WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

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I think just be prudent and not put too much into it. Wait for the collapse, meanwhile keeping your money safe. People have been calling this a bubble for the past few months.

Quote from: alyssa85 on December 16, 2019, 07:29:06 AM

Other central banks are doing the same - everyone is trying to weaken their currency against teh dollar, so a lot of printed money is being sold for dollars and then parked in American stocks.

This is why people are starting to lose trust in fiat. Governments can just manipulate their currencies, in ways that can be complicated for many people to understand yet those same people pay the price when it all collapse.

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Cryptocurrency is an open market for speculation. Prices are very moving. There are big gains and losses for people. Well the real markets. Take a look at the S&P events. Speculation is now everywhere. Fast transactions are now taking place in all markets. Cell phone and internet changed everything.

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This is one of the main reasons why people have stopped trusting centralized institutions in general. Those in the dark could be oblivious to this manipulation and continue putting their money on the S&P 500 markets looking at the rises, only to later realize that there was blatant market manipulation. Some people even go to the extent of defending their investments against these allegations which is straight up stupidity on their part.

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Quote from: nancy on December 16, 2019, 07:52:28 AM

You are not providing any proofs or details. Is this thread usuful? I don't think so

To be honest, every market is manipulated at some point but I believed the OP is just trying to cause FUD because his claim is not back with any evidence and the last time i checked the S&P 500 actually experienced up more than 20% as of September 19th.

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Central banks? Or do you mean investment banks or financial institutions that normally invest in the market? If that so I think you know the answer is that it's normal since technically investment banks are the whales of the stock market and forex and they would use their money to influence the prices. Central banks on the other hand from what I know can still do the same, they are still allowed to invest directly or through these investment banks but either way if they are only using their money to do it then it's not their fault that the prices are influenced by them.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on December 16, 2019, 08:42:08 AM

But first, do you have any evidence?

I guess that's difficult to have an evidence for this. I thought of asking for that myself, but then I gave more thinking.
However, I am not sure where the panic is. I think that a huge majority here doesn't care about stocks. And the ones who care should know how to handle this info.
And Bitcoin price is decoupled from stock market... right?

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Quote from: Actor_Tom_Truong_ on December 12, 2019, 11:35:13 PM

WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

Be careful when trading the S&P 500 at this moment.

We acknowledge your warnings, it is good for everyone. But first, do you have any evidence? Any news or reason that makes you think about it. Something relevant enough for us to trust you. If not, you know, it's nothing more than a pointless topic.

Quote from: samcrypto on December 16, 2019, 08:02:56 AM

Its hard to tell any market that is not being manipulated by whales, by institutions and the government. Everything controls by someone who are powerful enough to do that, as long as your money is safe and you don’t lose It because of their unsecured system then you should be fine. Be careful always in trading, its active more than your thoughts.

Agree, our money is always there, but economics must be accompanied by profits, we cannot leave our money alone, we must learn to make a profit from their plots. It's really difficult, that why we must learn, sometime, we have to accept losing money.

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The Federal Reserve has been pumping billions into the financial system for years to help the prices of stocks and other assets to go forward. We

saw how the markets was helped earlier this year, when the central Banks made some quick efforts to shift things around to provide liquidity on the

Stock markets. The Stock markets are over inflated and it will be a bigger Bubble than the previous times when the tax payers money were used to

bail them out. (Big Banks) Angry

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Its hard to tell any market that is not being manipulated by whales, by institutions and the government. Everything controls by someone who are powerful enough to do that, as long as your money is safe and you don’t lose It because of their unsecured system then you should be fine. Be careful always in trading, its active more than your thoughts.

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You are not providing any proofs or details. Is this thread usuful? I dont think so

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Quote from: mk4 on December 12, 2019, 11:54:16 PM

I'm really not going to be surprised if this is true, but you might want to at least give us some proof(or at least some reasoning on why you think so) if you're going to make such claims.

It's well known that the Swiss National Bank (Switzerland's central bank) buys stocks - we know this because the SEC in the US forces them to declare all US stocks they own. See

https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/76039/swiss-national-bank-almost-owns-100-billion-worth-of-u-s-stocks

What happened is that their currency was rising against both the dollar and the euro in the years 2011 - 2016. So they printed swiss francs and sold the franc and bought the dollar and euro (that action weakens the franc against the dollar and euro). Then they had to decide what to do with the dollars they now had, and so they simply bought stocks in proportion, like an index fund does. They did the same for the euros they held, they bought European stocks (we don't know how much because the european authorities don't force them to publish holdings like the American ones).

