Topic: Wapinter related with Scam? Why he repeat to promote ICO with fake team ? (Read 18611 times)

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Try talking with him again. Maybe he will remove it.

I don't think negative trust feedback here is deserved, but then again I see that me and him gave each other negative feedback for similar reasons  
Just sent him PM.

Why waking up this topic after more than one year and Wapinter gave you negative feedback in same time?

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However negative feedback needs to be properly justified

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This isn't proper way to accuse someone. Before accuse someone you should gather proper evidence. You might post here your evidence or you might open new thread regarding your complaint. Who know may be you was wrong, so its important to provide valid evidence. Use of bad language isn't going to solve your issue.

Stop lying.You didnt get paid because you didnt follow the rules.Thats why you nerve to post here all details.
This is not the place to defame someone on baseless charges

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Seems another accusation against wapinter about STELLAR GOLD, also noticed he have woke up lately with multiple bounty campaign again. Sad to see that he is doing same as before, never bother to research minimum. We should learn from our past mistake since many hunters depend on bounty managers. However, hunters should learn and research themselves before join any campaign also.

Livetalk have cancelled their ICO.
Not funny.You were banned for spamming in my group.It is easier to start complaining when you get banned for breaking the rules.

I challenge you to bring the evidence of me playing around with stakes.Everything is transparent and open to public.I never distribute tokens myself.I am sure you are one of those scammer bounty hunters who didnt get stakes because of some genuine reason so you started venting out your frustration here

Been to his bounty group and left. Severely unorganized group, no respect to bountyparticants, playing around with stakes. Their only motto is money. They get it, they promote any ICO even it is full of criminals.

He don't care about this thread, and he will continue doing whatever gets him money.

*Wapinter - You have all the rights to contact the bounty manager if you're suspecting the project of fraud. You're quite known around to busy scammy ICO's so I guess he should be taking your opinions seriously.

Send him a message with your accusation and ask him to reply to that.

We found this possible SCAM ICO that appears to have a fake member. (need more investigation)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/livetalk-tech-possible-scam-5028817

Wapinter is the BM: (edited name)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-livetalk-livestream-1st-channel-combined-with-electronic-money-4973830

If an ICO not meet the soft cap it means they should return fund of investors. If they really return raised fund to investors in case they aren't meet soft cap than you shouldn't call them scammer due to they didn't distribute token to bounty participant. But I don't think so any ICO will return fund if they never meet with soft cap. They will just skip with fund. No one can say they meet soft cap or not. Reality only know team. If their aim is for scam there is no meaning they meet hard cap or soft cap.

He must getting his nerve back now.

Or just acting that he really cared about his participants so it can cover all the allegations about him? Which is which now?


Obviously, they're guilty with it and see you a fudster yet they're afraid that investors will read it and back off.

Wapinter was also the bounty manager for the scam project World Coin, about which he notified bounty participants: http://archive.is/b2SM5.

One interesting fact is After reading this post...I just gave a comment in their Telegram channel regarding the scam issue and expressed how people are thinking about this...

And I was surprised by getting instant ban... Instead clearing things up.. They banned me which made me think Wapinter and  a group of cheaters under him only promotes for money and 90% Bounty Managed by them ultimately turn into scam.. Funny hahh 😭🙄

It's really interested. My friend participated in sig camp, but there is no payment until. I hope that she will come soon. Otherwise he will be a scam.

Well you can say that. But it's not entirely a scam if the team really had the vision for it but the people and the idea didn't really connect. Also, ICO stands for initial coin offer and you can think of it as a pre-sale for tokens that are possibly have higher values in the future. Therefore, you can consider it as a failed ico but not scam.

From the first time you heard that the team is scam, you should have detached your self from them, leave the campaign and make an official announcement that you are no longer supporting the campaign. I think if you did that earlier, you shouldn't have encountered this.

Anyway, I do have a question, I noticed that there some ICOs who didn't meet the softcap and of course no tokens will be delivered to the participants. Will this be considered as scam?

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Who told him to accept all offer, researching simple fact don't take much time. If he just check basic thing, he can easily opt out mostly scam.

Here is another confirmation/validation from Amazon Face "Rekognition":

Hard to keep track on the scams or hard to keep track on the money he/she is making?

Very well said Deadly! That was exactly what I was going to say, and you nailed it.

