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Topic: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - page 964. (Read 1811714 times)

legendary
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Roll Eyes

the thing is their is no reason for this bearish trend right now.
last year their was some serious bad news and major hacks, and this scared off alot of people.
now there is only good news ( and some exchange site getting  hacked doesn't scare anyone anymore )

IMO when we saw the rise to 15, and then the dump to 8, this was reward halving being priced in;

now people will continue to unload coins until they see some major support Pop-up

and since their is no really good reason for bitcoin's price to drop, this support will Pop-up faster then most think.

we are here now!

10.xx is where the first major support will be, and I don't think the bears are packing THAT much heat, so it could very well be enough support to kill the bears!

Well pirate40, the bitfloor hacker has to liquidate their millions of dollar worth of coins sooner or later. Plus the latest GLBSE fiasco probably made many people get their coins back from GLBSE or the issuers and sell, since there's obviously a major downtrend going on.
legendary
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Then again, bitcoins are trading at $10.?? per USD. Ten times the fiat issued by the largest and most powerful country the world has ever seen. Either bitcoins are WAY over priced ,or we have something here that is more revolutionary than the invention of the PRINTING PRESS. (Oh the irony).

..you shouldn't put too much weight in the absolute price. The relative price movements are much more interesting. If you want to focus on the absolute price, watch the mining costs/difficulty and emission rate..
Or, from a different point of view: How much would change if everyone agreed to make the dollar tenfold as "valuable"? You take existing banknotes and cross out the last zero. Even easier with electronic accounts. Same with price for goods and Forex exchange rates. Maybe call it "nDollar" from then on.
So, what would change? Nothing.

Is the Yen better or worse than US$? Come on, 80,000 Yen for one ounce of gold? Sounds ridiculous, not? ;-)

Oh, and eventually, we will be happy there are eight decimal points in Bitcoin, too..

Ente
legendary
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HODL OR DIE
Part of me remembers the long slow grind from bubble highs to $2 and I fear we are in some sort of endless downswing. That said, as adam has pointed out there is really no reason to be negative bitcoin right now and I agree. The ECB report was basically amazing. While there is limited traction at the moment in terms of new services accepting bitcoin I don't see the downside as being real. Then again, bitcoins are trading at $10.?? per USD. Ten times the fiat issued by the largest and most powerful country the world has ever seen. Either bitcoins are WAY over priced ,or we have something here that is more revolutionary than the invention of the PRINTING PRESS. (Oh the irony).
sr. member
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Low demand in UK keeping prices low? New services might bring it up again.
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legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
can someone please post a wall pic
legendary
Activity: 1904
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Trusted Bitcoiner
 Roll Eyes

the thing is their is no reason for this bearish trend right now.
last year their was some serious bad news and major hacks, and this scared off alot of people.
now there is only good news ( and some exchange site getting  hacked doesn't scare anyone anymore )

IMO when we saw the rise to 15, and then the dump to 8, this was reward halving being priced in;

now people will continue to unload coins until they see some major support Pop-up

and since their is no really good reason for bitcoin's price to drop, this support will Pop-up faster then most think.

we are here now!

10.xx is where the first major support will be, and I don't think the bears are packing THAT much heat, so it could very well be enough support to kill the bears!
sr. member
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So at what point your theory is toast? ~9.8 something from last week?

if ten breaks (for good) then ya, my perdition is toast, and the plunge will dive DEEP

I think we're facing a longer bear phase.
I dunno what cypherdoc and S3052 say. But this is still a good viewpoint:
http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/long-term-update-weekly-view-at-mtg

legendary
Activity: 1904
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Trusted Bitcoiner
So at what point your theory is toast? ~9.8 something from last week?

if ten breaks (for good) then ya, my perdition is toast, and the plunge will dive DEEP
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1038
Trusted Bitcoiner
It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

yup looks like a bottom ( on one wants to sell coins for less then 10$ )

watching for high  volume / low price moment to make it definite.

