Topic: [Warning] USA Govt. (Read 2662 times)

This is somewhat unfair.  An anonymous payment service only has to be anonymous concerning the payment, not concerning the counter service of course, with which it has nothing to do.  Of course, if I want to buy a physical good, I have to provide for some delivery information to the person I'm buying the good from, that's unavoidable.  But that has nothing to do with the payment.

But consider, for instance, that I want to be an anonymous funder of, say, the Islamitic State.  I only want to do an anonymous transaction of value so that nobody can find out that I was the one who has donated value.  Then there's a serious chance that something like Monero can help, while it would be utmost dangerous to do so with Bitcoin.

I would first buy bitcoin on an exchange.  This would be traceable.  Then I would transfer those bitcoins to an exchange that has monero on the list.  That would be traceable too.  Then I would convert my bitcoins to monero.  The exchange would know that.  I would then withdraw my monero.  That's also traceable.  There's no need to try to hide that, it won't work.

But then I would do several Monero-monero transactions between addresses of my own.  If I had a monero node running for a long time, I could do that directly on my monero node for some transactions, and I could use Tor for other transactions.

At this point, I can assume that the trace of the value to me is essentially whiped out.

Next, the most critical step would be to go to a public place, connect to a public net, and, through Tor, using something like TAILS, give the final order to transfer my donation to a monero account of the Islamic State in my example.

I think that that value transfer is essentially unlinkable to me.  In as far as it is, I would say that Monero succeeded in providing true anonymous transfer of value.

Just to make clear: I only use "Islamic state" as an extreme example of where you can think that the powers that be put all efforts to trace funding.  I'm not a funder of those criminals at all.

Of course they will hand over your info to the authorities behind your back. The policy is the same for you, me and a serial killer.

I've said many times that I am not all against ICO's (well, crowdfunding to be precise), because not all people have the money to spread out their (good) ideas/tech. A number of projects died, because of lack of funding and a few more are struggling for the same reason. I'm not sure if you ever played that "game", but if you did, then you should know that almost everybody are screaming: "MONEEEEY". 

Thanks !

I hope to get people thinking.. it's sort of what this (forum section) about right ?

Mostly what we see is a herd blind folded pushing forward with profits.. ICO's these days mostly.
It's food for thought.. stuff no one ever talks about and hides from or mocks you for daring to to bring it up.

Like come on guys.. the exchanges hand over your info BEHIND YOUR BACK..
And i tell you they are doing it because they admit it and the response i get it ?
..one guy wants to beat me up or shoot me or some shit and trying to scare me with DOX threats.

Wanna play the game fine but i am all for honesty in the scene.
Know the risks and get all the info you can and then make your decision on what to do next.
Seems fair & reasonable to me.
And this all seems like a far more interesting conversation than Big Banks using Ethereum.. LOL

This is a very good original post and damn it has some truth in it.  The US gov is not to be ignored.  They r here and much deeper than most would believe.   Spoetnikz input on this forum is of huge importance.  Thank u once again!

~CfA~

No, my exact words were:


I made my last post after I readed everything in the thread.


No, it's not like they are giving your personal info to Richard Kuklinski. There are laws about that. In my previous post I implied that there is no way to refuse to cooperate with the authorities, because it would be stupid. People (arguably) have their freedom, privacy or whatever when they are on a vacation (for example) to some remote location. When it comes to a certain laws (no matter how twisted and abusive they may are), exchanges (or whatever - you are right with your Conbase/Gmail/etc examples) must comply, or they will face unnecessary troubles.  

Posts in this direction (anonymity/privacy/security), which takes you hours of reading/writing are pointless, unless you are writing a book or something similar. They bring nothing positive to you. Humanity is controlled by a handful of people and you can't do anything about it. The best thing you can do is to "change the world" which surrounds you (friends, neighbours, planting trees, protect the environment etc.).

Just so you know... if you and I were on the same side but were prisoners of war, I'd put a bullet in your head before even planning my escape.

Spartak you said you never bothered to even read my first post.
Then you just asked what do you hope to accomplish then mentioned Anonymity.

The issue is SECURITY
Which is compromised by request of the US govt at will.. when ever they want.

What do i hope to accomplish ? Read the first post.
.. Coinbase handed over a guys info that got him arrested in a foreign country.

