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Quote from: poldanmig on March 10, 2022, 02:30:45 AM

Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

War of course destroys everything for both victors and losers, wars that last long of course will cost a lot of money and energy, but I think some countries don't care how much money they have spent on war as long as they can win, and are able to show world if they are a strong country and should be feared by other countries.

That's how war is and I think all sectors will definitely be affected by the war,
many civilians who became victims of the war between Russia and Ukraine and of course that is very unfortunate,
really hope there will be good news to end the war and follow the latest news

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Quote from: molsewid on March 05, 2022, 09:46:15 AM

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I guess Putin is fighting for the betterment of Russian people not to allow other countries to control their resources and other things in the country. Putin is not doing those things because of money he will achieve from the government account because he is a wealthy man in the country which many citizens knew him as a good man that want the best for his country. Putin is fighting for power not money because he understood that when you have power, to get money to improve the economy the war has collapsed is very easy to achieve in the country. Based on the announcement Putin made today show that he will definitely achieve the power for this war between them and Ukraine country.

Well I do understand why Putin stand on this war because he was only protecting their land, he being a leader of one of the largest mass land in the earth wants for the betterment of Russian people and he feel threaten on the agenda of Nato or the Wester country trying to get close on their land. He is protecting their land, their resources to be controlled by other races. However, during this kind of crisis the civilian people are the one who suffer most in this war that's why I am hoping and praying that this war may over now.

Perhaps Putin could not have found a better solution than war. If Ukraine joins NATO, the US and the West have the right to set up military bases right on Ukraine like Russia is sitting on a ticking time bomb. It is the civilian people who suffer the most, but I think the Russian people will also understand that their president is doing the right thing to protect the country. Hope they Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky will reach an armistice.

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May be it’s all about the Land! They will posses the land and gain huge natural resources from the same. Though war is heavy they might still get some infra adopted as it is. Once the settlement is grown one more time they will start receiving the taxes, more businesses will bloom which will be working for the Russia. The Black Sea coastal area would be another hot spot for international trades if world still accepts them.

However, I see that war turned out completely wrong here. Russia thought Ukraine is weak country but it turned out to be they are holding pretty good.

So economical situation of the Russia is gonna be destroyed heavily.

I agree with you. That was his goal at first point, but in order to achieve that he has had to also risk a lot of money and take the potential negative consequences of his acts, that are now showing themselves over russian economy and over the russian society as a whole, considering the thousands of dead soldiers already. So it seems this war isn't going to be eventually profitable for Putin in anyways...
Maybe he calculated everything wrong or just didn't calculate anything at all. And even on the worse scenario, that is, if Putin decides to use his nuclear power, there won't be any profit on it after all, since the impact of such armament on the environment is completely devastating, making areas and resources useless or untouchable.

Yes, eventually they will not only have natural resources but will obtain much more Uranium and this will increase the nuclear potential that Russia has since the Soviet Union, this is something really strong, because currently it does not matter how much army you have, or how strong they can fight, when there is such a high nuclear potential, it is like going and sticking your hand into a nest of snakes and pretending never to get bitten, this is something very delicate because it has to do with the health of the entire planet, if they go beyond this it could end everything the world, and those who remain alive will still die due to high radiation, it is a total condemnation, for me NATO has failed, USA, they say: "I support you" but I do not fight for you.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

War of course destroys everything for both victors and losers, wars that last long of course will cost a lot of money and energy, but I think some countries don't care how much money they have spent on war as long as they can win, and are able to show world if they are a strong country and should be feared by other countries.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

It will take a lot of toll first before he can make it profitable. If Putin is able to win the war without highly damaging their economy, then maybe there is a chance to attract more country to take the side of Russia due to its power and weapons. This can also benefit the country that will take side to them, because of their fire power and war capabilities. None the less, I am against the current war that is happening their. Prayers up to the Ukraine

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Russia invades Ukraine because of its disagreement that it belong to NATO. Because it would reduce Russia's sovereignty and influence over the country. Due to ts geographical location, Ukraine represents a security zone
geopolitically it is a loss for Russia.

I understand Putin that he sees Ukraine as a brother country and that they should not be separated.
But the time came and Ukraine decided to be free and chose to belong to NATO.

A conflict like this tends to escalate with the destabilization of the Europe area.
Since Russia knows that Western European countries have become more dependent on its exports, it can continue to attack.

As the panorama shows, it is necessary to produce more oil, more raw materials such as wheat and cereals, which are the other production of that area.

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May be it’s all about the Land! They will posses the land and gain huge natural resources from the same. Though war is heavy they might still get some infra adopted as it is. Once the settlement is grown one more time they will start receiving the taxes, more businesses will bloom which will be working for the Russia. The Black Sea coastal area would be another hot spot for international trades if world still accepts them.

