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Topic: WARNING scammer r0ach now shilling for the Monero hoax - page 6. (Read 7380 times)

legendary
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Monero Core Team
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You lose the technical arguments
and now you try to argue for victory on a technicality when you know damn well why I am pissed off.

Grow some people skills. Treat people like shit and waste their time and attack in droves and you will not be liked. Period.


Now that you 3 guys have wasted several hours of my day. May I bill you $500 for my lost time? Of course not. But I hope you understand how wasteful this is.


No one dare speak up about Monero, lest they lose their entire income due to endless attacks.

Again another unsubstantiated claim.
sr. member
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Monero's hash rate is probably >1/1000 of Bitcoin when adjusted to equivalent energy. It is quite secure against 1000x attacks, especially considering they are not entirely effective as they were against some gen 1 alts. Algorithmically it is reasonably secure against 100x difficulty spike attacks (as are most other current alts such as Dash), though somewhat better than those that don't have a variable blocksize (again such as Dash) to absorb a transaction backlog.

That isn't saying much when BitCON is only using 1/1000th of the world's electricity.

So Monero uses 1 millionth of the world's electricity. Whoop–de–do.


Edit: and downthread even ArticMine admits Monero is likely to lose 1/10th of its hashrate as block rewards decline to the tail emission, so that will be 1/10th of a millionth. And remember you and I were originally the only (vocal) guys who wanted a tail emission and rest of the Monero community didn't and Monero didn't have a tail emission before they realized we were correct.
sr. member
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It is self-evident that Monerotards attack in droves.

If you don't like being associated with that foul mouth, then say so.

You made an allegation that you cannot support. Please do not try to justify it with insults or by repeating the allegation.

You lose the technical arguments and now you try to argue for victory on a technicality when you know damn well why I am pissed off.

Grow some people skills. Treat people like shit and waste their time and attack in droves and you will not be liked. Period.


Now that you 3 guys have wasted several hours of my day. May I bill you $500 for my lost time? Of course not. But I hope you understand how wasteful this is.


No one dare speak up about Monero, lest they lose their entire income due to endless attacks.
legendary
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Merit: 1198
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You send iCEBREAKER here to foam at the mouth. What do you expect?

You three attacking me and not even being coherent on the technical issues.

I did not send anyone to say anything. Again an accusatory allegation with no evidence to support it.

It is self-evident that Monerotards attack in droves.

If you don't like being associated with that foul mouth, then say so. Otherwise, by self-evident association of how you Monerotards popup together in the same attacks on everyone, I'll presume the self-evident association.

How about  looking at it from my side?

How do you think it feels to be on my side and being attacked? And you not even knowing what the discussion was about. iCEBREAKER not even knowing enough about the tech and just hurling his foul mouth. And smooth pretending that China can't produce 100 - 1000X Monero's hashrate for short periods of time.

If you are talking about me, I haven't even been online for most of the past day. I dropped in and posted a few times. Nothing to do with anyone else. Many of the other posts I'm not even reading.

legendary
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Monero Core Team
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It is self-evident that Monerotards attack in droves.

If you don't like being associated with that foul mouth, then say so.

You made an allegation that you cannot support. Please do not try to justify it with insults or by repeating the allegation.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
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You send iCEBREAKER here to foam at the mouth. What do you expect?

You three attacking me and not even being coherent on the technical issues.

I did not send anyone to say anything. Again an accusatory allegation with no evidence to support it.

It is self-evident that Monerotards attack in droves.

If you don't like being associated with that foul mouth, then say so. Otherwise, by self-evident association of how you Monerotards popup together in the same attacks on everyone, I'll presume the self-evident association.

How about  looking at it from my side?

How do you think it feels to be on my side and being attacked? And you not even knowing what the discussion was about. iCEBREAKER not even knowing enough about the tech and just hurling his foul mouth. And smooth pretending that China can't produce 100 - 1000X Monero's hashrate for burst periods of time. I suppose smooth has high security clearance and has access to all the data about the supercomputers that China has. And smooth knows who all the whales are in Bitcoin and what access they have to computing power. Etc... Smooth is omniscient, did you know that!
legendary
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Please stop trying to pretend that Monero's measily hashrate is secure! You are both lying.

Huh? Secure against ordinary 51% attacks and against 1000x attacks are two different things. 51% is possible. It isn't cheap or easy, but possible for someone with significant resources.