Same bloody thing i told you all Cryptsy was doing.
And i can assure you all that any other type of Crypto related thing is working the same.
Whether you are connected to Azure or Github or Outlook.com or Gmail or what ever.
ALL OF IT is connected to the USA and they are simply an arrest warrant away from taking what they want
or.. simply hacking / stealing it (see Snowden's past comments online)

And people really feel mighty safe & secure doing all this crypto stuff
but occasionally there is arrests & drama or fines etc.
You all simply assume all of this stuff is legal and your are not being tracked & watched by US Fed's
When we have proof that says otherwise..
As i said starting 3 years ago and was laughed at.

So what is the point here.. partly to say I TOLD YOU SO !
Some of you deserve it for mocking me and laughing in my face.
NOW.. i can quote that TorrentFreak story and then shout in your faces I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!    

I said for years around the scene that the Fed's are here among us.
..there could be a sweep of arrests for many of these Pyramid schemes.

Don't forget about the Ransomware connections to Crypto too guys.
We are filled up to our eyes in criminals in this crypto scene !

I know from my many years being a self-proclaimed Piracy Activist
That i heard many stories about the FBI and other US govt agencies running investigations.
..point being is for how long they would run them.
From my perspective watching all these years the longer they run them the more effective they are.
The longer you run a honey pot and lure in victims the more cocky and secure they feel.
And i watched the Fed's do investigations in P2P that would run up to 3 or 4 or even 5 years.
Think about it.. imagine you stole a chocolate bar from a store.
And the cops deliberately waited for you to steal more for 5 years.. to build a large case on you.
That is what they are notorious for and what i think they have been doing in Crypto all this time.

My point here ?
Everyone feels mighty cocky & bullet proof and they have ANON coins etc etc
Maybe when a Cryptsy staffer says we handed over your info or Coinbase admits it
..maybe it's time to think hmm maybe we are not as secure as we THINK we are ?

Think of this..
Monero is on Poloniex right ?
Poloniex collects your Identification right ?
They HAVE to !
Why ? Laws..
If you moved over 30k worth of Monero on Poloniex i would be surprised if Fed's did not know about it already.
They do not collect your private info for no reason people.

Be aware of the risks and the BOLD CLAIMS made by Anon coins salesmen.
Don't assume because you are getting away with profiting from ponzi coins now it will last forever either.
There could be any time a huge crack down with wide sweeping arrests in the Altcoin scene
for all these scammy ass ICO's and misc Pyramid scheme tokens.
Don't think this stuff is legal people.. There is no laws saying you are allowed to do this type of stuff.

I am saying broaden your vision..

Spoetnik,

What are you trying to accomplish with this thread? It should be obvious that there is no such thing as anonymity. Handing over personal information from exchanges and such to the authorities, should be also a well known fact. And you know what? I see nothing wrong with that! People must be responsible for their actions and exchanges/forums/etc., are not the ones who should protect their privacy. If John (for example) decides to run a child porn website and receive payments in some "anonymous" cryptocurrency (or whatever), then he must face the consequences. I am quite sure that some services and the authorities as a whole are sometimes abusing with personal information, but this is not the case here. Your privacy should be kept between you and the average Joe (no need for conspiracy theories here).

I have 2 favourite sayings about stupid people and will try to translate them:
One of them says (you can use it in situation were a person shows stupidity in some form): "Your IQ is equal to a room temperature."
The other one says: "You are so stupid that if you put a seashell (rapaninae) closer to your ear, the seashell will hear the ocean." (means you have no brain (and you all know that you "hear the ocean", when you put a seashell near your ear)).

I don't want to insult anybody, but if you truly believe in the 100% anonymity/privacy, then you can use these 2 sayings for yourself. I am quite sure that there are people here in the forum, which know how to protect their anonymity/privacy, but remember - you can always find someone smarter than you. It is like a pyramid of minds, but you nobody knows where is the top. Just look back at the history and see how many hackers were caught. For me there are two reasons not being caught (if you/somebody do something):
1. Some "people" are not interested in you.
2. These "people" are the ones doing it.

Plain and simple.  

@kiklo
You get where i am coming from
I wanted to add to your solid reply that they nabbed that guy with all of that plus one more tidbit..
They acquired server access in Canada on the guy and got his password from a linux machine
which they admitted help identify him (probably blatantly and with cross-referencing)
The cops info on that password bit was a little vague yet telling..

And of course i share my view for ANY "anon" coin but you notice the only coin shills that were quick to comment here was a brigade of Monero guys.. even the guy lipping me off just now.. his main remark towards me was he was tired of me bashing Monero.
So..
The only thing this topic did is get Kiklo talking and a bunch of Monero fanboys LOL

But i linked to a topic on post 1 where i said i do not support ANY anon coins.
Problem is the loudest most full of shit Shills of all.. ARE the Monero guys.
Hell they had Hoodies printed up then did photo shoots with them saying "Secure + Untraceable"
A mighty bold claim  

They have Monero on Coinbase ?
Isn't Poloniex US based ?
Github ?
This very forum ?

