Topic: Wall Observer Thread locked? (Read 2054 times)

I believe that his account was hacked, and then he was not willing to spend time to recover the account-since he had lost access to some of his possible proof of ownership methods and he did not want to be bothered.  Maybe admins would know better if he had actually made any attempts to recover his account?

I'll vote for the protection of that thread, it has historical value and a culture that more or less gives it value so it may as well exist in its terrible form and shape until that new forum that we were all told we would migrate to a few years ago is built and developed then it can die a natural death
But thanks for the poll options Theymos lot of interesting choices there.
Also when did Adam get banned that explains some of its wildness lol.

I'm seeing conflicting opinions here, so I created a poll: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-to-do-with-the-wall-observer-thread-1993570

Hey, that sounds reasonable enough to me. Agree with Quickseller though - would be good to at least have a link back to Speculation.

Cheers.


It is a superficial solution and deserves nothing more than derision.

It's likely that staff/mods have got flooded with a huge load of reported posts, coming from people who don't understand that the wall observer thread shouldn't be taken all too serious.

These people don't see the fun and value of this thread, and report posts there out of bitterness. People should mind their own business. It's quite simple, if you don't like it, then don't click on it.

The popularity of the Wall Observer thread grew organically.

I'm sure most forums would love to have such a thing occur.

I don't understand why a forum would want to stifle that organic growth.

I mean... is there an argument to be made that the Wall Observer thread was harmful to the forum? If so, can you also argue that the harm was greater than the good.

Having a pressure release valve is desirable.

I had seen random quotes of the WO thread in various news places, and even fairly recently, within the past several months.  I doubt that my spending time to further research into the matter and citing various locations in which it was quoted would make any kind of difference because it seems that owner and moderators already have their minds made up that they do not really value the WO thread in its current state - they consider the thread to be more of a burden on them than a benefit - despite ongoing, active and longterm participation by both substantive and non-substantive posters.

I think that the sentiment of marcus_of_augustus various posts describes the importance of the WO thread - but none of his comments seem to be sinking in and the fact that there was a mixture of both good and bad content does not take away from the fact that the thread could be a bellweather measure of bitcoin sentiment.

Also the fact that causing the moving of the thread will likely lose some of the participants who have that particular thread bookmarked, and they won't be able to find (or bother to find) the new thread location. 

Hardly any of the guidelines were being followed nor was the op even active to enforce them and as such it was taken over by idiots continually making off topic posts.


Note: Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update.

Well it was mostly random comments. Not sure why that thread is even so important to you. The second version of a locked thread I might add. And since when does a thread being popular with shitposters make it a great thread? The how long have you been logged in for thread used to get a lot of views and attract masses of shitposters too. The creator of the Wall thread no longer contributes to it and it has little to do with what it was originally created for and no longer serves its purpose. All it was was idiots talking about random speculation and alt coins and you can do that in the multitudes of other pointless threads. Dozens of people's posts were removed there every day but it made no difference so enough is enough. No idea why people have a hard on to do it in that specific thread.


No, it stops people from making off topic posts in there. If you want to talk about speculation then do it in one of the other speculation threads. If you want to talk about alt coin speculation then go to the Alt Coin Speculation sub.

How about you do away with the incentive to shitpost with those retarded signature campaigns. How'd that be?


With all due respect to you, Mr. Lauda. Bite me sideways.

The best solution would involve it remaining in Speculation, I agree.

And you're quite right in your other posts - the spam will just metastasize somewhere else. Locking the thread ultimately solves nothing.


Don't think Adam ever moderated anything in his life. He was also pretty spammy himself at times lol.

The best idea was to moderate it properly 2 or 3 years ago when the trolls and spammers arrived, like I repeatedly asked them to at the time ...

I don't find it hard to accept that things need to change but how about they just do their fucking jobs and moderate the thread? Is that better idea/proposition?

Who are you btw? I'm allowed to make a fuss if I want and I can also ask you to go fuck yourself for having an opinion if I want too ... but it wouldn't be that constructive, so please lets not derail the discussion by slipping in random questioning of personal motivations.

There are lots of spamming and trolling. Mods have to leave good portion of their time just for that thread. They are also moderating other threads. If you feel like you can do the work, you are free to start a self-moderated thread. But, it has already been done by someone else. Now you can move the discussion to that thread.