Monero's hash rate is probably >1/1000 of Bitcoin when adjusted to equivalent energy. It is quite secure against 1000x attacks, especially considering they are not entirely effective as they were against some gen 1 alts. Algorithmically it is reasonably secure against 100x difficulty spike attacks (as are most other current alts such as Dash), though somewhat better than those that don't have a variable blocksize (again such as Dash) to absorb a transaction backlog.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
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You send iCEBREAKER here to foam at the mouth. What do you expect?

You three attacking me and not even being coherent on the technical issues.

I did not send anyone to say anything. Again an accusatory allegation with no evidence to support it.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
Where for example did I say that Monero is secure against an attack with 1000x its hash rate? Or any POW coin for that matter?

So why are you arguing with me then?

Didn't you realize that was what this discussion was about since the start. Did you even read the attacker's blog article that made that point which started this entire discussion.

1. You don't even know what the discussion is about.
2. smooth tries to argue that 1000X hashrate doesn't exist.
3. iCEBREAKER swallowed expanding foam.
sr. member
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You know why I know you lost the argument. One word in your post.

You send iCEBREAKER here to foam at the mouth. What do you expect?

You three attacking me and not even being coherent on the technical issues.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
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ArcticMine you always drag me into the long nonsense debates and then I win at the end. Please be more respectful of my time.

Incorrect. You claim to win in the end when in fact the opposite is the case.

So you waste my time, forcing me to go dig up links to show where you lost the prior technical arguments. You just don't know how to quit do you. All you Monerotards do is go around stomping on every body else in the forum.

Here is where you didn't understand properly side-chains, CounterParty, RootStock and consensus algorithms:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15283868
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15284907
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286387
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286631
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286694


Wait I will dig up the mistakes you made about Monero's block size adjustment algorithm.

You know why I know you lost the argument. One word in your post.

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I dug up the mistakes you made about Monero's block size adjustment algorithm:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13844014
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13844373
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13848626
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13850005


Please don't make me repeat those discussions. You had your chance already when you made those discussions. No remakes.

Again I dispute your claim that I am incorrect on the matter; however you have saved me time by collecting this material in one place and for this I do thank you.
legendary
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Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
and yet here we go AGAIN.

seconds after i commented LOL

and like 2 years ago you all went and pulled this same shit for 100+ pages before
and in the end got no where with it but spamming the shit out of this place with it all.

the SAME guys as way back sitting here NON STOP pushing & pushing & pushing

..off-topic LOL

AGAIN  Roll Eyes



EDIT:

I asked you all nicely a few questions related to this topic etc
I had an idea and YOU IGNORED me and went off on a tangent.. derailing the topic.
So..
Meanwhile ETH rallied to $15 coin while you old hens pull your your typical bullshit.

Trying to get them ducks in lien is working to well LOL
..they run around all willy nilly "quote from Jake"
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
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ArcticMine you always drag me into the long nonsense debates and then I win at the end. Please be more respectful of my time.

Incorrect. You claim to win in the end when in fact the opposite is the case.

So you waste my time, forcing me to go dig up links to show where you lost the prior technical arguments. You just don't know how to quit do you. All you Monerotards do is go around stomping on every body else in the forum.

Here is where you didn't understand properly side-chains, CounterParty, RootStock and consensus algorithms:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15283868
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15284907
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286387
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286631
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15286694


I dug up the mistakes you made about Monero's block size adjustment algorithm:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13844014
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13844373
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13848626
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13850005


Please don't make me repeat those discussions. You had your chance already when you made those discussions. No remakes.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
hmmmmmm

I don't suppose you same sold usual suspects recall ANOTHER previous topic
where you pulled the same damn fucking shit that went on for 100+ pages ?

I sure as fucking hell do.

You guys jacked the god damn forum and you would not STFU.

It was of course the same base concept and the exact same guys LOL

Do you remember that or what i am curious ? Should i go bump the other super topic etc ?

EDIT:
In other words many of you *as usual* do NOT possess the ability to control your behavior.
A clear sign of mental problems me thinks.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
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ArcticMine you always drag me into the long nonsense debates and then I win at the end. Please be more respectful of my time.

Incorrect. You claim to win in the end when in fact the opposite is the case.

Edit: As demonstrated in your response here where you did nothing to support your claim:

iCEBREAKER, nobody cares what you have to say.

