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hero member
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What I would like to see is someone actually sell something at a competitive rate instead of jacking it up 3-10%.
Have you really looked yourself? Take precious metals for example. Marked up. Take these shopping sites or auction
sites that accept bitcoin. All marked up.

People are just buying stuff.. with USD (for example) and then selling it for more and think that just because they take
bitcoin that I will buy it. No.. that is not how to succeed.

One has to create a site, invest 10-20K, buy useful things at wholesale prices, sell cheaper then amazon, eat ramen
noodles for a few years until critical mass is reached and they make some good money. That is how a business starts
out and succeeds.

Plus I do not gamble, buy drugs, etc.. so there goes 90% of the bitcoin economy for me. :-|

Bitcoin shopping has no advantages right now. No protection, no cost savings, no perks, etc..

jjgames.com - 10% with bitcoin (got my xbox 360 from there)
bitcoinstore.com - I haven't surveyed every item in the store, but I got my wireless ap 10% cheaper than the same item on newegg.com
My logo I'm using in my avatar - made by a user on this forum for a rate that was figurativley a steal
bittrivia.com - Not gambling exactly but I guess you might consider it such, also a fun way to pass some time

I literally just came up with these without hesitation and these are all examples I have personally used.  Again, if you don't care about BTC and just see it as a way to get some extra USD I can't argue with that and you can do what you want. But you cannot do that and simultaneously complain that you can't do more with BTC with a straight face.

Edit: Again I make this argument with the caveat that I understand if you are literally paying bills with BTC you do not have an alternative.
sr. member
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Ja ok, but in reality its not cheaper and there is not much to buy. An online shop overseas, no. I am just not a friend of the over idealistic, "Bitcoin saves the world" shit. Its still money, just better money and I'd like use it all over the web. Maybe I am all wrong for being a fucking  speculator^^

Your giving me claims I didn't make. I didn't say bitcoin was going to save anything. fcmatt said he wanted to buy directly from manufacturers and I said that if he wants that to happen he/we'll need to do what we can to make it more appealing to those groups, i.e. actually spend bitcoin.  Speculating and dumping does not further that goal.

meh, I thought it is what I am observing. So sorry. Sometimes I say whats on my mind.  Tongue
Anyways, we both agree about the fact that we need much more acceptance in the different societies for Bitcoin.

But miners like fcmatt who are not just mining and hording, are very important to the community. I wan't virgin coins, too^^ (talking about distribution) He probably knows best how much profit he did not make, but there is absolutly nothing wrong with it, as long as it covers electricity and hardware cost..
legendary
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did anyone else notice we just broke the 4 month high from mid-August (an eternity in bitcoin time)

No, I didn't actually.  

I think one of my problems with spending btc on stuff is that all the things that I could actually save money on is
already free for me. I work for an ISP so I do not need hosting, vpn access, virtual servers, hardware, etc...
So I want physical goods or the ability to pay entities that do not care about bitcoin.

I bet for others they can easily find a few things if they are a IT hobbyist type and need that stuff.

I mean, if you really don't care if BTC sticks around, takes off, has more people that accept it than yea, that works. What you can't say is that you wish more people would accept it, but then just cash out anyways. These are two contradictory statements.

What I would like to see is someone actually sell something at a competitive rate instead of jacking it up 3-10%.
Have you really looked yourself? Take precious metals for example. Marked up. Take these shopping sites or auction
sites that accept bitcoin. All marked up.

People are just buying stuff.. with USD (for example) and then selling it for more and think that just because they take
bitcoin that I will buy it. No.. that is not how to succeed.

One has to create a site, invest 10-20K, buy useful things at wholesale prices, sell cheaper then amazon, eat ramen
noodles for a few years until critical mass is reached and they make some good money. That is how a business starts
out and succeeds.

Plus I do not gamble, buy drugs, etc.. so there goes 90% of the bitcoin economy for me. :-|

Bitcoin shopping has no advantages right now. No protection, no cost savings, no perks, etc..
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
did anyone else notice we just broke the 4 month high from mid-August (an eternity in bitcoin time)

No, I didn't actually. 

I think one of my problems with spending btc on stuff is that all the things that I could actually save money on is
already free for me. I work for an ISP so I do not need hosting, vpn access, virtual servers, hardware, etc...
So I want physical goods or the ability to pay entities that do not care about bitcoin.

I bet for others they can easily find a few things if they are a IT hobbyist type and need that stuff.

I mean, if you really don't care if BTC sticks around, takes off, has more people that accept it than yea, that works. What you can't say is that you wish more people would accept it, but then just cash out anyways. These are two contradictory statements.
donator
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did anyone else notice we just broke the 4 month high from mid-August (an eternity in bitcoin time)
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1001
I think one of my problems with spending btc on stuff is that all the things that I could actually save money on is
already free for me. I work for an ISP so I do not need hosting, vpn access, virtual servers, hardware, etc...
So I want physical goods or the ability to pay entities that do not care about bitcoin.