First I want to clear that, no one targetting you. Specially I am not. Even I don't know you. I haven't yet joined any bounty. I am not yet manager of any bounty. So I am not your competition's.  I just saw about some scam post and there 2 of your bounty I found I have already mention on my thread. Another also found recently. According to you here should a team for investigate. Why not did yourselves? At least team ? It will take only 10 minutes for Google check. So how you expect from other will investigate on behalf of managers ?

According to me :

• If managers not research minimum , they deserve red tag or ban ( if multiple).
• If participant not research they deserves loss of hard worked time

• If investor not research, they deserve loss

BTW I hope from now you will research well. I have no problem with you or any managers. I just try to help people from scam site. I will do it also future.

We can actually see so many miss handled campaigns and end up scamming but guess what only unreputed managers get tag and those reputed wanna bee which hunts for fee's evade the tagging and just burried the issue while DT afraid to sue them up.

I don't know what came on your mind that managers don't have the duty to research the project if that one is scam or not while the fact is they are the one who's main involve of everything since they are the one who's running the advertisement campaign for that scammy one's. Managers should be the first defense against scam so that no casualties happen and also Managers who have high ranks and reputation can attract investors so they must do their due diligence to know if the project is legit or not.

Agreed, what you all said, but how bounty manager can accept ICO which offering 40% monthly return. It's clear sign of scammy nature of ICO, there is no way any project can give 40% return monthly on consistently. Did he read at all or just negotiated his fee without checking what is the project and whom behind it?

I don't think, he did read it at all or he did read and don't care about anything, just wanted to earn his fee.

As a bounty manager sometime we really can't filter scammy ICO because it is fool proof or really good in everything. But Coinect ICO had fix high monthly return that is clear sign of Scam. How any bounty manager can miss that?

You are working with Wapiner, how you can be impartial? You are directly linked with Wapinter and you lectured here like you don't relate to Wapinter.

You should have. (*Hint : You have already hit the bottom)

Oh he's clean.Very clean. I was one of the members who created the ANN thread and acted as a Development Manager for the project.Technically, you should directing your queries towards me and not the escrows involved.You went from defending Wapinter to attacking Lutpin. Must admit you are taking it way too personally.

I'm sorry, is this the best "dirt" you could find on me?

A campaign where I did everything I could to secure a BTC payment for participants, since the ASC they were supposed to get was going to be worthless due to the screwup by the ASC team.
I did my part there. I promptly joined the discussion with the escrow team and coordinated further steps with them. Not for myself, but for the people I had enrolled.

Investors? Covered and fully repaid by the escrow team.
Signature Campaign Participants? Compensated in BTC, which they were all happy to accept and not one of them complained about.

To sum it up in one sentence:

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Now do we see Wapinter out there busting his ass, trying to get a payment for the participants of his latest campaigns? Will those be covered, will the participants be paid in any way?

No one, apart from one of the scammers lost money from that scam.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17530692
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ascendancy-ipo-turned-into-a-scam-investigation-in-progress-1749935
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ascendancy-scam-claiming-back-investments-has-ended-1778405

You and your friends have dirt on your hands too, I could dig deeper but no need. I have nothing personal against you, but before accusing someone of something make sure you are clean yourself. Why didn't you make your research as signature campaign OP before starting a sig campaign for a scammy project?

Moonie, stop spoiling my surprises.

I am on the same note with this, I usually took bounty manager as a point of consideration when I look for bounty campaign as I assume they have at least read and study about the ICO whose bounty they managed. Afterall, they have reputation to maintain.

And although Wapinter is not the only manager that fell into this situation, he's somehow the first that I know that got several scam ico at the same time, which made me wonder if he even study about the campaign he managed or he just blindly accept every campaign offered to him. Especially because he had this team of managers that gave me an impression that he took an ICO and gave it to his team to handle.

You wouldn't get banned for having an alt account. You could get banned for plagiarism.

Thanks, appreciate it. IF you ever need a signature designer don't hesitate to contact me.

You can find me here in this list too for future reference if you need it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-designerssignatureavataretc-last-update-15-aug-2018-1610428

I totally go with you after the conversation I had with you however I will say the managers part is very important because he dealt with the project team first hand. A manager should need to develop a sense of detecting good and bad (trying to scam) project.