You are irrelevant. You don't code.

Do I need to link you to ArticMine getting schooled by myself the prior day about side-chains, CounterParty, and RootStock. Why should I bother to waste my time on you.

You don't understand that if you hasten the readjustment that enables other modes of attack. No matter which direction you go, the bottom line is that Monero isn't secure against an attacker with 1000X the hashrate. Period. Stop lying.

Where for example did I say that Monero is secure against an attack with 1000x its hash rate? Or any POW coin for that matter?
sr. member
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iCEBREAKER, nobody cares what you have to say.

You are irrelevant. You don't code.

Do I need to link you to ArticMine getting schooled by myself the prior day about side-chains, CounterParty, and RootStock. Why should I bother to waste my time on you.

You don't understand that if you hasten the readjustment that enables other modes of attack. No matter which direction you go, the bottom line is that Monero isn't secure against an attacker with 1000X the hashrate. Period. Stop lying.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
sr. member
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I am not wasting any more time on you. What you see is what you get.

Thank you.
legendary
Activity: 2282
Merit: 1050
Monero Core Team
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This is gibberish. It reads like you are drunk.

Yes a 51% attacker is mining valid blocks so when he stops mining, the difficulty is not very high, so that is not the same as attacking the network with 1000X the hashrate and driving the difficulty skyhigh. In your prior message, it seemed you proposed to fork the protocol to change the difficulty using only a 51% attack. I explained that honest miners would ignore the fork. Now you seem to imply the attacker can do a 51% attack, but mine with 1000X the hashrate so they don't need to change the protocol. Well then that isn't a 51% attack, it is the 1000X attack. So you've made no point at all. But it is difficult to understand what you mean, because the above just doesn't make any sense.

So what the hell are you trying to say here?

Please stop wasting my time. Write coherently and correctly at one post. Put your entire point in one post and expend the effort to make your post coherent. This back and forth is very wasteful.

I am not wasting any more time on you. What you see is what you get.
sr. member
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There is a huge difference between forking the protocol with 51% hashrate and adhering to the protocol with 100X hashrate (both being ways to set a stratospheric difficulty level).

In the former case, honest miners will ignore the fork. In the latter case, they can't do anything.

ArticMine you are a physicist and I am a programmer for 37 years. I will be more skilled at my field and you will be more expert at yours.

The attacker in the 51% case is mining otherwise perfectly valid blocks but at a higher attack difficulty rather than the correct optimal difficulty in the blocks. There is no actual change in the protocol. The trade-off is that the 51% attack blocks could be easily detected by the network in exchange for a much lower cost of attack. In either case once the attack ends the difficulty starts to fall since time ticks by with no blocks being mined. There is a key difference between Bitcoin or a Bitcoin clone and Monero in that in Bitcoin the difficulty adjustment is discrete approximately every 2 weeks while in Monero it is continuous, This means that by timing the end of the attack correctly the attacker could keep the difficulty constant in Bitcoin for 2 weeks, while in Monero the difficulty starts to fall approximately 2 min after the end of the attack.

This is gibberish. It reads like you are drunk.

Yes a 51% attacker is mining valid blocks so when he stops mining, the difficulty is not very high, so that is not the same as attacking the network with 1000X the hashrate and driving the difficulty skyhigh. In your prior message, it seemed you proposed to fork the protocol to change the difficulty using only a 51% attack. I explained that honest miners would ignore the fork. Now you seem to imply the attacker can do a 51% attack, but mine with 1000X the hashrate so they don't need to change the protocol. Well then that isn't a 51% attack, it is the 1000X attack. So you've made no point at all. But it is difficult to understand what you mean, because the above just doesn't make any sense.

So what the hell are you trying to say here?

Please stop wasting my time. Write coherently and correctly at one post. Put your entire point in one post and expend the effort to make your post coherent. This back and forth is very wasteful.


On the continuous sliding adjustment window, this doesn't impact anything w.r.t. to this issue. It is just equivalent to a smoothing filter.

W.r.t. to detecting attack blocks, this is nonsense. All blocks looks the same. There is no way to identify which blocks are coming from the attacker unless all the honest nodes are colluding. But that defeats the entire point of decentralization and trustless. The attacker could Sybil attack your trust for example.

ArcticMine you always drag me into the long nonsense debates and then I win at the end. Please be more respectful of my time.
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