And don't get me wrong people..
When i say this forum or some place like Github or Azure or Cryptsy will hand over your info..
I mean they HAVE to do it and we can not reasonably expect them to deny these Police requests.
I do not view ANY of these places in a bad light for doing these things.
Aside from maybe making a poor decision to setup shop in American jurisdiction.

I also warned users about VPN's on TorrentFreak because of this crap for close to a decade.
And once again i got the same mouthy defiant replies back ..jokes about paranoia & conspiracy etc
But, I was right !
Last several years there has been a growing number of VPN's that were compromised by the Police etc.
and they SAID THEY ARE BULLET PROOF !
They said they can't be touched and are 100% secure !

They were wrong and i was right as always and i say I TOLD YOU SO ..again.

Yeah my comments are still on TorrentFreak showing it, going back 10 fucking years
..warning cocky idiot blow hard's  

My my aren't we smart..

Hey sweet-heart i doxed myself .... years ago... many times.

As the announcer says on Price is Right.. cooooooome on dooooown  

PS:
My "ego" is backed up by decades of REAL life experience that is tangible and provable.
Jealous ?
Mad bro ?
Feel free to tell me YOUR resume.. *if* you even have one kid.

I also don't give two fucks what you find annoying Noob.
Who are you and what have you done in crypto mouthy punk ?
You are nobody and have done nothing and your opinion does not mean fuck all.
But hey.. jiggle your tiny little Dick-Holster at me trying to sound all big & shit.. i just laugh  

PS:
My resume IS the topic !
My cracking experience matters.
And knowing people for over a decade who were arrested by the FBI gives me more insight then most of you will ever have.

LOL,  
I can see why you are not worried, you did not even bother to read the details
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/877591/download  .

They Cross Referenced IP address information from Apple, Facebook, & Godaddy.
Also Cross Referenced his email information which help lead to his capture.
It makes no difference what OS his local PC was running , IP info would have been recorded no matter the OS.  
Email Info, he gave to an undercovered agent which was then cross referenced.

The Gov went after the guy because of the Movies Torrents not because of MS Office downloads.


 

FYI:
I guess ignoring the Blazing Facts, helps to make your monero anon religion more believable.
Like ignoring the following tidbit. It always makes me laugh.  
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/are-any-altcoins-currenty-useful-no-says-monero-developer-riccardo-spagni-1458743546

FYI2:
Last time, I posted that quote the whole Topic was deleted, let see if the censorship rears its head in BTCtalk again.

So what did Edward Snowden do knowing his life would be at risk? Trust Apple and Microsoft products or head straight for the GNU?
He spent months teaching Glen Greenwald how to use GNU Privacy Guard.  Why did he not instead teach Glen Greenwald how to use for example:
1) An Apple iPad?
2) A Microsoft Windows Computer?
The choice of a man who has both the technical knowledge and the insider knowledge, and whose life is at risk depending on the choice of software speaks volumes to me.  

I am not worried.

Edit: The whole idea of torrenting pirated proprietary software, and then facing the legal consequences of such action becomes completely  irrelevant when one can obtain vastly superior Free Libre Open Source Software at no charge that is perfectly legal to use and distribute. 
 

LMAO Spoetnik, keep on keeping on you cuntrag  . One day (Im guessing within the next 2 years) they will dox the fuck outta you and guess what, the bounty will be in Monero. I cannot predict prices of Bitcoin, shitcoins and scamcoins but that is pretty much a guaranteed thingy. Just like I was right about scumbags like Reptilia, that French fag Latapie and other pricks trying to be a face of Monero hurting its image.

Out of all the faggotry in the alt scene, your constant Monero horseshit is annoying. Go save the noobs from Ethereum and other frauds happening on a daily basis. I was thinking I will be out of Monero forever, but seeing trolls infatuated with it & the minds accumulating it, discussing it without making a big fuss etc, I am starting to have second thoughts. I just wish it was led by anon devs like Shen Noether and the real cryptographers behind CryptoNote. I think the current crop's ego is still ruining the show and we can just hope they will learn not to be cunts to everyone.

@ArticMine, You don't ?
You are a fool then and a confirmed Monero ANON COIN shill.

@Kiklo, thanks for your input and i was happy to see you used the words "cross referenced"
EXACTLY !

I have been telling these cocky Monero idiots this for ages (look on the ANON topic i linked to)
They REFUSE to "get it" ..they simply argue on like you're trying to force a horse to drink water.