As a participant my experience is...
It's really hard to find a good project. On top of it, a percipient has 100s of projects if not 1000s to chose one. Now, when the number is large of course the person feel overwhelmed, and how much research (especially extensive research) s/he can do? Also you feel uncomfortable in most of them (projects) when you see newbies/members with no good record in the forum posting sig campaign topics.

So to me, the filtering criteria is... Go with a manager who has good reputation, who already proved him/her in the community etc. Of-course don't forget to do your own part (a little research) once you get accepted.


Now come to as an investor: When I am paying money out of my pocket (even if it's a penny), I will definitely make sure that I am not going to lose it. Although in reality most of the time it works the opposite LOL. Scammers are making money out of people.

Indeed, nobody is promoting any scam because the bounty threads for all scams mentioned in OP are closed.
Like the thread for xeonframe, which is lock...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3963215.msg40587785;topicseen#msg40587785
wait, it's not locked? That would mean, people are currently promoting a...I don't wanna say it.

Top job designing those signatures, btw.

I don't feel uncomfortable at all, Yes I am part of his team, I am not ashamed of my friends, but I also worked for other campaign managers and I was myself marketing manager for a successful ICO which I really don't need to point it out here in this thread, who knows me can confirm that what I say is true.

The wording .... LMFAO PLEASE but I insist, IF you are suggesting that my account is shared or anyone EVER used my account to post, I hereby invite forum admins to check my IPs and if it was used by anyone else I will gladly accept to be banned. IF not, you should add yourself negative trust and ask all your noobcakes army that post for you to give you negative trust for talking crap and putting dirt on someone's reputation.

That said, I am clean, always will be, no reason not to be. I am more of a reader on this forum than a writer.

If there is someone that has something personal with anyone, then that's you my friend. At least thats what I see from your posts towards Wapinter's reputation.

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One question though, are you in any way part of the "Wapinter Bounty Portal" team (you know, the guys with the banned account)?

Since you ask about a shared bounty management account here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/question-for-bitcointalk-staff-3606878
And the very same day, this thread is posted by a member of the WBP team: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/common-shared-account-for-bounty-management-allowed-3603094

The wording is so similar, it's almost...the same.


Is that why you defend Wapinter that much, because you are directly involved here, because you are a member of their team?
Or is there another reason why you have posted the (almost exactly) same thread?
You do not have to answer if it's making you feel uncomfortable.

You are right, managers should do a minimum research, which he probably did, but you are asking here for an extensive research in fact ... make up your mind.

Why people like you exist is a thing which I didn't figure out yet. Throwing mud at a manager who never scammed or endorsed a scammy project makes me wonder on which side you are.

Throwing flames on a forum just for the sake of getting merit points and draw attention is also something that I cannot fully understand, please clear things out for me if you are so kind.

I am probably the most impartial person on this forum, as my life isn't only about this forum or a single person. And this is a statement which I strongly support.

I would like to know if you are having problems getting campaigns to manage here on this forum, because that would explain a lot on why you are throwing mud at a honest person.

P.S. I have worked for various Campaigns and under various Campaign Managers but I have never had problems with any of them. My work was always clean and payment also came as I expected it to come. I also helped to detect lots of scammy ICOs, but I never came here to flame on forum about one or another, I just pointed out the SCAM Projects, which in fact, is the main problem, not the Campaign managers, IMHO.

Nobody is promoting scams, as you can very well see, he closed the campaign.

Yes it can happened with me also. I have no question about exit scam. Recently it's common problem about fake team. Specially taken from Google. This case we found Wapinter 3 bounty. All is same case. It's not minimum responsible to manager check little bit on Google about their team ? My question why same thing happens repeat. There already sign for scam. Even we can't call scam until happen. But there is strong sing.


That's why participant deserve scam.

It is worth pointing out that Wapinter is currently evading a forum ban they have gotten with their alt account Wapinter Bounty Portal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-evasion-wapinter-u-527272-wbp-u-2094446-btvgainer-u-550869-4486093

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Managers should do a minimum of research before they accept a position.
Participants should do their research before they start advertising a project.
Investors should do extended research before sending their money anywhere.

Just because the managers do research, doesn't mean participants should not do their own research anymore (I have discussed that recently with mdayonliner).
Likewise, a manager cannot take themselves out of responsibility by claiming all research has to be done by participants, they should do their own due diligence as well,
as they put their reputation on the line with the positions they take on.