Other central banks are doing the same - everyone is trying to weaken their currency against teh dollar, so a lot of printed money is being sold for dollars and then parked in American stocks.

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Any proof of this news?
Well stock markets are manipulated by big entities like big tycoons, brokers, banks etc and this is known fact for decade. Crypto market differs in a sense that its not controlled by few big entities that can easily manipulate it.

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Quote from: rijaljun on December 14, 2019, 04:45:10 PM

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Its given and its really happening but this statement can be more realistic if you can provide at least some explanation on the reason why you are posting this one.

If it is really happening and instead of asking OP to provide the explanation or any source, why wouldn't you just bring it he so we can confirm this issue faster.

Yourself even also asked the OP to provide the source link in your replies before this one.

Quote from: rijaljun on December 14, 2019, 03:33:01 PM

Any reliable source about this issue? If you have one then I would like to read it.

Every individual or institution that controls a large amount of money has the ability to manipulate so that is something that always happens in almost all markets.

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It has been a hot topic for quite some time now. People believe that the US stock market will continue to inflate due to all the debt and 'manipulation', yet they don't have the balls to actually long any US stock index. People with confidence in what they preach generally tend to put their money where their mouth is, but not in this case apparently. Roll Eyes

The thing with bubbles is that they can continue to inflate for many more years, mainly so with how people love to buy assets that go up. Shorters have rekt themselves hard throughout the last couple of years. It's so tempting to short the dips with how inflated the market is, but every single dip thus far turned out to be a great entry point, not an exit point. Time will tell how long that will be the case.

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Quote from: Actor_Tom_Truong_ on December 12, 2019, 11:35:13 PM

WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

Be careful when trading the S&P 500 at this moment.

It is not just S&P 500. It is every asset. When is to much money then value of asset increase.

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Quote from: Actor_Tom_Truong_ on December 12, 2019, 11:35:13 PM

WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

Be careful when trading the S&P 500 at this moment.

They have always been playing deep inside and at the background. The central banks are dirty players. They cannot just act as ordinary onlookers of the S&P 500 rise and fall. These are the 500 largest companies listed in the US stock exchange. This is very juicy for the people inside the central banks to resist.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Its given and its really happening but this statement can be more realistic if you can provide at least some explanation on the reason why you are posting this one.

If it is really happening and instead of asking OP to provide the explanation or any source, why wouldn't you just bring it he so we can confirm this issue faster.

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Quote from: Actor_Tom_Truong_ on December 12, 2019, 11:35:13 PM

WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

Be careful when trading the S&P 500 at this moment.

Any reliable source about this issue? If you have one then I would like to read it.

I found people discussing about central banks manipulating asset prices somewhere out there but can't find report specifically for S&P 500.

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Any kinds of sourcess? Links? Proofs? Reports? Announcements? ANYTHING??? I just checked out the S&P 500 just now, for the past 4 days market and didn't see much about the possibility of a manipulation.If such thing did ever happen though, it's a big issue since the central bank themselves are the ones manipulating the market. Plus, how did they do the manipulation? Since OP just posted a sentence, a lot of questions pop up really.

Quote from: beerlover on December 14, 2019, 10:14:40 AM

I feel like the last couple of days have been on the increase and that might be "manipulation" by some people but looking at how it was there before and american economy has been doing decent recently I feel like going back up to where it was is reasonable.

If that could be called a manipulation, then pretty much the rise and fall of BTC every single day could be called as one as well. The pop off of BTC from the 3 digits to 4 could be called as one. Every increase has a reason, and if it actually stabilized, then its just the economy of that market improved.

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Quote from: Actor_Tom_Truong_ on December 12, 2019, 11:35:13 PM

WARNING: The central banks are currently manipulating the S&P 500 right now.

Be careful when trading the S&P 500 at this moment.

I need confirmation on this issue that concerns about manipulation. S&P trading should be avoided if this will be fact checked, because if we rely on hoax this will not be fair to others whose a strong holder. Central bank is with fiat regulation, I don't think they'll able to make it with crypto.

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