It has become a pointless thread because it is getting so much attention from spammers and trolls.


It is easy to say, but hard to do!

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I understand some of your views. I have also checked it, before - frequently and now - not so much. There are good posts there and honestly, it "was" a great discussion thread! But now, a majority are spams and trolls now. It was self-moderated and when OP was active, he is also doing his work and spams were less iirc. Anyway, now there is a new self-moderated thread. So why make a fuss over this? If you are unsatisfied or hard to accept this, come up with better ideas/propositions.

I think it defeats a significant part of the purpose if you move it to "Off-topic" because it was effectively the landing page for noobs who wanted to find out about price action with bitcoin (i.e. essentially all bitcoin noobs). This is how the bitcoin noob experience has gone for thousands ...

they go... google search bitcoin CLICK ->
.... hmmm, bitcointalk.com, yep, that looks popular want some of that goodness CLICK ->
... hmmm, Speculation (yep, that's what I'm really here for hehe) CLICK ->
....hmmm, what's this massive long-ass thread with millions of views, yep that's what I want to read WALL OBSERVER!-> CLICK bang, done, arrived \O/
... and down the bitcoin price discussion rabbit-hole they fall  

The landing page effect of the rough 'n tumble feel yet warts 'n all authenticity of Wall Observer should not be underestimated.

Right there with you, Marcus. Let's move the thread somewhere where it fits the bureaucratic policy and move on

Another idiot moderator's opinion ... just do your fucking job and clean the thread up (if you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, get out, and no whinging on the way out either). How could it be "another pointless thread" if it is getting so much attention from the trolls and spammers? Not to mention the massive number of views it gets daily.

You moderators are ruining bitcointalk as much as the spammers and trolls that you are letting run amok.

Maybe all that money spent on the forum software (where is that by the way?) would have been better spent on moderator attitude training?

I wish there were a like button.   

Is that really the best you can come up with? You just don't get it?? It's probably the most popular and viewed thread on all of bitcointalk and you 'just don't get it'? That's no reason to lock a thread, that's just pathetic.

The reason for all the trolling and accusations (many times by trolls themselves) of "Off-topic", etc, etc is because it is the most popular 'go to' thread for a lot of the traffic coming to this forum. People are getting paid to post/manipulate/disrupt Wall Observer because that is where a majority of readership uses as a 'go to' to gauge market sentiment. It is one of the frontlines in opinion creation and manipulation in the bitcoin space ... how could you not 'get' that? Of course it is going to consume the most moderation resources because that is where the battle is being waged, unsurprisingly on the most viewed thread on the forum.

An attempt to diffuse the trolling, in order to reduce moderator resources, to all corners of the forum is unrealistic as they will appear again around a most viewed speculation thread that concerns market pricing expectations and opinion manipulations of those expectations. In short, it won't work and all you will achieve is to piss off the core of useful posters/readers who use that thread as a go to source of information. In fact, it mostly plays into the trolls hands as they will have successfully disrupted regular activities.

You're going to have to come up with a more intelligent and sophisticated approach than simply locking popular threads that get all the troll attention, that's just silly.

I find it amazing that owners and various moderators seem to NOT recognize value in a thread that seems to have the most participation.  Even just considering the matter from an owners point of view, isn't there value in that?  There are quite a few instances of of members who would come back into the WO thread after 1 or 2 years of non-participation in the forum, and that would be their "go to" location to post.  Also, newbies post in that thread, and may not post in any other thread.  I even saw that thread cited as a bitcoin news source in more than one articles.





This is a GREAT suggestion.  Leave the thread tentatively open, until an alternative can be considered, and it seems that just putting the thread in Off-topic - could be a solution, even though I really am having some difficulties understanding what the problem is just leaving the topic where it is, and maybe just getting a volunteer to be the new moderator of the thread - someone active in the thread could be the new moderator.. there are all kinds of decent candidates that would likely just moderate the extreme and just leave most posts alone....

I think we and the mods could handle a whole extra week or so of spam.

I wasn't suggesting that it was a vote either. A discussion, with some result that satisfied mods (they're in charge after all) which is at least informed by users' ideas.

If you open a discussion, 90% of users participating in such thread would vote "no" and while discussion is ongoing, spam would be increasing. Threads like this are locked to prevent "spam." Ongoing discussion threads are rarely locked by mods unless there is lots of spamming.