If all three groups (mangers, participants, investors) of people do sufficient and independent research, scams can be found and stopped way earlier than right now,
because the more people check a project, the more likely bad apples like these get found both quickly and reliably.

Currently, third parties that have nothing to do with either group have to point out problems to the managers which then only react, at a point it might already be too late for participants/investors.

Have you ever thought that you idiots who are promoting obvious scams are taking food from many people tables?

I am not sure why a Bounty manager has to be taken responsible for a scammy ICO, I mean before you invest in an ICO you are advised by mostly everyone to do your due diligence, to investigate whether the project is a scam or not, in other words, I hereby advise you all who assimilate SCAM ICOs with good intended and hardworking managers to do your research before participating in a Bounty.

On a personal note, have you ever thought that campaign managers put food on many people tables? Do you think they would risk anyone's financial independence and pick scammy ICOs just for fun? Think again before accusing a bounty manager and throwing mud on his face.

P.S. It can happen to anyone, nobody is perfect. Picking the wrong campaign is just a matter of time, but that doesn't mean you are doing it intentionally.

Somewhere in Tokio....



^^^ this guy has found a way to make all people rich without doing anything. Damn, 40% monthly, I will sell all I have, invest in coinect, compound it and I will become multimillionaire by the end of June 2019. By the end of June 2020. I will be multi billionaire.

On side note, I wonder what is he doing at restaurant...in Tokio...I am pretty sure I read in linkedin that he is in Aberdeen, working hard on coinect project

I couldn't have put it better myself :claps:

I don't think campaign managers have a duty to research the project in as much depth as you suggest.  They're just taking on a job, and when any of us apply for a job we usually assume good faith on the part of the employer.  It also assumes the manager is capable of and has the time to delve into detective work.  I think what you're saying shifts the blame way too much onto the campaign manager's shoulders.  What if there's a critical detail that the manager misses?

If a project turns out to be a scam, and they're in the middle of running a campaign, I think it's enough for a manager to do as Yahoo62278 just did and end the campaign.  Basically it comes down to the question of whether we're assuming a project is a scam until proven otherwise or legitimate until proven to be a scam.  There have been enough scams such that we probably ought to be assuming all ICOs are, but I don't think it's a campaign manager's duty to expose them before taking on the job of manager.

I already got details please check this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinect-ico-is-a-well-planed-scam-with-fake-team-stay-away-4503041

You're overthinking it. "Dodgy ICO with fake team profiles" == scam. It doesn't matter that the monetary loss has not occurred yet.

Some other shortcuts:

Arbitrage == scam. None of the really successful arbitrageurs need any crowdfunding. They either have a shitload of money already, or they have real investors, or (most likely) they're not really successful. Arbitrage, day-trading, etc are just buzzwords adopted by scammers to deceive people into thinking that there is a magic money making machine.

40% per month, or 0.5% per day, or some other absurd earnings rate == scam. I think that one is obvious. Doesn't matter if the fine print says "not guaranteed". Magic money making machines don't exist.

Any pyramid-shaped structure (MLM, referrals, etc) == scam. Greedy bastards want your money AND the money of your friends and family.

Hey Wapinter, I'll try to shed my opinion on your situation here. If it's possible, could you pretend I'm just a regular user and not your competition (a fellow manager) and I'll try to address this as neutral as possible?

Because, my dear, you've posted their ann threads (without a disclaimer) and you seem to be quite foolish with your selections of ICOs.

Locking a thread a week, 2 weeks after you've posted it doesn't mean you've done your due diligence when taking projects. A respectable manager would be someone who researched the project's team, read the whitepaper, expressed any remaining doubts to the managers of the project, and then, take the project. If you even took an hour of your time to check the team members/whitepaper of the 2 scam icos in op, and taken 10 minutes to think how unachievable coinect is, you would have saved yourself a lot of trouble.

Do you get paid for this? If you get and upfront fee, it would be very profitable for you to take scam icos as a client, get them to pay up, and then turn on them when the forum cops come knocking at your door. If this is the case, I believe there is no turning back for you...

This is all due to the fact that you abused your reputation to promote 2 confirmed scams and 1 very suspicious ico.

Oh no...

