Topic: WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside! - page 110. (Read 70335 times)

It isn't even close to being the same thing, no.

Whoever believes that TOR is 100% anonymous as claimed by the signature from DeepOnion is an outright idiot. Bugs were present, and likely are present among various attack surfaces. End of.

DeepOnion isn't a competitor to anything, don't make bad jokes.

RIP.

There's nothing scammy about wanting to make money off of your own project. If the dev delivers something that is accepted and promoted by the community, he deserves a large chunk of the pie for literally creating it.

If that wasn't the case there would be literally nothing available and humans would still live in bloody caves. Are you seriously arguing against trying to make a profit off of your own work?

By the end of the last round we will see if the dev spread out the coins as previously claimed. If he does there is nothing scammy or deplorable about the project in any way.

In either case, he's not extorting morons out of their money in the form of a poorly planned ICO with a dreadful whitepaper that doesn't even make any points so this is definitely one of the least suspicious projects that are currently available, seeing as how just about everything else these days is an ICO with zero completed development.


Do I know if this is a "scam" or not? No, nobody does at this point and flagging projects based on such a laughable suspicion would literally kill crypto-currencies as a whole if it was the norm.

Lauda as much as I disagree with your banning of me from the Bitmixer campaign (R.I.P), you have a point about this being shady.

However, keep something in mind. While I am not suggesting you are wrong, don't forget even a company like BTC-e which is the most shady of all is working hard to pay back everyone who had funds on their exchange despite the fact we do not know their identities. They could take our BTC and run, but they are legit. From this perspective, DeepONION could also be legit, and their owners simply hiding their identities. IT doesn't prove they aren't legit. Hope this makes sense...

It is the same thing. I'm not comparing the entities, I'm comparing the way they speak. Pretend I didn't say "quantum dot", it was just an example of bullshit marketing speak.

I took your point to be that Tor isn't secure because it has had bugs exploited in the past. Unless you plan on not using software, the threat of bugs being exploited is ubiquitous. The imprecise wording of "100%" I dealt with elsewhere.

I haven't argued for or against DeepOnion as yet (I've just been answering select points I disagreed with, like you mentioning bugs in OpenSSL or the shills using similarly flawed logic). I don't give a toss about the politics beyond grabbing some popcorn and letting it play out, so disregarding that I'll just say this:

I see nothing wrong with competition in the "anon-crypto" market, which already has a lot of competition. I doubt DeepOnion can make a big impact to that market, but far be it from me to stop them from trying. For the market in general, Monero is top dog and I don't see that changing (unless some major design flaws in Monero exhibit themselves, unlikely), but that is just my opinion.

It is not the same thing, comparing the misleading marketing of a strong and established brand vs. the misleading marketing of an unknown and shady developer.

Your statement does not, in any way, affect my point.

Again in other words: There is no reason for DeepOnion to exist (regardless whether it does what it claims to do or not (minus the fake advertising)).

Marketing is marketing, it is all language that does not usually treat clarity, reality or consumers with the utmost respect. If you'd prefer, I could say something like "everyone exaggerates on their CV". I don't agree with it.

If I can use an obvious statement against your point, what does it say about your point?

There definitely is. Monero anonymises transactions on the blockchain, but it doesn't hide the fact that your ip is interacting with it. There is the option of using Monero over Tor, which I'd recommend if you're that into using Monero for privacy (https://github.com/monero-project/monero#using-tor ).

Let's not compare shady developers and their shitcoins with big companies and their marketing departments.

You're stating the obvious though.

There is absolutely no reason to do this when there are existing solutions such as Monero.

Yes.

now this coin is scam or not?

Bad PR = good PR = any PR.