However, I see that war turned out completely wrong here. Russia thought Ukraine is weak country but it turned out to be they are holding pretty good.

So economical situation of the Russia is gonna be destroyed heavily.

Ukraine is not a weak country, just that they want peace to rain between them and Russian so that their economy will not collapse like other countries. It will be difficult for Russian to destroy Ukraine country because other countries of the world will not allow such thing to happen to Ukraine country than to do everything possible within their power to stop Russian not to have their way into their resources. US has banned Russian oil import because of the killing that is happening to Ukraine citizens which many countries are not happy about the bad decision Putin has took to destroy Ukraine country.

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Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable by destabilizing and frighten Ukraine via collapsing their economy and making democracy to fail

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He wants to destabilize Ukraine, frighten Ukraine. He wants Ukrainian democracy to fail. He wants the Ukrainian economy to collapse. He wants foreign investors to flee. He wants his neighbors—in Belarus, Kazakhstan, even Poland and Hungary—to doubt whether democracy will ever be viable, in the longer term, in their countries too. Farther abroad, he wants to put so much strain on Western and democratic institutions, especially the European Union and NATO, that they break up.

These are the benefits he thought he will gain from the aggression of war. But lets see the end result and if he will surely get his intended profits.

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Quote from: Flexystar on March 05, 2022, 06:57:37 AM

May be it’s all about the Land! They will posses the land and gain huge natural resources from the same. Though war is heavy they might still get some infra adopted as it is. Once the settlement is grown one more time they will start receiving the taxes, more businesses will bloom which will be working for the Russia. The Black Sea coastal area would be another hot spot for international trades if world still accepts them.

However, I see that war turned out completely wrong here. Russia thought Ukraine is weak country but it turned out to be they are holding pretty good.

So economical situation of the Russia is gonna be destroyed heavily.

I agree with you. That was his goal at first point, but in order to achieve that he has had to also risk a lot of money and take the potential negative consequences of his acts, that are now showing themselves over russian economy and over the russian society as a whole, considering the thousands of dead soldiers already. So it seems this war isn't going to be eventually profitable for Putin in anyways...
Maybe he calculated everything wrong or just didn't calculate anything at all. And even on the worse scenario, that is, if Putin decides to use his nuclear power, there won't be any profit on it after all, since the impact of such armament on the environment is completely devastating, making areas and resources useless or untouchable.

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Showing the West and Ukraine how powerful, mighty and affirm His wills are in making them bow down to all His demands without having to lose anything at the end, even if it doesn't profit Putin and His entire cabinets declaring war on Ukrainian soil bombing them to surrender, and making the land desolate its an achievement to show the world how powerful He is.
Though nobody can predict the outcome or aftermath end result of this ongoing war with the look of things it might go from bad to worse because Ukrainian's would rather prefer to die for their beloved country than to surrender to Putin.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 26, 2022, 05:42:44 PM

we don't know how putin's mind works but definitely he's very serious to finish this war with ukraine at all cost. he won't back down up until he didn't get what he wants. i don't think he started this war thinking that he will stop in the middle of it. nope... he started this aiming to win nothing else. losing is not in his vocabulary. why he stated that if somebody will interfere, they will suffer the consequences.
profitable or not, i guess by now, his main interest is to win this war over ukraine. so long he can show to the world that he has this power to invade the former soviet union republic, that's his main target. all the other things will follow once he got ukraine under his power.

Yes, Putin's appetite is great, but he won't get Ukraine. Maybe he calculated the economic side of the invasion, but he clearly did not take into account the freedom-loving spirit of the Ukrainian people. In addition, we must agree that in every war, money plays a big role. Europe has already understood that Putin will not stop in Ukraine and will move on. Therefore, they agree to give Ukraine money and weapons, if only the Ukrainians would protect Europe from the distraught Putin.
In the presence of such decent assistance and taking into account the army that has grown stronger over the past eight years, Ukraine is showing enviable professionalism and pointwise inflicting not only tangible, but even lethal losses on the enemy.

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Fighting against Ukraine won't help this, he should allow them.to join sides with NATO.
Putin is a big lair saying he wouldn't invade Ukraine and ended up doing so.
He gains nothing bfrom it, I hope all of this madness comes to an end, because if they start throwing missile we all humans will be gone for extinction.

I think he just wants to keep on doing the "Russian way" and go reach the USSR levels of map once again. He doesn't need to actually control the lands, he just needs puppets around him and Zelensky showed that he is not interested in that. Look at Belarus, they are basically their own nation but they are not liked by many and Russia put a puppet at the top of the board there.