You totally messed up here. When a company/freelance such as yourself has a client who they work for online, it is their responsibility to make sure the company is legitimate, and when you are working as a marketing firm/promoter (if you would call yourself that), it is even more your role to do your due dilegence. There shouldn't be a group of people who do research for YOU so YOUR ass doesn't get kicked when they turn sideways, it is your own role and you must take it very seriously.

You promoted them. You posted their thread. So you will share the blame, although definitely not most of it.

Great on you for admitting your mistake, you can improve as a person this way.

Prevention is better than a cure.

You must be. A lot of people are in your bounties and they all trust you.

Haha, this got a bit long, sorry for the rant, this'll be my last consecutive post, so you won't get overloaded with my spam. Great job OP!

Have a great day everyone!

I'll try and ignore the other projects that are either confirmed to be scams, or are being busted right now and focus on coinect.

When I was first tackling the issue, I was going to straight out call it a scam, but after further research and fully understanding the words that were on the website, I wasn't able to call it a scam at first, it was just a very dodgy ico with fake/dodgy team profiles. I could ask them for some other details (more in-depth knowledge about how the code works, but that would be confidential, and they definitely wouldn't hand it over).

They are sort of in a situation where you can't fully prove them illegitimate, and they have an excuse to not fully prove us wrong, so at the end of that, I'd only like one doubt fixed.

What's up with the team coinect? The whole team has 7 connections each on linkdelin and the connections are all your team members. Entering such a huge industry and expecting to raise millions with a rookie team like this would either mean a complete failure or an outright scam. Where are the industry connections? Where is the industry experience? Where are your teams' past experience? Where is your ceo's past work?

EDIT -  more info about coinect

What's your registration number IN THE UK? And maybe post it on your website like legitimate businesses do.

Its standart refferal program. May be before post its better to read some more about partnership programs.





We test our system, but its still raw to production. Its one point for start ico.



Did you contact her? Do you know sir, that post not checked info called a lie? If contact, please update info about date, time and method.




Because of its a brand name, not company's. Before writing such material may be easy to ask first and get the answer?

Okay I have locked their thread.I will unlock it when they are ready to post reply.I will delete the content of thread after that and lock it permanently
edit : they have asked me to unlock now and allow them to post

^^ these guys are unbelievable.
What doubts omg

Coinect team has asked me to give them 24 hours to post their reply.Shouldn't we give them a chance to clear our doubts?If they fail,I will waste no more time and Lock their thread.I am thankful to all members,including you, who brought this to my notice.

So what are you waiting with this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39469371  ?
10 levels depth referral pyramid, 40% promised monthly return(without fully tested product), photoshopped team member, advisor which is not advising project, coinect company not registered anywhere in UK.
It didn't cross your mind that this project is maybe....scam?

Why blaming me for the scam ICOs?Am I not co operating with anyone who reports a scam ICO?I immediately lock their threads.For the past few days I am being constantly targetted on this forum.I have publicly expressed my willingness to help fight these scam ICOs.I suggested we should have a group of members who do research before ICOs are allowed to post their ANN and bounty.I accept I made a wrong choice in megatron and xeonframe case but I was not a part of them.My fault I didnt do proper research before accepting these bounties but I locked their threads immediately as soon as I learnt about them.Lets fight these scam ICOs together.I assure everyone that I will be more vigilant in accepting the bounty campaigns from now on.

I will try to find out by tomorrow about this website.
There is another problem I found that they use advisor from other ICO. I know it's not big deal. Advisor can be hire . But some picture typically using many site. I will identify some website that using same advisor but they are not real or trusted. Even a well know advisor can't gurranty that ICO will not scam. Because they are paid only for advise. Wapinter should be aware about this kind of scam ICO. Otherwise he should be ban or tagged due to scam ICO promotion. Not only one case. We can se here multiple case.

https://ore5.jp/archives/5859

I need translator for this one. Who is this guy:



Which one is real?



Not sure man, these glasses don't look the same on pictures.  

Wait, don't tell me. He got old but he wears the same old white t-shirt.

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Oh wait....don't tell me.
春山 充  Haruyama Mitsuru ? Nah....probably google translator stopped responding. This has to be Jason Zhou, Python developer.

Can you check the pictures on Coinect? Another shady ICO posted by Wapinter.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annico-coinect-thread-locked-due-to-ongoing-scam-accusations-4419682

Names sound really fake.