Technically yes. I am a pedant when it comes to how I speak, partly because I've been around long enough to know that no matter how you say something, someone will misinterpret you, so being clear is important. Not everyone agrees, especially on the internet. I'm willing to ignore a certain amount of imprecise wording from people online, you can't correct everyone and they seldom thank you for it. It could also be argued that "100% anonymous" is an example of marketing speak, another way to say unclear jibberish (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_jargon ). When was the last time your eyes didn't glaze over when a product description says something like "quantum dot technology" or "4x performance". It doesn't make it right, it's just the norm of advertising, so unless it's rife or particularly egregious, it's probably not worth fixating on.

Yes, but every piece of software has bugs, using that as an argument is not very strong unless the bugs are found but never patched. If the software is open source, and the community is active enough that there is a reasonable expectation that due diligence has been performed, that's the best we can hope for (that heartbleed bug though ).

Yes, I was giving a more compelling argument than "bugs in software". A lot of the traffic analysis that can be done comes from controlling exit nodes, which is why I went on to outline the best way I think a crypto could try to use Tor for maximal anonymity. Yes there have been (probably still are) traffic analysis attacks on hidden services, but it's still the most secure way to use Tor in all likelihood. I think for most people, a properly implemented Tor crypto is enough to consider yourself more secure than someone can be bothered with, but if you're a real multi-million dollar drug money launderer, probably taking some extra precautions would be wise

Having a cult-following IS value. Even if the cult is full of raving lunatics who got paid like $0.25 worth of Chuck E Cheese Tokens (honestly more useful than most the ICOs today).

That's why I say {scamcoin} can still have a future. It's still a scam, but so is Herbalife, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef, and other "multi-level" marketing companies. They are as close to pyramid schemes as you can get without legally being a pyramid scheme. So are most ICOs today.

Plenty of people are convinced that ETH is a scam. A lot of experts in this field don't even want to get near it due to its centralization. If you want to keep your head in the ground, then so be it.

In other words: DeepOnion is falsely marketing itself, and I am right. Someone understands it.

They were abused long before they were discovered, and post discovery.

Which are present.

Exactly. When you out this shitcoin, they come swarming like an army.

Yeah there might be some people who think its scam wanting to cash out a nice pump but I think for the most part its far more likely they just want some % of the coins they helped to create, to me it seems strange to want to show support for a project such as this and then turn around and say "I dont even want any of these coins."

Personally not sure, the whole thing seems great but there are some concerns so I'll get my free coins and over the next few weeks of the airdrops I'll see how things work out and how the dev handled themself before investing more off the exchanges. It's too early to know for sure.

There is no risk/reward if you don't buy onions at exchange.
You can get them in signature campaign for posting 10 posts/week, so this would better be called  work/reward.

DeepOnion might be a scam. I personally only invest in coins that seem to have fair leadership (I really like Decred, for example).

But this kind of thing happens all the time in silicon valley. Too much investor cash right now. The stupid money means more scams. I would listen when someone is willing to spend their time and effort. Does that mean DO will be worth $0? I don't think so, but we won't know til someone actually finds a use for the product. I'll just wait for a better risk/reward.

Most bounties are just ways to pay people less than minimum wage (or nothing at all) to do some very valuable work for you. Almost every ICO is currently doing bounties in some form. I mean people are literally getting in flame wars over who gets to translate to Portuguese for 1000 of the latest bigscamcoin.

Notice all the supporters of the scam coin deep onion are members with the signature requirements to get the coin, they are a paid Schill. If it looks like a scam, smells like a scam it must be a scam. I wont waste my time with a shit coin that is not giving away what it says it will give away. I bet you will get like 2 coins for your efforts.

No, this topic reveals interesting technical aspects which I never knew.
Without doubt lauda has a lot of experience and revealed many scams so far and I like to hear all opinions.
I learned much from this thread, thanks to all.

Deeponions is not a scam, it's the future of the TOR browser


Do not forget that TOR helped the development of BTC, it was one of the main causes of purchase of BTC before (around 2010) to buy on blackmarket

This topic looks like attempt to decrease price of Onion to find out good point of enter on Exchange.%)