Cross referencing has emerged to be the single biggest threat in the entire history of computers
And little expert ArticMine says it's nothing he worries about.. no big deal he says ROFL

The key point to this topic here is a cross referencing end-point.. regardless of the system !
And these delusional wacko's like Monero Fanatics seem to think they can place some form of security
in between the starting point and the end point.. and BAM! we have bullet proof security.
..as it says on their Hoodies / Merch (secure & untraceable) 

Any crackers out there know damn well if it runs it can be cracked.
Our entire cracking scene is about finding a way to breach security.. it's what we do !
It's ancient info that when we can't break an encryption algo we simply find another avenue of attack.
Which are limitless..

That boils down to often a cracker coding a keygen vs "patching" a program.
And i schooled a software dev of a well known popular Firewall program about this before.
He got lippy with me so i taught him a lesson and i gave him a spanking he will never forget.
I coded a variety of Keygen's and i told him i could patch his program with 1 fucking byte changed.
He got mouthy called me a liar so i uploaded source code to 3 different Keygen's i coded
then i created a quick image tutorial showing what to patch and the patched binary of course.
PWNED !

That was my cracker package with 5 ways to exploit his Firewall Activation system.
Sure he had a big mouth and was plenty cocky and was very eager to get lippy with me.
He said my patch i had shared with a few members in the past never did work..
I said he was lying and i had to upload source to prove him wrong (he was calling me a liar)
I did.. he was full of shit.. and yeah my Keygen's and patch's STILL work on his joke security. (SHA256 + Custom / Caeser Cipher)
I have had the program installed pirated for 3 straight years even after using every single update that rolls out. 

There is plenty of program i have & still do crack privately.. if i need it cracked i crack it !
Not all cracks are posted publicly people LOL
Don't let the false sense of security fool you because you don't see one on Google. hahhahah

I am more qualified than these Monero idiots..
They think they are experts because they showed up in Crypto THEN decided they will learn c / c++
Even though i started learning it more than a decade ago (as well as other languages)
I have a decade+ of cracking / reverse engineering experience but apparently these morons know more than me because they bought some Monero coins.. and got a "white paper".

ArticMine has a lot of nerve saying that.. that shows his level of ignorance on the subject.

He is not concerned with the abilities of the US govt ?
They are sooo bloody powerful i can barely wrap my head around it.
Their reach is unimaginable !
Most countries have agreements with the USA so that they will comply with various legal requests for example.
hell most people don't know the USA on a regular basis hunts & raids terrorists on Foreign soil with the other countries permission..
And that is all they need *usually*
Even though they went into Pakistan illegally with no permission to assassinate Bin Laden.
That shows that even with out permission they will go ahead anyway even on a 50/50 guess (Obama said on video)

Kim Dotcom learned this lesson this topic delivers the hard way.
He did not think the USA would get permission to raid him in his mansion in New Zealand.
And many people forget the USA law requests are complied with all over..
No matter what or where pretty much.

Cryptsy was "likely" told they HAVE to report users.. they were not doing it voluntarily !
They were /are subject to the Florida laws.
Which is the exact same laws that got the FBI arresting guys doing a Bitcoin deal via LocalBitcoins in a Florida parking lot in 2013.
I recall the amount was about 30 grand.. and the limit was 10 grand i think.
Anything over that 10k needs identification etc or it will be investigated etc.
So yeah you move over 10k on Coinbase i would bet my left nut they report you !
They have to.. it's anti-money laundering laws.

There is many ways to skin a cat ..remember how they eventually caught Al Capone ?
Well most countries these days require you report your Crypto-Currency earnings.
Revenue Canada for example was one of the first countries to publicly state this.
If you are suspected of not claiming your earnings that could be used as a trigger for an investigation.
And the Law system(s) are good buddy's between USA & Canada !
For example..
I seen a News Story where the Canadian govt admitted they have setup and work with the USA
to have a spying end point in Toronto, Ontario, Canada with certain transit locations.
The USA with Canada's permission has setup a cell phone spying system so they can track people.
CSIS & The govt here admitted they let the USA setup and use the surveillance in our country for their monitoring purposes.
..that is no fucking conspiracy people, that is News at 5.

That is.. more cross referencing points.
They go deep too from TOR nodes to ISP's to Internet relay servers etc
..the USA has their fingers in every pie everywhere.
And by extension every company or web site that runs some type of service connected to the USA.

I am sure Kim Dotcom cried conspiracy and laughed lots..
until he was LITERALLY in his Mansions panic room hiding from a swat team booting in his door !

