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legendary
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February 02, 2015, 12:55:33 AM
#48
wall street have said that they will join bitcoin a long time , but still not see any pump coming

in other hand , coin's price are dumping lower and lower
 Cry

It's obvious that they're buying off exchange. Buying/selling on an exchange is pretty stupid anyway because it leaves permanent traces tied to your identity.

It's obvious? How exactly Hyena? I know that you are into Bitcoin to the level of a religiously devoted man, but some proof now and then would be nice.

To me personally, proof is my own actions Cheesy I prefer to do business off exchange when I need actual fiat toilet paper. Also, it's pretty obvious that a millionaire buying in wouldn't want to do it on exchange due to the slippage. If that isn't obvious to you then there's not much for us to discuss.

well but if a lot of bitcoins are bought off exchange that should theoretically make the bitcoins on the exchange more scarce and therefore more valuable, no?

full member
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February 01, 2015, 06:20:31 PM
#47
What % is a pump for you?
legendary
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February 01, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
#46
If there is a "Wall Street pump", you will be the sucker.

Always remember, Bitcoin is zero-sum. For every winner, there is a loser.

If you've been in the game for half an hour and you don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy.

Unless you are shorting that doesn't make any sense.
legendary
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February 01, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
#45
If there is a "Wall Street pump", you will be the sucker.

Always remember, Bitcoin is zero-sum. For every winner, there is a loser.

If you've been in the game for half an hour and you don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy.
legendary
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February 01, 2015, 05:37:02 AM
#44
wall street have said that they will join bitcoin a long time , but still not see any pump coming

in other hand , coin's price are dumping lower and lower
 Cry

It's obvious that they're buying off exchange. Buying/selling on an exchange is pretty stupid anyway because it leaves permanent traces tied to your identity.

i don't think they're buying , if they buying bitcoin , the price won't be so low now

they just kidding us maybe
They probably wait for btc to reach single numbers and then BOOOM.
legendary
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February 01, 2015, 03:55:49 AM
#43
wall street have said that they will join bitcoin a long time , but still not see any pump coming

in other hand , coin's price are dumping lower and lower
 Cry

It's obvious that they're buying off exchange. Buying/selling on an exchange is pretty stupid anyway because it leaves permanent traces tied to your identity.

i don't think they're buying , if they buying bitcoin , the price won't be so low now

they just kidding us maybe
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 11:10:59 PM
#42
Wall street guys? I suppose the caretakers, floor sweepers and cafe servants on wall street are also wall street guys. They are all masters of something, maybe even economics. And yes, some of them are coming on the train.
sr. member
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January 31, 2015, 06:50:52 PM
#41
Why on Earth would Wall Street embrace something out of their control?  Furthermore, why would the banking community encourage its adoption?  The technology behind Bitcoin is 100% incompatible with regulated, centralized banking.  I think "Wall Street" sees Bitcoin as yet another thing they can pump and dump.


The weather is beyond wall streets control, and it doesn't story corn futures from being traded.

There's a difference between speculating on the direction of the weather and directly investing IN the weather, if that were even possible.  In the early days of the stock market, "traders" could only bet on the direction of price movement rather than actually own a stake in a company.  That's the sort of thing you're talking about.  So sure, they could treat Bitcoin like an arbitrary thing that gets pushed up and down, but that wouldn't make Bitcoin any more legitimate as a currency/store of value/etc.
hero member
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January 31, 2015, 06:05:58 PM
#40
Why on Earth would Wall Street embrace something out of their control?  Furthermore, why would the banking community encourage its adoption?  The technology behind Bitcoin is 100% incompatible with regulated, centralized banking.  I think "Wall Street" sees Bitcoin as yet another thing they can pump and dump.


The weather is beyond wall streets control, and it doesn't stop corn futures from being traded.
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
#39
Wall Street pump won't happen overnight. They will first start by slowly dipping their toes. Like we all did. Expect a long period of stability/boringness prior that.
Stability would be way better alternative to current dowtrend don't you think so? But i don't see it happening.
sr. member
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January 31, 2015, 04:44:51 PM
#38
Why on Earth would Wall Street embrace something out of their control?  Furthermore, why would the banking community encourage its adoption?  The technology behind Bitcoin is 100% incompatible with regulated, centralized banking.  I think "Wall Street" sees Bitcoin as yet another thing they can pump and dump.
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 03:32:42 PM
#37
Maybe they buy some miners company at firts, to ban dumpers
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 03:10:30 PM
#36
wall street have said that they will join bitcoin a long time , but still not see any pump coming

in other hand , coin's price are dumping lower and lower
 Cry
Yep as they aren't ready yet or see the downtrend and want to buy in lower and that could create MASSIVE rally, COULD.
hero member
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January 31, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
#35
You mean Wall Street dumping... they will bring this so down everyone will have to let go, and then they will corner the market. Look at what a single entity in China is doing by simply taking bitcoin loans: dumping to hell.

It's already been brought down... If they continue to double digits suddenly everyone will be aware of the game. They can only accumulate for so long before the market gets wise.
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January 31, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
#34
That's why there is also projects like Lighthouse, Bitsquare, OpenBazaar, DarkWallet etc to counter this direction and bring equilibrium and choice.

