "BadUSB" device (or maybe I did, and not aware of it?).

As others have pointed out, the best option is a separate, clean PC, with everything sanitized after use by restoring from known, clean images.

@jojo69, @xyzzy099, @vapourminer, also thanks -- merited.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 2053
Free spirit
What protects your BIOS/FW? What protects your hypervisor?

OK if you are an idiot with only 1 PC don't do it. I agree

at this point everyone here should have a few throwaway laptops lying around for sacrificial moments.  no hd or wireless, use a live cd on r/o optical if you really want to inspect random flashdrives. even then it can get a persistent infection that survives power cycling.



I mean I'm not picking up random drives.

But if I did what they gonna hijack?  just my latest Gerald Celente video or something.

Maybe wall observer. If I start acting weird assume I'm burned.



legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1688
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
Btw last time we past Vegeta we went up pretty fast, remember Vegeta is an iconic character with some real dragon ball Z powers.... One that doesn't let himself to be taken easily... Never saw the episodes? The guy is extremely powerful, probably BTC will be the only one to truly defeat him, time will tell when.

Wait... what?

Now, I never was much interested in Dragon Ball Z, but my kid used to watch it all the time, so I’ve been exposed. Accordingly, I may be laboring under a misconception. But...

My understanding is that it is not Vegeta whose power is over 9000. Rather, Vegeta is describing the power of some other character.

No?
Correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT7u8R2d8hc / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17zNW-wz35E (dont click if you have epiletic seizures Undecided )
Goku he is the one on my hat for reference.
And to keep it stable. Someone suggested it being him in his Ultra Instinct blue. Embarrassed

We need another hero to emerge for $10,000! Maybe the Hoff? Grin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY
David Hasselhoff - True Survivor from Kung Fury.
.. "hear the ticking of the countdown clocks tonight" "We need some action, if we want to take our love from here!"  Grin
"The phoenix rises again!"


Haha. That’s spectacular. Never seen that before - thanks.

By some odd conincidence, last night was the first time I became aware of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMMe1drnZY

Dip? In these times of hardship, always remember. We. Are. Groot.
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
What protects your BIOS/FW? What protects your hypervisor?

OK if you are an idiot with only 1 PC don't do it. I agree

at this point everyone here should have a few throwaway laptops lying around for sacrificial moments.  no hd or wireless, use a live cd on r/o optical if you really want to inspect random flashdrives. even then it can get a persistent infection that survives power cycling.

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
Holy shit you guys just use a different computer for suspicious shit and then chug it.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1688
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
Exactly. I always do this, and also use VM to test-drive apps before installing on my main (host) PC. No viruses, no malware, no corruptions, no problems!

Edit: ...and always disable AutoRun after a Windows installation.

Always do ... what? Always attach found USB to a computer running Knoppix from write-only media? Always attach found USB to a computer running a VM? Always attach found USB to a computer running Knoppix from write-only media within a VM? Great.

What protects your BIOS/FW? What protects your hypervisor?

When I want to read a "dangerous" USB stick, I launch my "test VM" in VMware and mount it there. AutoRun is disabled on both the host and the guest OS. Never had any issues in 25 years of Windows computing.

How can mounting a USB stick on an AutoRun-disabled VM affect your host's BIOS? Honest question, I want to know.

Well, I must admit that I don’t know all the possible attack vectors. But as one potentially eye-opening matter, your example of ‘AutoRun’ indicates you are assuming that the device identifies only as a storage class device, and that said storage device contains only a filesystem that is know to Windows.

Don’t lost track of the fact that USB is an acronym for Universal Serial Bus. That device could contain any number of USB endpoints, each implementing a different device class. What if one of the endpoints identifies as a Human Interface Device — for example a keyboard — and injects a number of commands to the system? From the users perspective, invisibly. Or even deeper, a bridge device, giving it access to the underlying I2C bus - maybe even the SMB?
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 4393
Be a bank
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
Welp, just bought. Another .15 in my pocket. Time for bed.

I still expect it could go lower, say 40% chance? But good enough for me.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 4393
Be a bank
The bottom must be near

sr. member
Activity: 1197
Merit: 482
Don't worry folks, I've got a nice chunk of fiat making its way through various systems to eventually make a buy. It's pretty much guaranteed we'll be back at the yearly high before I can make the purchase.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 2053
Free spirit
Ooof I just bitcoinwisdomed

I see now ouch
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1748
I am not expecting much lower..  he said (risking looking foolish within hours).

I reckon it'll stop not much lower, above 8400.  Maybe a little higher - but not lower.  

If not all my charts need heavy re-calibration.  My 2 satoshis. I will post reasons if I am not wrong.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1126
It's all mathematics...!
I wonder what became of cousin nutildah's BSV short. Grin

I know what happened to my BCH short  Wink


Congrats. To both of you, I might imagine.

For my part, my balls are as big as my bags.

Big balls aren't always a good thing ... 😳 This Johnny Dangerously video is a classic lol!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Et2G6R0MuK8
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