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Topic: Warning: blockchain.info may register you IP, even if you don't use them! - page 2. (Read 6123 times)

legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1001
bitcoin - the aerogel of money
Tor is over complicated and correct me if I am wrong, Tor even do not have a non-GUI version?

Then use a VPN instead of Tor.  In the age of data retention, not using a VPN for all your internet activity is like handing over your privacy on a plate.  They are not that expensive anymore and they are easy to use. There is no excuse not to!


legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
I kind of enjoy perusing through the IP logs and speculating as to the actual IP/location of the owners of various addresses.  I vote keep it.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
What!?? I cant believe what I am reading in this thread! So many Bitcoin using supposed privacy advocates ranting about privacy concerns?
I really thought you guys took civil rights more seriously. Instead you claim that governments and hackers of all sorts already collect all kinds of data and that one more company doing their job shouldnt be a concern? Some here even endorse that practice!

How would you like if any company publicized all aggregated info they have on you?

- Name
- Address
- Telefone number, dials, bill and conversation summaries (Horizon, Telekom, Vodafon,..)
- Email, contacts, conversations and attachments (google, yahoo,..)
- Friends and other contacts (Facebook, flickr, Whats App,..)
- Payments and savings (your bank, blockchain.info, Paypal,..)
- Internet traffic, IP, ...

There is a reason for this information to remain private.

I join the vote for blockchain.info as well as any other entity to adhere to those simple standards.

thank you!
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
What!?? I cant believe what I am reading in this thread! So many Bitcoin using supposed privacy advocates ranting about privacy concerns?
I really thought you guys took civil rights more seriously. Instead you claim that governments and hackers of all sorts already collect all kinds of data and that one more company doing their job shouldnt be a concern? Some here even endorse that practice!

How would you like if any company publicized all aggregated info they have on you?

- Name
- Address
- Telefone number, dials, bill and conversation summaries (Horizon, Telekom, Vodafon,..)
- Email, contacts, conversations and attachments (google, yahoo,..)
- Friends and other contacts (Facebook, flickr, Whats App,..)
- Payments and savings (your bank, blockchain.info, Paypal,..)
- Internet traffic, IP, ...

There is a reason for this information to remain private.

I join the vote for blockchain.info as well as any other entity to adhere to those simple standards.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
Everyone needs to understand that:

1. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer technology. As such, everyone can know and control what peers they are connecting to.

2. Peers are identified based on their IP addresses, which are assigned by third parties - private companies. You have no control over this. Furthermore, you are using third-party infrastructure to communicate messages between third-party assigned identifiers. You have no control over infrastructure. This is the reason why the military of most countries, or powerful corporations, build and use their own network infrastructure.

Overall, do not expect privacy. You may make extra effort, but judge this effort in the context of an ever-changing game.

I would rather have all the information available to everyone, than all the information exclusively available to someone. This way nobody gains an unfair advantage that leads to abuse.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
what if i started publicly displaying IP of visitors to my pron site would that be cool?

I vote take down IP...
Nonsense, bitcoin relayed transaction display the IP.

So you vote take down bitcoin? Good luck

i realize its not possible to do the tx without the IP, but it doesn't NEED to be displayed in a user friendly manner allowing everyone to see...

legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
what if i started publicly displaying IP of visitors to my pron site would that be cool?

I vote take down IP...
Nonsense, bitcoin relayed transaction display the IP.

So you vote take down bitcoin? Good luck
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Tor is over complicated and correct me if I am wrong, Tor even do not have a non-GUI version?

Tor is insanely easy and it doesn't have a non-gui version
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
Government agencies already can and do track network activities and tie them to IP addresses. Bitcoin, and blockchain.info in this case simply makes things fair by making certain - easily available - information public, instead of being exclusively available to chosen entities. That is a good thing. Collect the IPs. You might be surprised what you find in there. What you cannot find leads us to the next point - and is also what others cannot find. Again, very fair.

