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I don't see ask-side walls as anything but an attempt to lower the price to buy more bitcoins later....
Why else would you do such a thing?

There are at least two more plausible explanations:

2. Someone considers bitcoins overvalued at 21.00 and is willing to part with 25K of his holdings at this price point.  He announces this intention publicly to see if there is anyone with an opposite market view willing to be a counter-party for this transaction. Why does not he just sell it all in small portions? Well, in a thinly traded instruments such as BTCUSD it is just impossible. You cannot easily exit big positions without driving the price down quite a bit.

3. A long-term BTC holder is concerned about another short-term bubble-and-burst pattern forming. So he sends a message to whomever pumps the price up to be more careful about it. Once the people see that a lot of bitcoins are available for sale at a specific price point, they'd be less likely to fall for bubble-inducing propaganda such as: "OMG, this is the last change to buy BTC below XX.XX!"

I still think that your initial explanation is right though. Most likely, this is just a phantom scare-wall that's going to disappear once the price gets close to it. But we're not going to find out for sure until someone actually tries to buy into this wall.  
With #2, the best thing to do would be to split the ask between several exchanges, but I suppose an explanation for that would be that the buyer just doesn't trust any other exchange.

Ahh... yeah, #3 inparticular crossed my mind after I posted.  If I had a large stake in bitcoins, I might be a bit concerned about two previous run-ups that then resulted in a dramatic collapse.... though, if the price were to reach my $21 wall and start eating a decent sized chunk out of it, I'd still either remove it or move it back a 'safe distance' (or *possibly* if the bids were especially weak, I may consider doing something like a market sell of 500 of those BTC, in hopes of causing a mini-panic in order to buy back at a lower price, doesn't look like it'd be too rough to collapse it to 20.12).

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Even with the very healthy bid side, dumping such an amount of coins would still yield a significant spread. Part of the game is also to sell higher than everybody else does, which doesn't necessarily mean that they gonna buy back. Creating a wall is one of the easiest ways to archive that.
A wall that big simply encourages people to build in asks right in front of it....  someone with that many bitcoins should either hire a broker to do the selling for them, or at least have some means of monitoring it at regular intervals....  so then something like 500 BTC "walls" makes a lot more sense.  It also gives you the opportunity to sell the remainder at even higher prices... if someone is going to buy your whole chunk of 12000 or whatever it is at $21, then you probably missed out on some even greater potential profits.

(ed:  there's also the whole 0.01 sell going on, to make the price look artificially lower)

of course, all this could have a good purpose if there's some way to short sell bitcoins that i'm unaware of
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Ahh throwbacks! I like this guy, had me check.

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I don't see ask-side walls as anything but an attempt to lower the price to buy more bitcoins later....

at least as long as bitcoins aren't shortable.

Why else would you do such a thing?

If somebody thinks the price is "good enough".
Fraudulently obtained BTC in which case the price isn't that important since they were more or less free.
Somebody needing to spend BTC for USD in the case of payment processing with merchants. (This is pretty much the case with the whole bitpay and SR business and Avalon/BFL)

well, you wouldn't scare off buyers by placing that huge of a wall.  preferably, you'd set a buy wall far enough back where it wouldnt be hit, then sell gradually as bids build in...    or if you don't have the funds to do the buy wall, set smaller walls incrementally, or just do market sells every few hrs, as bids build in

if it was fradulently obtained BTC, i'd think they'd be perfectly happy just to do a market sell, and drop it down to $18.50 or so.

ed:  with depth so easily visible to the public and no way to sell short (maybe I'm mistaken here?), it just doesnt make sense to make a $400,000 wall on the ask side. 



Even with the very healthy bid side, dumping such an amount of coins would still yield a significant spread. Part of the game is also to sell higher than everybody else does, which doesn't necessarily mean that they gonna buy back. Creating a wall is one of the easiest ways to archive that.
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Various bear ramblings:

20'ish looks more and more sticky. Is sideways possible at  this price level or is this the wavery top pattern we learned to know so well last year?

Will the size of dumps increase if we go beyond $21?

16xx Asks and 72xx bids, the orderbook is shrinking, still the ask side is shrinking faster.

Avalon preorders created a demand, but are they going to cash out if they fear that their profits are at risk?

Number of transactions have been falling since mid January http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular


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I don't see ask-side walls as anything but an attempt to lower the price to buy more bitcoins later....

at least as long as bitcoins aren't shortable.

Why else would you do such a thing?

If somebody thinks the price is "good enough".
Fraudulently obtained BTC in which case the price isn't that important since they were more or less free.
Somebody needing to spend BTC for USD in the case of payment processing with merchants. (This is pretty much the case with the whole bitpay and SR business and Avalon/BFL)

well, you wouldn't scare off buyers by placing that huge of a wall.  preferably, you'd set a buy wall far enough back where it wouldnt be hit, then sell gradually as bids build in...    or if you don't have the funds to do the buy wall, set smaller walls incrementally, or just do market sells every few hrs, as bids build in

if it was fradulently obtained BTC, i'd think they'd be perfectly happy just to do a market sell, and drop it down to $18.50 or so.

ed:  with depth so easily visible to the public and no way to sell short (maybe I'm mistaken here?), it just doesnt make sense to make a $400,000 wall on the ask side. 

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I don't see ask-side walls as anything but an attempt to lower the price to buy more bitcoins later....

at least as long as bitcoins aren't shortable.

Why else would you do such a thing?

If somebody thinks the price is "good enough".
Fraudulently obtained BTC in which case the price isn't that important since they were more or less free.
Somebody needing to spend BTC for USD in the case of payment processing with merchants. (This is pretty much the case with the whole bitpay and SR business and Avalon/BFL)
zvs
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I don't see ask-side walls as anything but an attempt to lower the price to buy more bitcoins later....

at least as long as bitcoins aren't shortable.

Why else would you do such a thing?
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dem wall!



A scare-wall? I need a 15k wall on the bid side @20.65$, until I've finished my coffee!!! C'mon whales!

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up or down, up or down.........

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dem wall!

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I hope to wake up above $21  Grin


Okay look you are now above $21 see you're up there ^^^^
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I hope to wake up above $21  Grin
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Unbelievable!

it really does boggle the mind, doesn't it? we all thought we understood this whole bitcoin thing ot one degree or another, but i've yet to see anyone not floored by this action. Cheesy

seriously, people are dumping dollars like they're worthless! unsustainable craziness

If I have learned anything about craziness it is that is is surprisingly sustainable.
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i mean its not like he's not smart or anything; he draws all those beautiful lines and numbers.  it's a sight to behold.  his targets are quite striking; even makes me sit up.  and all the different options.  wow, that takes effort.
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The weekend dip 'myth' is a byproduct of people dumping stocks, shares or securities on wednesdays and thursdays, you knew that, right?
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you know with lucif missing a 61.5% rally with his TA, you now realize why we won the Cold War.

He couldn't even properly read his indicator, he posted an graph to show that the ADX had topped, like it was in June 2011, but failed to notice that his ADX peak occured just before the rally to $31, when the price was at around $20 something, and immediately afterwards the price rushed up, with ADX only making a lower peak at the all-time top.
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you know with lucif missing a 61.5% rally with his TA, you now realize why we won the Cold War.
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you know we have to abolish this Weekend Dip myth thingy.

And call it the weekend rise?

that sounds good.
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