Topic: War requires three things - page 4. (Read 556 times)

well that's not the reason why putin declared war against Ukraine.

And how they become profitable after that war that despite of the situation surely they keep buying expensive weapon from other countries?

That war has a bad impact on their economy. So it's a big question to be honest if afterwards putin become profitable.  I cannot imagine how is that possible to happen.

To surrender to Russia means that they have lost sovereignty to Russia and then they will subject to Russian again and the Ukrainians don't want that. They want to stand with their president and they have already started to volunteer themselves for army and fight Russia. I think this war might turn into something that will bring confusion in the world. Time may come when some countries, the Russian enemies will develop sympathy for Ukraine.

Let me start by replacing profitability with other similar worlds like beneficiary then you can understand what Putin wants. Irrespective of how this war ends Putin has achieve his armed. He doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO and that isn't happening. Putin would either take control of Ukraine through force as he's doing or they'll come into a peaceful agreement that would be beneficiary to him. Putin just want to ensure NATO does take advantage of Ukraine to continue their eastward expansion.

It's either Putin wins or new world war begin which Russia is fully prepared for. Ukraine knows they'll be on the losing end and if they continue to resist, they might lose control of their country. Nobody is coming to save Ukraine so they better think fast and surrender.

I will also add a quote from Cicero, which sounds like this: "Better a bad peace than a good war"
Everyone has long known that Russia and Ukraine did not begin to quarrel with each other yesterday. But we choose presidents with you whose responsibility it is to keep their people safe. The fact that the presidents cannot negotiate peacefully, without waging war, is completely their fault, and ordinary people suffer, as always.
We are simple ordinary people, on both sides, the lives of their families, the health of their loved ones and relatives are important to people, this should be the prerogative of our relationship.
Therefore, wise rulers must make concessions, realizing that there will be no great love between peoples, but also realizing that preventing war should be the very first step.

What if the ultimate goal is not Ukraine? The way everything Putin doing highly recommended that possibility. That looks like a out of place operation which is very surprising for world 2nd largest military. Their attack should be coordinated and decisive but We have only seen some shelling, bombing and mercenary troops fighting. This war will be profitable or not this could be find out once we know Putin's ultimate plan.

There is financial gain in war, but that may not necessarily be the profit Putin has planned to make with the war against Ukraine. His profit may be in land and acquisition of power. Money on the other hand is the profit some other countries stand to gain from war. During wars, there is a large investment in weaponry and countries who manufacture weaponry are huge beneficiaries of war.

War is not supposed to be profitable unless the country under invasion has natural resources that's worth something. Ukraine has nothing. Putin views the invasion of Ukraine as an investment into Russia’s national security. Ukraine inevitably would have formed closer ties to the west and possibly would have joined NATO had it not been for an invasion. Putin understands the geopolitical pressure of having a western ally right on its border, so he's willing to eat the cost of war.

Yes Putin already is very rich and there are tons of rich people already in Russia. He is not doing this to make money. I don’t know exactly what his motives are but I think he wants to bring back the USSR pretty much. Wants to control more people.

When you got all the money in the world, you probably want to have control over a larger population. He wants to invade the capital and take control and hope people of Ukraine will follow him, whether that will work or not is anyone’s guess.

It began because NATO trying to arm Ukraine.Russia repeatedly warn US and NATO but they never listened.
Ukraine is not a part of NATO though,yet Russia has now invaded the country.Russia clearly wants under their control whether they are part of NATO or not.

I do agree about the NATO thingy, and what's what Putin wanted to prevent here, he doesn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO because he knows that they will get a lot of help.

Well we can go back to the history of Ukraine and Russia post USSR fall out, and maybe this is the reason why he doesn't want to recognized Ukraine because he believes they are still part of Russia by all means and that is enough for Putin to invade it no matter what the repercussions of his aggression. So for me there is no money involved.

Interesting quote, had not heard that one from Napoleon before. He’s certainly not wrong. I think Putins end game is to take a bunch of land, it’s people and resources that he has otherwise would not have had and add it all to the Russian economy. Over time it will pay for that cost of war, casualties/lives lost.

This is one reason, apart from this Putin wants to form the Soviet Russia which is the union of countries and be more powerful as the past. For now Ukraine looks like a hindrance as they weren't obeying the orders. This has happened after the new President Volodymyr Zelenskyy took rule of Ukraine. If he had behaved as a puppet as the previous president Petro Poroshenko now this couldn't have happened.

The Russian president Putin is using this war against the good people of Ukraine to bow to his plan and that they should not even think of joining NATO.

Ukraine is not part of NATO, we all know what will be the move of NATO if any NATO country is involved. NATO countries already said that before that no soldiers will be deployed to Ukraine which I believe is because of their agreement because Ukraine is not part of NATO.

Yes, that is what Putin wanted but some European countries are sending weaponry to Ukraine, I think they are involving themselves indirectly, but they do not deploy soldiers to Ukraine.

It is basically simple, Putin does not want the Western powers to slowly creep into his backyard and strengthen a nation he considers an opposition, Putin also aims to expose NATO as not actually being as strong as people think it is, that is why he strategically threatened NATO, EU, U.K, The U.S. and any other nation that tries to interfere prior to this invasion, that threat sent shock waves around the world, and that is exactly what Putin wanted, and just as he instilled that fear, no country has, or will interfere in this battle, at least not militarily, they are only doing so through sanctions.

Having said that, and as regards the sanctions, Russia does not seem to be too ruffled by them just yet, that could be another reason for this, i am pretty sure Putin was expecting this sanctions before he invaded, thus is he sending a message to other parts of Europe that Russia is too important, and they are actually the ones that cannot do without them, of course we know they are the leading producers of oil in Europe. To be honest we really cannot predict what is in it for Putin, does he want to capture Ukraine completely, in my opinion nothing is out of the cards for now, and their real motive would be revealed as things progress and in what direction it does; but for now it seems to be about establishing dominance.

Putin said Russia wants the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine which means the whole of Ukraine will be under Russia government control. Donald Trump said a person that wants to take over a country, that how will $2 sanction means anything to him. Putin wants to take control of the whole of Ukraine, may be looking for ways for a modern USSR.

His profit is simple, to win and control Ukraine region. Putin is not looking for financial benefit but a proof of superiority against Ukraine and if Putin get this to him he will assume the war is profitable to him anything else less for Putin is not profitable. To take Zelensky (Ukraine president) or chase him out from Ukraine is the target and the Ukraine president refused to bow out.

When there is anything that evolve materials then money is key and that's not just war alone everything around the world that demands materials mostly needs money. I deep down I pray the war stops it's affecting matins economy the poor the more the hardship is felt, there should be dialogue and peaceful resolution should hold on.

we don't know how putin's mind works but definitely he's very serious to finish this war with ukraine at all cost. he won't back down up until he didn't get what he wants. i don't think he started this war thinking that he will stop in the middle of it. nope... he started this aiming to win nothing else. losing is not in his vocabulary. why he stated that if somebody will interfere, they will suffer the consequences.
profitable or not, i guess by now, his main interest is to win this war over ukraine. so long he can show to the world that he has this power to invade the former soviet union republic, that's his main target. all the other things will follow once he got ukraine under his power.

According to Napoleon, wars require just three things: "money, money and money". - this is probably not a true quote. "The sinews of war are infinite money" - this is attributed to Cicero and is probably true, " The first and most imperative necessity in war is money" - from Ida Turbel.... well I am sure you get the idea.

My question to the forum is how does Putin intend to make the war of aggression against Ukraine be eventually profitable?