I'm assuming you're just trolling like I do sometimes.

no, i really do think we are at the bottom, and i expect someone to dump into an unlimited amount of support. just wait till you see this high volume / low price moment 1 day candle get painted.

we will stay stable until this candle appears.

I changed my mind. We are going down.  Grin

well ya that's unavoidable... no one is about to buy it up, they will however support a stable 10.xx no matter what the cost, hence the prediction of the  high volume / low price moment candle.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
So at what point your theory is toast? ~9.8 something from last week?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

yup looks like a bottom ( on one wants to sell coins for less then 10$ )

watching for high  volume / low price moment to make it definite.

I'm assuming you're just trolling like I do sometimes.

no, i really do think we are at the bottom, and i expect someone to dump into an unlimited amount of support. just wait till you see this high volume / low price moment 1 day candle get painted.

we will stay stable until this candle appears.

I changed my mind. We are going down.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1038
Trusted Bitcoiner
It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

yup looks like a bottom ( on one wants to sell coins for less then 10$ )

watching for high  volume / low price moment to make it definite.

I'm assuming you're just trolling like I do sometimes.

no, i really do think we are at the bottom, and i expect someone to dump into an unlimited amount of support. just wait till you see this high volume / low price moment 1 day candle get painted.

we will stay stable until this candle appears.
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1311
It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

yup looks like a bottom ( on one wants to sell coins for less then 10$ )

watching for high  volume / low price moment to make it definite.

I'm assuming you're just trolling like I do sometimes.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1038
Trusted Bitcoiner
It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

yup looks like a bottom ( on one wants to sell coins for less then 10$ )

watching for high  volume / low price moment to make it definite.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1038
Trusted Bitcoiner

Things I already learned the expensive way:
- first plan often is better than second plan
- decide, then stick to it
- wait long enough for it


+1

I learnt this the hard way too...

sr. member
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It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided

But why for not you dump the 100K BTC for the us to be buying at much prices cheaper?

Wink
full member
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It doesn't feel like we are going to go much lower  Undecided
legendary
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..and if I was to buy in again, with a huge loss, I can be sure it will drop like a stone two days later!

I bought back in yesterday and the day before.
You will *never* guess what happened then!

Jimmies: rustled

Ente

Ente since you seem to be self-described as a terrible trader let me suggest a trading strategy that works if you are a long term bull (if you believe in the long term success of bitcoin).

1. Don't sell at a loss.  If you get caught in a bull trap, move those coins into your long term holdings.
2. If the price declines significantly (by 25% or 50% you choose), buy what you can and trade those until this $ is caught above again (see 1).
3. If the underlying security really is a very long term bull, the lower it goes the better you'll eventually do...
4. Profit! :-)

Note that this degenerates in a bear market (if you keep getting caught) into the well known long term dollar cost averaging strategy

A similar, more constrained strategy is when the price drops in half, recheck fundamentals (i.e. is the outlook still very long term bullish?) and double your investment.  This can be a very lucrative strategy because you end up with twice as much at the lower price as at the higher so if you get a full retracement to your original price you are way ahead.

If you pick the wrong security and it ultimately goes out of business... well, you lose! :-)



Thanks for the plan!
Yes, that's a kind of difficulty level I feel comfortable with :-P

It seems like I repeatedly have the problem to buy in too late/expensive. Being long-term bull, I have no problem sitting on my bitcoins and seeing the exchange rate drop.
My problems come when I think "hey, everything looks obvious that the rate will drop in the next days! I sell now to buy back in with a profit!" and then the price just keeps on climbing. Eventually I buy back in, at a loss (and then the price drops like a stone).

Currently, and normally, I have no fiat laying around (on Gox etc). I am 100% bitcoin, and sell only to play a round of "bad speculator". So when the price drops, like now, I can't even buy additional bitcoins..

Things I already learned the expensive way:
- first plan often is better than second plan
- decide, then stick to it
- wait long enough for it

Thank you people for your thoughts!
Maybe a new thread is due?

Ente
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