This is why I believe that there is a good case to be made about Ukraine attack not even being about an attack. Just get rid of their leader, put a puppet leader that is more pro-Russian and then leave them be. It is never about lands, it is about being in control for Putin and he wasn't in control of Ukraine at all.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

They could get resources from Ukraine, all is about resources. If you see building an empire requires resources, and the world cannot give it to all countries. That is why either you have your own or get it from others, this is survival in here we are talking.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 05, 2022, 06:56:02 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

From their perspective it is about their national security because Ukraine wanted to join the European Union and they wanted to join the NATO which is a big security risk for Russia and in that perspective that is the reason for this attack so that they can remove the current president and place a new puppet government that would listen to Russia.

Yes one of them or maybe that's what underlies Russia's attack on Ukraine,
they Russians are worried that if Ukraine does join the EU and NATO,
and with this war the losses suffered were of course from Ukrainian civilians who did not know anything and many also died besides that they also lost their homes and were forced to flee to safer neighboring countries

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Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

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My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

From their perspective it is about their national security because Ukraine wanted to join the European Union and they wanted to join the NATO which is a big security risk for Russia and in that perspective that is the reason for this attack so that they can remove the current president and place a new puppet government that would listen to Russia.

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Quote from: arwin100 on March 04, 2022, 07:12:23 AM

We cannot see any benefits in Russian side on this wat since we see sanctions everywhere happening these days and people who are in Russia is suffering so much towards those sanction impose to them. The primary intention of Putin about this is Ukraine shouldn't join nato since the power of USA will widespread more and they can control the country they want to target, we can see how strong their presence since when they impose sanction on Russia many other country follows. That's why this war for Ukraine is maybe a way of Putin to warn others not to join on NATO.

Russian "people" will suffer from these, citizens, even rich people will probably suffer from this but not too much. Not like wealthy oligarchs of Russia will suddenly need to live on pension, we are talking about wealthy people who hide their wealth so well that we do not know them and even after having so much money they are not ranked in Forbes most of the time.

However, government will not suffer, they will do anything they want and still live amazingly, Putin will not lose a meal over this, he will continue his life without ever feeling getting a single cent poorer even after all of these sanctions. Why? Because he gets all of his power from being a dictator and can say and get anything he wants.

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Quote from: raidarksword on March 04, 2022, 07:10:42 AM

This is why money is the root of evil and this war just making profits to parties associated with and the sad part of these that civilians is the main victims here. This is why this war should be stop as soon as possible because the longer it takes the more lives will be wasted.

the correct quote:

' For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.' from the Bible 1 Timothy 6:10

which means this in modern English:

the love of money is the root of all evil = correct

not this:

money is the root of all evil = false

Ie: I do not love money I will not harm people places or things on purpose to get more money

Ie : I love money I will hurt people people places or things if I get more money by doing it.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 26, 2022, 05:30:30 PM

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?

I think the reason on why Putin started an invasion against Ukraine is due to its psychological impact and warfare. It is not about the resources perse but the fact that it shows a statement around the world that Russia can at least start a war with a country and establish themselves as a hegemonic country.

Again, though there are vast resources in Ukraine and it also has an advantageous geographical location, it is more on this psychological warfare on why Putin is so obsessed in invading Ukraine. Since almost all countries are in support of Ukraine, this has taken a toll on Putin's idea and how he is slowly collapsing from this decision.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on March 05, 2022, 06:34:36 AM

I guess Putin is fighting for the betterment of Russian people not to allow other countries to control their resources and other things in the country. Putin is not doing those things because of money he will achieve from the government account because he is a wealthy man in the country which many citizens knew him as a good man that want the best for his country. Putin is fighting for power not money because he understood that when you have power, to get money to improve the economy the war has collapsed is very easy to achieve in the country. Based on the announcement Putin made today show that he will definitely achieve the power for this war between them and Ukraine country.

Well I do understand why Putin stand on this war because he was only protecting their land, he being a leader of one of the largest mass land in the earth wants for the betterment of Russian people and he feel threaten on the agenda of Nato or the Wester country trying to get close on their land. He is protecting their land, their resources to be controlled by other races. However, during this kind of crisis the civilian people are the one who suffer most in this war that's why I am hoping and praying that this war may over now.

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May be it’s all about the Land! They will posses the land and gain huge natural resources from the same. Though war is heavy they might still get some infra adopted as it is. Once the settlement is grown one more time they will start receiving the taxes, more businesses will bloom which will be working for the Russia. The Black Sea coastal area would be another hot spot for international trades if world still accepts them.

However, I see that war turned out completely wrong here. Russia thought Ukraine is weak country but it turned out to be they are holding pretty good.

So economical situation of the Russia is gonna be destroyed heavily.

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