Topic: Wardrick account hacked---trust abuse resolution in sight (finally) - page 18. (Read 25324 times)

There must be a way to resolve this like gentlemen. No more arguing etc.
Quickseller what say you my friend?

Virtual handshake with TSP?
Remove that negative trust that is ruining TSP from 2 years ago?

A fresh start?

And TSP remove your negative trust on QS?
Come on guys, none of you 2 are scammers, we know the truth. Let's catch the real bad guys

I'm glad to hear from you.  I guess I'm mainly surprised that you would have taken the time to block pms from me, I don't know if I offended you ever, but I certainly have no grievance with you, as far as I know.   In fact, last time you put QS on your list I recall that you very smoothly brokered peace in this unneccesary situation very effectively.  When I saw you had QS back on your list, I was actually happy to see it was you for figuring that you would have him remove his attacks once you saw he had readded them after you had let him go the first time.  Thus my surprise at PM block.

Anyway, as I said, it seems unfortunate that we're doing this publically rather than privately, but here it is: can you talk to quickseller about how he might be appeased to remove his negative rating upon my account?  I have a long reputation of being helpful and causing no harm and the last 4 months of fighting with him over some false allegations has really taken a toll.  What can I do?  Can you help?

--TSP

I re-added QS to my list because he's good at weeding out the scammers. While I realize that there may be some ruffled feathers because of this, I feel that it's better to prevent people from losing potentially a lot of real money than it is to have a handful of people upset about it. In the end though, your grievance is with QS, not with me.

You don't mix things, MZ.  I admited that I was experimenting with bots using TFs approval and help.  I admited that there were a million bots on that site and that I was merely one of many people experiminting and learing about the API. I admitted that it was my first time dealing with asynchronous code and that I made mistakes.  I never found out if or how much I might have gotten from any mistakes because TF was making up numbers (lying!) about how much he wanted repaid.  If he had been more reasonably, it's completely possible that I owe him 10Ksat or something like that.  However, he wouldn't be talked to about it.  He merely said PAY BACK X OR BE BANNED.  And every time he said X it was different.  His first X was like 1.5 bitcoin which I didn't even have at the time (it was waaaaay more than I had withdrawn from his site, ever), then he started picking other numbers but wouldn't say how he was generating them.  Sounds a lot like a scammer himself, right?  Well, what has history shown us here?  And what would you do in such a situation?


You have no idea what happened on that site or what my motivations were and neither does QS. That is the whole issue here, QS has spammed my trust rating with 3 separate acccounts (trust abuse?) over something which is merely an unsubstantiated allegation from a completely discredited source.  You don't know anything about that site or it's rules and neither does he.  He just found something which he thinks is okay to make some kind of smear attack on me with and he's clinging to it for months now as he tries to do as much damage to me as possible.  He goes on and off of default trust because of these vendettas and anger-sessions.  XinXan, if you want to participate in this topic helpfully, try to stick to things you have first hand knowledge of.  When you spread a lie started by TF, echoed by QS, echoed by QS's alt, echoed by you (are you one of QS's alts?) then that's a rumor mill and it has nothing to do with the truth.

I just don't like to see confrontation. This was supposedly 2 years ago. Is there even any definitive proof or is it just TradeFortress vs TSP? One mans words against anothers?

TradeFortress looks to be the biggest scammer on here except Karpeles - he 'lost' over 4000 bitcoin.

TSP doesn't even trade as far as I can see & this one indiscretion looks to have ruined him.  

That's the one thing about the trust system that bugs me, a user can have 99 positive trust feedbacks but 1 negative from somebody on default trust & it's game over for them.

Why would quickseller change his negative trust? Using a bot is not a scam or a crime, using a bot to SCAM its a scam, he broke the rules of that specific site to gain profit, its like using a bot to claim from the same faucet without waiting the necessary period of time, thats scamming the site's owner.

Even if he did use a bot in a chat room it's not really a scam is it?
I dunno, I'm out......

I just think this needs resolving. Could Quickseller at least change his trust on TSP to neutral? It's gone on too long.
Shake hands & move on?

Tspacepilot did withdrew coins he got using "bot chat". See reference link -- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11163154.

Don't mix things saying "TF is a scammer, so no words said by him can be trusted or is true" which is the exact argument of yours and tspacepilot's.

I'm not against Quickseller (I've never even interacted with him/her) but I really feel this issue needs resolving.
tspacepilot is not a scammer.

Is there no way you can remove this negative trust Quickseller? For the good of the forum?

Please!

Be a good man & end this dispute.
I don't want to get too involved but this does need resolving once & for all.

Look at 'TradeFortress' trust (The guy at the centre of this dispute)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058

I could.  But I think it's only fair to contact them first, since what they said to me was that they don't want to be associated with criticizing him.  I would only reveal these people if they okayed it explicitly because they clearly told me they didn't want to speak up for fear of negative repurcussions.  I hope you understand.


