Topic: [WARNING] Sol Noctis Bull Coin Keys Compromised / Scam - page 3. (Read 4398 times)

No. What I'm saying is, is it possible that his coin could have been a really good fake, with the added hologram of course.

I’m confused at what you’re saying..you have coins where the funds where also swept? No they could not be fakes like those as fakes don’t actually have a hologram/ keys.

Swept funds and the subsequent returned funded amounts have now both been moved. Within days of each other.

Original address: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Lh975rtt1RwDJ1SHGX8mn1iHwe7kaVfMQ

Swept funds: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16HvqDCxg3QxYHuugHGJ7jwqCScxfnVTgS



LC, Can Sol Notis confirm this was in fact their funding Address?: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/15CaqvrWhxaAgYRM2y2wRwTTtrbf5rqY84

Is it possible they could be fakes, similar to the these...

I don't keep track of the public keys of the coins after I sell them nor who I sent what.

I cannot imagine a scenario where snarfbag is trying to pull a ruse here.   I believe their description of the events on their side.

I have not heard of any other cases of funds moving from these coins.  SatoshiLite's suggestion of the private key being mistakenly placed under the hologram of a different coin would make a lot of sense if it wasn't for the funds being returned.

If someone on the maker's side had retained all the private keys I don't understand why they would just redeem one coin and not do them all.  Why risk getting exposed to sweep one coin with a few extra bucks on it?

Very confusing scenario and difficult to figure out what possibly happened.

I still have around 15 of these, checked recently and all still funded with original funding. 

I ordered 1 Bull coin from powercoin_italy (www.powercoin.it) on eBay and 2 from Lesbian Cow. The eBay coin shipped out of the Netherlands. I did not keep track of which coin is which when they arrived and I kept all 3 together. I gifted one to my dad for Christmas and I loaded the extra BTC. Later on, I was talking to him about how he could put more on it when I checked the address and saw it was swept. I keep all my coin addresses in a spreadsheet with this Bull coin included.

I'd like to know how I'm lying considering the hologram is intact. Are you saying I am the first person in the world to somehow successfully forge a physical crypto hologram, and that it is so good that the original coin maker can't tell the difference? Or are you saying I got my hand on blanks and holograms during the manufacturing process even though I live in the US and have zero ties to European coin makers? I'll kindly ask you take off your conspiracy hat and think rationally about who made these private keys, and how easy would it be to keep them all in a digital wallet "just in case".

LC, is the chain of custody for this coin confirmed to be  Maker -> LC -> Snarf -> Dad?

Or is the coin in question from the ebay seller? The thread doesn't really confirm it came from you. Also, I could not find ebay seller that OP posted, powercoin_it.  However, powercoin_italy does exist and sells many coins...




SatoshiLite brought up an interesting point with the possibility of mismatched/swapped keys & holos by accident by the manufacturer. However, if that were in fact the case, then why send back the original load amount? If you peel a coin and find extra sats that aren't supposed to be there do you send anything back to that address? Me thinking no. ESPECIALLY if the address you just swept DOES NOT MATCH what is printed on your coin!! This is a severe red flag and cannot be understated.

The theory could obviously be tested by peeling the coin that LC sent back to maker and sweeping that key to see what comes of it. Still doesn't explain why the original load amount was sent back tho.

If the chain of custody is confirmed, then there are only two possibilities imo. 1. Op is lying for some odd/no reason/sabotage. For the record I do not think this is the case. But I am curious to hear how Snarf came to learn the coin was swept a few weeks earlier?

2. Manufacturing process is flawed.In which case, they are all compromised. Otherwise it would be quite the coincidence that the one coin that was compromised was also the one coin that had additional btc loaded onto it. Unlikley. I also find it rather convenient that compromised keys came equipped with a private key puzzle that needed solving, making it harder to redeem by normies like myself. (awesome work cwil). Is it possible to find out why the keys were generated as such?

Btw, the swept funds have still not moved... https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/16HvqDCxg3QxYHuugHGJ7jwqCScxfnVTgS

The most recent email I received from TWC on this matter was 08 December 2020.  I had emailed "Were you ever able to determine how the funds from this coin were swept?"