Very true. These projects need more attention and awareness. Throwing out random numbers, I'd say the speculation forum is:

50% about big money getting in
25% to the moon quotes
15% dump incoming
5% centralized BTC infrastructure news (Exchanges)
2% Butt hurt trolls
2% TA analysis
0.99% polls
0.01% projects like Lighthouse, Bitsquare, OpenBazaar, DarkWallet

It's hard to get razzed up about BTC in the decentralized direction when the masses would rather lose/make money on the speculation of its value relative to fiat. (end rant, it's a grouchy day today).
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
#33
Why do everybody awaits their golden knight Wallstreet, Winlkevii ETF or other 'big' companies to save them??

Do you really need those fuckers to come? Bitcoin is free, is decentralized, anyone can join. I'd prefer 10,000 new peasants with $100 each instead one big, psychopathic company to join.

I agree with that but on the other hand mainstream adoption will happen faster with Wall Street jumping in.

Ironic isn't it? Makes me start to think that all the idealism I've read about BTC since 2011 was from a bunch of people looking to get rich; that nobody truly cared about decentralization in the first place. It was just a proxy.

Bitcoin development is pushing both ways. The mainstream way and the honeybadgers way which is ironically making bitcoin even more decentralized and robust and is also part of the open and inclusive nature of the network. Making money out of it is part of the incentive mechanism from the whole beginning.

Were you expecting anything else?

Yes I was/still am, but the problem lies in the decentralization. You cannot have decentralization without trust and without trust, you can not have anonymity. What is happening now is the requirement of anonymity is being defined on the corporate level only. Infrastructure is being built that ties real world personal data to blockchain transactions/wallets/etc. on the level of companies that interface between users and miners. These companies hold massive data on the financials of most users (US at least).

I.e. Individual anonymity is not respected, only infrastructure level. Centralized services are "safeguarding" your anonymity (KYC/AML/linked bank accounts/CCs) under the premise that business through them is "safe."

Essentially, this is required for mainstream. I understand this, but it really takes away what BTC technology could do for people, but they are too foolish or naive to see it/care.

Fiat is not going anywhere, but a restructuring and new application from it's controlling powers is underway.

That's why there is also projects like Lighthouse, Bitsquare, OpenBazaar, DarkWallet etc to counter this direction and bring equilibrium and choice.
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 12:01:36 PM
#32
if wall street pump the price, who will sell their bitcoin, and how wall street get bitcoin? only if they bump the price, they can get bitcoin they want
hero member
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January 31, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
#31
You mean Wall Street dumping... they will bring this so down everyone will have to let go, and then they will corner the market. Look at what a single entity in China is doing by simply taking bitcoin loans: dumping to hell.
full member
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Merit: 117
January 31, 2015, 11:57:38 AM
#30
Why do everybody awaits their golden knight Wallstreet, Winlkevii ETF or other 'big' companies to save them??

Do you really need those fuckers to come? Bitcoin is free, is decentralized, anyone can join. I'd prefer 10,000 new peasants with $100 each instead one big, psychopathic company to join.

I agree with that but on the other hand mainstream adoption will happen faster with Wall Street jumping in.

Ironic isn't it? Makes me start to think that all the idealism I've read about BTC since 2011 was from a bunch of people looking to get rich; that nobody truly cared about decentralization in the first place. It was just a proxy.

Bitcoin development is pushing both ways. The mainstream way and the honeybadgers way which is ironically making bitcoin even more decentralized and robust and is also part of the open and inclusive nature of the network. Making money out of it is part of the incentive mechanism from the whole beginning.

Were you expecting anything else?

Yes I was/still am, but the problem lies in the decentralization. You cannot have decentralization without trust and without trust, you can not have anonymity. What is happening now is the requirement of anonymity is being defined on the corporate level only. Infrastructure is being built that ties real world personal data to blockchain transactions/wallets/etc. on the level of companies that interface between users and miners. These companies hold massive data on the financials of most users (US at least).

I.e. Individual anonymity is not respected, only infrastructure level. Centralized services are "safeguarding" your anonymity (KYC/AML/linked bank accounts/CCs) under the premise that business through them is "safe."

Essentially, this is required for mainstream. I understand this, but it really takes away what BTC technology could do for people, but they are too foolish or naive to see it/care.

Fiat is not going anywhere, but a restructuring and new application from it's controlling powers is underway.
legendary
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January 31, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
#29
Why do everybody awaits their golden knight Wallstreet, Winlkevii ETF or other 'big' companies to save them??

Do you really need those fuckers to come? Bitcoin is free, is decentralized, anyone can join. I'd prefer 10,000 new peasants with $100 each instead one big, psychopathic company to join.

I agree with that but on the other hand mainstream adoption will happen faster with Wall Street jumping in.

Ironic isn't it? Makes me start to think that all the idealism I've read about BTC since 2011 was from a bunch of people looking to get rich; that nobody truly cared about decentralization in the first place. It was just a proxy.

Bitcoin development is pushing both ways. The mainstream way and the honeybadgers way which is ironically making bitcoin even more decentralized and robust and is also part of the open and inclusive nature of the network. Making money out of it is part of the incentive mechanism from the whole beginning.

Were you expecting anything else?
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