I find it extremely surprising because I don't know tomatocage well at all, I have posted the entirety of my conversations with him above, and as you can see there was nothing but a short and civil exchange.  That he would have added QS to his list and then immediately blocked me seems weird to me.  For a moment I thought that perhaps he was pm blocking everything and simply looking for correspondence with email.  I emailed him at that moment but haven't heard back.  I don't want to start to many rumors, but there was this weird thing where QS was selling a default trust account, it seems too "conspiracy theory"-like to be true, but notice:

1) QS selling default trust account
2) QS making a public threat to "stop me" in a thread three days ago
3) TC readding QS and blocking pms from tspacepilot just after.

I would love it if anyone who does have contact with TC could confirm that he's aware of this situation and perhaps pass along some rationale about why he wouldn't like to discuss it.  I'm just finding his closed-door suspciously different from what happened last time I contacted him.


If I have trolled QS, it was only in defense of my own reputation, which he made threats against and trolled using many accounts across many threads for months.  If I were to document all of the insults and threads in which he or an alt of his has attacked me it would fill more a small book at this point.   He's not only trolled me, but cost me money now on more than one occassion.  We know that when I admit he has cost me money he sits back and laughs, because his ultimate goal here is to cause me pain because for some reason he has chosen that I am some kind of mortal enemy to him.  Belive me, I really just want the harrassment and lies against me to end.  And I am finding it shockingly unbelievable that someone who behaves this way is getting trusted by the real TC.

What can I do here, people?  How long can this kind of randomly stupid abuse be allowed?

I think that Tomatocage has already noticed this thread and maybe (like someone said) he doesn't want to conversate with you.

Why it does not surprise me that people who is against quickseller is 99% marked red by him? You, in this case, you have other neutral ratings by highly trusted members as well, why would tomatocage care about this thread? Nothing said here did in any way prove that quickseller has been giving bad ratings constantly.

Whatever, bro.

Wow this is really sad that he is in the default list again . It is definitely true that he doesn't do things based on whats real and whats not but heavily lets his ego influence his decisions.
I am sure TC would have read this thread by now , but no idea why he chose to ignore it .


I know I have repeatedly pointed this out but you should also make him aware of how he puts trust on 2 exactly similar cases.  pagalwana , proved earlier to be an alt account of a scammer was given as collateral for a loan . Quickseller initially added a negative trust to the account  . Later that person who got the account asked Quickseller to act as an escrow for the sale of the account and just because Quickseller was getting 1$ for the trade he agreed and removed his negative trust. I actually had an exactly same case where I purchased the account from the person who initially gave the loan . The trust got added just as the same way after 2 months but just because I didn't use QS as an escrow and criticized his trust , he didn't care about the case after that. I believe its definitely not right to have him in the default list .

I can understand why people only say sorry to him, look what he did. Tspacepilot trolled QS . QS search an old thread just to give him red trust yay! So everyone that hate or troll or stand against QS will suffer the same fate. Perhaps QS search all transaction just to mark all your alt, who knows?

Anyway i like QS scam busting, he has identified a lot of scammer but this thing with tspacepilot is off the limit. Neutral rating is better

How funny, so someone can't hate QS or TC? You will neg rep person that hates you? And if I say I hate theymos or badbear does that means I'm a scammer and deserve red? Very funny trust system, we are not allowed to hate someone on default trust, beware of negative if you do !

If this is true, then can you list the names of these people who have PMed you so that you can prove your claims here?

I won't neg-rep the people you name. Quickseller won't. TC won't. (Okay - I can't guarantee QS and TC won't but I make that claim based on the fact I'm 99% sure they wouldn't do that just for them stating their opinion)

Thanks for weighing in, BB.  I guess I'm kinda shocked to find that he's ignoring me given our very short and cordial conversations in the past.  I think there's nothing personal in here, so I want to go ahead and publish it.  This is the entire contact history between me and tomatocage:



What your negative rating by someone on default trust?  Were you kicked out of a signature ad campaign?  Were you being smeared endlessly for months over something you didn't do?  If so, then I admire your ability to "walk away and start again", but after 3 years on this forum with absolutely no issues, I just can't accept that QS can walk up and start making up lies and take away my income.  That seems completely unjust.  And I think you know it.

What's terrible is this, I keep getting PMs in the last few days from people saying that they're sorry about what I'm going through with QS and this default trust nonsense (again!)---that they appreciate me standing up to QS.  When I say to them, why don't you speak up in public if you've got an issue with him, they just write that there's no way they'd cross him in public because they see what he's doing to me.  That he is online writing hundreds of posts per day and will take them down just like he's taking me down.  Basically, dude is about as big a bully as you can imagine, people are scared to speak up to him.  Worhipper was neg-repped merely for refusing to do business with him.  ndnhc was false accuse and possibly framed by him.  I am still being attacked by him.  He's neg-repped me with up to 3 alts (isn't this against the rules?).  What can we do to end this nonsense?

QS said that when he was removed from Badbear's list, he had a DT account which he doesn't own anymore. I guess he sold it and it means he is still selling DT accounts.

I am glad that you don't appreciate him selling DT accounts.

Anyone know what are the usernames of the accounts he sold are or want to help me find out?

If they do anything bad then he should get some negative trust too for selling them to scammers.