I bet for others they can easily find a few things if they are a IT hobbyist type and need that stuff.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Ja ok, but in reality its not cheaper and there is not much to buy. An online shop overseas, no. I am just not a friend of the over idealistic, "Bitcoin saves the world" shit. Its still money, just better money and I'd like use it all over the web. Maybe I am all wrong for being a fucking  speculator^^

Your giving me claims I didn't make. I didn't say bitcoin was going to save anything. fcmatt said he wanted to buy directly from manufacturers and I said that if he wants that to happen he/we'll need to do what we can to make it more appealing to those groups, i.e. actually spend bitcoin.  Speculating and dumping does not further that goal.
sr. member
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mccorvic, are you living at your mumys house or do you actually have to deal with income?

Not sure what I did to get you all upset, but geez. I would prefer you try harder in creating troll bait though.

Now, maybe you failed to read but fcmatt said he was done "speculating". He did say "I sold my btc to pay rent/pay bills/whatever". Of course I realize that no one can pay all these things atm with BTC.  But just cashing out to buy things that are available with BTC is kinda against the whole point imo.

Please be less mad.

Ja ok, but in reality its not cheaper and there is not much to buy. An online shop overseas, no. I am just not a friend of the over idealistic, "Bitcoin saves the world" shit. Its still money, just better money and I'd like use it all over the web. Maybe I am all wrong for being a fucking  speculator^^
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
mccorvic, are you living at your mumys house or do you actually have to deal with income?

Not sure what I did to get you all upset, but geez. I would prefer you try harder in creating troll bait though.

Now, maybe you failed to read but fcmatt said he was done "speculating". He did say "I sold my btc to pay rent/pay bills/whatever". Of course I realize that no one can pay all these things atm with BTC.  But just cashing out to buy things that are available with BTC is kinda against the whole point imo.

Please be less mad.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
well i am done speculating. sold my bitcoins at 13.82 that i mined over the last weeks.
price should shoot up shortly. that is all.

You didn't follow my first rule of BTC! Hold or spend, never sell or speculate.

I sorta followed it. I want USD so I can spend it. Buying stuff with bitcoins and pay more then it is worth so
some person can make 3-10% off of me? No thanks. That is the main problem with buying things with bitcoin.
Everyone seems to be a reseller who wants a cut. We need the actual manufacturers to start selling things.
Or at the very least people buying in wholesale quantity and matching prices seen elsewhere.

I don't know where you shop, but almost all sites I go to seem to give 10% OFF just for using btc. Cheesy That or things I can't buy with USD anyways (no, not from SR!)  But see, that's also why my rule says never sell! We gotta prove that people will use BTC before the bigger fish will become interested.

It's a chicken and egg problem, and we're the chicken! Best. Metaphor. Ever.

mccorvic, are you living at your mumys house or do you actually have to deal with income? Sorry if it seems harsh to you.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
well i am done speculating. sold my bitcoins at 13.82 that i mined over the last weeks.
price should shoot up shortly. that is all.

You didn't follow my first rule of BTC! Hold or spend, never sell or speculate.

I sorta followed it. I want USD so I can spend it. Buying stuff with bitcoins and pay more then it is worth so
some person can make 3-10% off of me? No thanks. That is the main problem with buying things with bitcoin.
Everyone seems to be a reseller who wants a cut. We need the actual manufacturers to start selling things.
Or at the very least people buying in wholesale quantity and matching prices seen elsewhere.

I don't know where you shop, but almost all sites I go to seem to give 10% OFF just for using btc. Cheesy That or things I can't buy with USD anyways (no, not from SR!)  But see, that's also why my rule says never sell! We gotta prove that people will use BTC before the bigger fish will become interested.

It's a chicken and egg problem, and we're the chicken! Best. Metaphor. Ever.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1001
well i am done speculating. sold my bitcoins at 13.82 that i mined over the last weeks.
price should shoot up shortly. that is all.

You didn't follow my first rule of BTC! Hold or spend, never sell or speculate.

I sorta followed it. I want USD so I can spend it. Buying stuff with bitcoins and pay more then it is worth so
some person can make 3-10% off of me? No thanks. That is the main problem with buying things with bitcoin.
Everyone seems to be a reseller who wants a cut. We need the actual manufacturers to start selling things.
Or at the very least people buying in wholesale quantity and matching prices seen elsewhere.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
well i am done speculating. sold my bitcoins at 13.82 that i mined over the last weeks.
price should shoot up shortly. that is all.

You didn't follow my first rule of BTC! Hold or spend, never sell or speculate.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1001
well i am done speculating. sold my bitcoins at 13.82 that i mined over the last weeks.
price should shoot up shortly. that is all.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL

cool, but what is a node?

Someone running a full client (the Satoshi client).
What are these different colors?

I don't know.
sr. member
Activity: 252
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Traders hiding their coins  Cheesy
Too much new Euros and Dollars.
Bears escaped to buy gold, lol.

hero member
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cool, but what is a node?

Someone running a full client (the Satoshi client).
What are these different colors?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
No more 10K BTC bullets?    Undecided
sr. member
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Somebody or something using the satoshi client. But I can't see changes since I last viewed this chart.

/ I was just excited about that 10K BTC/EUR wall popping up, not so usual.
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