Chuckle it up and get cocky but when you posses power YOU get the last laugh..

When the USA wanted Bin Laden they allocated in secret 52 Million dollars (cost of choppers reported)
..to have 2 custom made stealth choppers created for the raid (designed to evade Pakistani radar defenses)
They then hand selected the soldiers who would go on the mission (out of a pool of anyone they wanted)
They they mobilized the Navy etc to do what ever they asked..
They were extracted after the raid to a US aircraft carrier waiting for them.
Televised raid with the president watching..
and you all knew because they DECIDED to tell you all publicly AFTER the fact.

Snowden mentioned some stuff and various stories in the media have proven it.
It always ends up being a "cross referencing" matter.
And the more end points you can seize and control the more powerful you become.

@ArticMine, you should be worried 

Start with your Local Town & State ,
Push for laws to be enacted that remove and outlaw all government data retention policies.
Push for a law that allows ISPs to offer true anonymity and Banks outlawed from giving your personal data to anyone.
Then Push for Laws that weaken corporate power by not allowing them to sue individuals, and make the CEO and Board of director personally responsible for all corporation actions, denying them legal protection for actions they permitted under their leadership. In other words make the CEO and entire Board of directors legally accountable for all wrong doings of their corporation.
That is how you start.

If all of the above fails, at some point the Tree of Liberty will be fed again.  
Which if at all possible, it would be best to avoid, but may be the only choice.


 

FYI:
Even if you use Linux, you don't know what code is in the BIOS or Hard Drive Firmware or even what is stored in your Video hardware, or your Processor core.
The more complex the system, the more places to hide code. Code could be in a driver for a 3rd party game might infect your OS.
The only way to be 100% secure, is to remove all communications.
Disable the ethernet and disable all wifi chips on the board, then place what is left in a Faraday cage with no outside connections forever.
All of that just to get control of a computer that you purchased.  

FYI2:
Additional
All Privacy laws would revert to what they were before 1913, including the removal of the income tax.
Corporations would be banned from giving money to Politicians or suing people, as only individuals would have those rights.
No officers would be able to enter your property without a court order, and would have to inform you before entry.
These Swat style raids are an abomination to our Freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution.
It must be made Illegal for the Government to Seize your personal legally obtained property for any reason.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

There are so many things one can do to minimize the risk, I do not even know where to begin. The most basic is to say no to Microsoft and Apple, since the first step is to take back control over one's own computer. Close to 98% of all desktop and laptop users; however refuse to do this very basic first step and run GNU/Linux rather than Microsoft Windows or Max OS X.

Think about this. If one does not have control over one's own computer worrying over what some site on the Internet does is pointless.

This is not a thing no one know about, dude try to tell a story where we are not really aware of. of course they are doing all things mentioned in OP, but really what can we do about it?

Every single web site & email server you touch records your ip and browser settings and if you don't spoof your network address, they can even trace your PC's serial number down.
And these are just some of the public stuff we know of, the stuff that is still not public is even worse.

I leave you with this, because for some of you it seems to be more of a anon religion than anything to do with reason.

For everyone that believes you can actually do anything anonymous on the internet , where everything from the protocol to any communications will pinpoint your location.

Enjoy the sand. But it will become painfully clear when you are bitten in the ass.



Good Luck you are going to need it.

 

Which is defeated by the default settings in Thunderbird, the email client used in most GNU/Linux distributions. This is not the case with the default setting in proprietary email clients, such as those in Microsoft and Apple products since they want to cater first to marketers and large corporations who are typically very heavy users of html in email. The security of individuals in the case of Microsoft and Apple is secondary to marketing and DRM to the benefit of large corporations, if it is a consideration at all.

Your link explains well the convoluted process needed to disable this invasion of privacy in most proprietary email clients. I stand by my position the first line of defense for privacy is to say no to the likes of Microsoft and Apple. Monero builds upon a reasonable privacy framework, but it is not a substitute for taking basic measures to protect one's privacy.

FYI:
If you truly want to understand what you are up against,
Start up a truly anonymous ISP, that uses inhouse proxy servers and destroys all traceable information every few seconds.
They will shut you down so quickly , you won't know what hit you.
It will be the government at your door not a megacorp.
or they will place a backdoor in your system to report everything back to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention  

FYI2:
Details are here:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/877591/download

FYI3:
The agent may have know their IP address as soon as they received the email ,
if they used a 1x1 transparent graphic linked to a web site to record the IP of the computer that opened it.
http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/hidden-phishing-threats/