They replied:

"My colleagues checked each address we received from clients and dealers, and all of them are OK. So we are still looking for the answer from the supplier how it happened. I'll keep you updated."

Bump,
Did we get any update on this coin ?

What a rollercoaster of events. I sit with anticipation from news from LC.

Did we get any update on this coin?

Quick update, suspect coin arrived at TWC in Poland yesterday, 14 July.  Will update again after TWC has inspected the hologram.

Cheers all!

I'll address a a couple points because I feel this is patronizing. My father is elderly and was the recipient of the compromised coin. This was a quick way to load up a little extra in a way that he could not easily lose, or have to deal with technology like a Trezor.


So what? It was a gift meant for him to eventually peel. Not everyone is a collector in the sense of trading back and forth and trying to keep the coin pure. I get that it is important to you, but not to him or me.


What if all the Bull coins were swept later if the price were to rise to $100k or more? By your rationale no one should be holding any coins of any significant value. By loading the extra Bitcoin and proving someone still holds the keys I'd call that a favor that may save some headaches years down the road. Loading the extra did not make me lose it since it may have been stolen later anyway. The way you're wording this sentence makes it sound like I had this coming--like the coin being swept is somehow my fault. That worry should not exist with legitimate coin makers.

Not really.  As mentioned in my previous post, I shipped the questionable coin to TWC for them to inspect.  I sent 2 packages to Europe that day, they both left NY customs on 25 May.  The other package scanned for the first time in Europe late last week, this one has not yet scanned.  Back in May US parcels to Europe were getting loaded on ships and sitting around on both ends.  I am hoping it shows up in Poland shortly.  I am so sick of the Vids.

I will update when I have an update.

Cheers all!

Almost two months later, do we have more information regarding the Sol Noctis ?
I understand that the loaded amounbt is just about $10, but still it would be great to know what happened.
@Lesbian Cow any news ?

On another note, why would anyone want to add extra BTC to a loaded coin? That is a big no no.

First off, your loaded amount will not reflect the value of the face of the coin.

Last but not least you are taking chances your coins will be lost like this gentleman did with Sol Noctis.

I had a fellow collector tell me he loaded an infinitum coin with 1BTC!  He swept the coin off right away once I made him aware of the risk.

If you want to hodl onto your precious coins, use a hardware wallet such as trezor or create your own paper wallet.

Never ever attempt to store or buy any btc on a loaded coin that you are not willing to risk on losing.

You want to send friend or family btc, buy them a Trezor, set it up for them and once they have it, send them the btc.

If it’s a minute amount,say $10 worth of btc, send it to their hot wallet such as Mycellium.

Not your keys not your coin is a saying so true.

The new saying we should use is, not your self made keys, someday possibly not your coins anymore!

Definitely compromised, they need to be on that list.

    Yes…Sol Noctis is one of the most beautiful coins one can get for their collection and I was amongst the many that were excited when I was able to buy some directly from the manufacturer.

     And yes the amount loaded on these coins is only 0.001 BTC which by far is not much.

    Yet, we as physical coin collectors place a great deal of trust on the maker of physical coins and the process on which the paper wallets are made and how they are handled. We can never be 100% sure if any coin maker has ever held onto the private keys or not and only the passage of time will tell us if this is so or not. There is always the risk that coins can be swept. The only way with 0% risk is if you make your own.

    In the case of Sol Noctis, this one coin incident that we know of so far, has ruined their reputation as far as I am concerned. I really do not care if the maker made a mistake or not, my trust in them as a physical bitcoin coin maker is over as far as I am concerned. No matter what the maker says or does afterwards it is over…period.

   Will I hodl onto my Sol Noctis coins? Yes and I will not sweep any btc on them or check as I will treat them the way I treat my one loaded microsoul coin, not loaded.

 

Thank you for sharing LC and trying to clarify all this, I have thought about this collection, but if those responsible do not clarify what happened ...
for me it is not safe 

I do not believe this is accurate unless proof is provided.  Different mints, different holograms and different private keys. 

I do not believe the mints had anything to do with funding.  I was told both eagles and bulls keys were made by same person/company.