As already pointed out, what is available are the transactions my node has relayed to the blockchain.info server. It is hard to prove that I was the one who created the transaction, and I can make this even harder by connecting to Tor, too.

OP, does any of this make you feel any better?

What if goverment allow bitcoin but ask all bitcoin client register IP when they get a broadcast for certain period?
Again, they don't need to "ask" you to this. This is readily available to them if they want to have it. Again, Bitcoin removes at least some of the unfair advantage of government over people by making the information available to everyone.

hero member
Activity: 547
Merit: 500
Decor in numeris
Tor is over complicated and correct me if I am wrong, Tor even do not have a non-GUI version?
It does.  Here is how to run it on a Mac: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/MacRunOnBoot
And there is more info about command lines etc here (digging it out is a bit tricky, I have seen more well-structured docs):
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
what if i started publicly displaying IP of visitors to my pron site would that be cool?

I vote take down IP...
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Tor is over complicated and correct me if I am wrong, Tor even do not have a non-GUI version?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
This thread is so much fail.
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and a suggestion to blockchain.info to stop registering IPs of individual transaction, please!
Why? So the government does that BUT does not tell you? This is how bitcoin works, and blockchain.info exposes that. They are doing a service.

What if goverment allow bitcoin but ask all bitcoin client register IP when they get a broadcast for certain period?

i know! i know! lets bend over preemptively
What I am saying we should take caution and think about some solution!

Use tor, there solved
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
This thread is so much fail.
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and a suggestion to blockchain.info to stop registering IPs of individual transaction, please!
Why? So the government does that BUT does not tell you? This is how bitcoin works, and blockchain.info exposes that. They are doing a service.

What if goverment allow bitcoin but ask all bitcoin client register IP when they get a broadcast for certain period?

i know! i know! lets bend over preemptively
What I am saying we should take caution and think about some solution!
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
This thread is so much fail.
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and a suggestion to blockchain.info to stop registering IPs of individual transaction, please!
Why? So the government does that BUT does not tell you? This is how bitcoin works, and blockchain.info exposes that. They are doing a service.

What if goverment allow bitcoin but ask all bitcoin client register IP when they get a broadcast for certain period?

i know! i know! lets bend over preemptively
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Yea blockchain is just taking the ip of the first node to to relay the transaction to them, so you must be connected to them. If you use -connect and connect to a clients you know isn't yours or is on a server that will not happen. None of my transactions actually point to my full node.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
i have to agree with picobit.... publicly displaying the ip addresses is just not cool.
they could show a marker on the map fine, but printing out the IP... not cool under any circumstances.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
This thread is so much fail.
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and a suggestion to blockchain.info to stop registering IPs of individual transaction, please!
Why? So the government does that BUT does not tell you? This is how bitcoin works, and blockchain.info exposes that. They are doing a service.

What if goverment allow bitcoin but ask all bitcoin client register IP when they get a broadcast for certain period?
hero member
Activity: 547
Merit: 500
Decor in numeris
The main point of this thread was not so much to ask blockchain not to do this (although I also did that) but to point out that they do it.

As some of you say: blockchain.info just exposes that this can be done (and make it easier for any amateur to get the info).  But that exposure is only worth anything if we notice it!  Pointing that out was my main purpose.  I should obviously have noticed this earlier, but didn't.  Perhaps other people also overlooked this.  

Does posting this make me look a bit foolish?  Perhaps.  But if it keeps somebody out of trouble it is worth it.

Note that no significant harm is done, to me at least.  I have not used my bitcoins for nefarious purposes (and would certainly have used Tor if I did!).
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1001
bitcoin - the aerogel of money
Blockchain.info only shows which IP address relayed the transaction. This is not proof that the transaction originated from that IP address.

I suggest you hook up your full node to Tor. That way you will relay random transactions from the inside the Tor network, in addition to your own transactions. This will give you plausible deniability, because it will be impossible for an external observer to distinguish your transactions from random Tor users'.  

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