Topic: [Warning] USA Govt. - page 2. (Read 2664 times)

http://9to5mac.com/2016/07/21/kickasstorrents-apple-id/

Enough said.

Edit: This is my favorite part.

With the above, I totally agree.


This part makes me see why Spoetnik gets so frustrated.

For a truly anon solution which monero claims but can in no way truly achieve.
These reasons are why all anon fails.

Your IP address is not anon,
Your Browser info is not anon,
Your Email Address is not anon,
Your Bank Account which you linked is not anon,
Your address where you mailed or received goods is not anon,
there are no guarantees the person that did business with you did not sell your identifiable information.

All anon solutions will fail til they can solve all of the above.

 

It depends what your objectives are. Extradition is a pretty extreme example.

The bottom line is that financial privacy is a human right. If you cannot practice that human right through relocation then your only choice is to stand your ground and fight.

As long as decentralised exchanges like Bitsquare keep popping up, well conceived projects such as Monero will always survive and provide the foundations for those who are up for the fight to succeed.

Anything else is slavery.

Again ,
as long as you continue blinding yourself to the real enemy, you are doomed to failure.
Corporation can know all of your personal crap , but the Government gives their selves the right to SEIZE it.
If you can not see which is more dangerous of the two, then their is no helping you.

 

... but that information is of very little value to them. So they know I got some Monero big deal. What the greedy corporation really wants to know is where did I spend that Monero and on what.

Again, they can retrieve any info about you for a fee, or do you think exchanges won't sell your trading data , if they need fiat.  
Resellers sell our personal info daily.
i.e.
Grocery Stores use that reward card to track your purchases and sell that information.

 

FYI:
Even it you paid with monero at a grocery store, that reward card would still tell on you.
(Just as using monero on the internet will tell on you, so anon is a pipe dream.)

That is a good point, here is the problem, where do you go that you are safe from the US Gov. for example.
Unless you hide out in a rain forest and live like an animal, you are pretty screwed.
Other Options would be a country with no extradition treaty with the US, but odds are that country is also a corrupt government. i.e. (Mexico & China)
Truly interested if you have a good country without a corrupt government.

 

It is a lot easier to leave a country that to avoid any contact with Microsoft for example. This multinational controls close to 90% of all the personal computers in the world.

Edit: An anonymous blockchain can starve them of the data about you they crave. This can actually be even more valuable to them than fiat currency.

Clarification is needed, you think an anon blockchain will starve them of Fiat,
I sincerely doubt that.

 

Curious perspective.

At least you have the freedom to boycott multinationals. Boycotting governments is a whole different ballgame.

My advice to anyone living in a surveillance state is to either revolt or leave. If you tolerate dystopia then you only have yourselves to blame.

By not feeding them. Then they may not be able to afford the fee. 

In what way are you dealing with them, as the corrupt governments can give them everything about you for a fee.  


 

FYI:
You want to hurt a corporation, get everyone to quit buying their products or services.
The Problem is the public does not usually join in to this type of endeavor.
So you are left with Government enforcement as your only recourse.
Or starting a law to ban all Corporations, only Sole Proprietors or Partnerships allowed. 
 

I prefer to deal with the cause multinational corporations rather than the symptom governments.  

Edit: Once corporations get large enough that they are no longer subject to the discipline of the market place and have a monopoly or an effective monopoly they behave like very dangerous psychopaths.

Then you have lost the battle before you even started.
Because you don't know who your real enemy is.
Governments can imprison you & seize your assets or even take your life and call it legal.
Corporations or any very rich individual may sue you or paid to have you killed, but this only happens because the corrupt government takes pay offs for a blind eye and will not punish them with the same force as the poor.

 

FYI:
While I do agree Corporate entities have too much power,
Changing the laws to weaken them, where they have no rights to sue anyone , and their CEOs & Upper Management face the full consequences for a corporation actions, would get them in line with the Public welfare very quickly, if our Governments would enforce it.

I do not consider governments to be the real, or even a significant, threat here. My biggest concern is spying by corporations for marketing / advertising / etc. purposes or to enforce 19th century copyright business models (DRM). Government agencies, however, do piggyback in many cases of the existing corporate surveillance, so cutting the large multinational corporations off from the data they greedily crave does have the added benefit of reducing the much lower risk of government surveillance.

A open blockchain makes individuals very vulnerable to spying by corporations.

You're a little defensive, huh?
Sorry to burst your anon bubble.

They don't have to ban anything or change any laws, they can just guess you are associated with a crime and just send a warrant to anyone who has done bussiness with a monero user , requesting your IP, Your Name , and your address or your bank account # .
Which means if you ever had anything mailed to you or cashed out to a bank account, they have you. Don't forget if you were dumb enough to give an exchange a picture ID, that can also be cross referenced. Which by the way, if you can't buy or sell or cash out of monero , it is really of no use.

IMO, ZEIT is decentralized, but we don't make any pretense to the foolishness of anon.
Anyone can look at the block explorer to see anything on any address without a warrant, which in a truly free society is the way it should be.
You think anon will protect you from a corrupt world government, but you are using systems that report your information all of the time.

 

FYI:
Even Cash is tracked by it's Serial Numbers and those little chips inside each bill.
Go thru the airport and they can tell exactly how much money you are carrying without even needing to see it.
(And they had this ability in the 1980s.)

FYI2:
Personally, I hope that the laws could be changed to restore true freedom to the people of the world.
But odds are it will be like it has always been , and Thomas Jefferson said it best.

In short they would have to ban it. This would mean changing the law to make it illegal not the other way around as the above incorrectly implies. Even then there is the issue of ex post facto law.  I would start by reading the actual guidance(s) on crypto currency form FinCEN before making assumptions about the legality of certain crypto currencies in the United States. Here is a good place to start. https://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html

The first question I would ask is does your favorite crypto currency meet the definition of De-Centralized Virtual Currency under the FinCEN guidance above?

Edit 1: Russia has considered making crypto currency illegal. We will see if this actually happens and what impact that will have on US law.
Edit 2: As a baby boomer I am old enough to remember both the hight of the cold war, and when cash was king for most payments.  
Edit 3: If one is concerned about surveillance by the NSA a good place to start is to not outsource control over one's computers, or devices to companies that are part of the PRISM program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg This includes both Microsoft and Apple. By the way I consider commercial surveillance (spying by corporations on consumers for marketing or DRM purposes) and not agencies such as the NSA to be the real threat to freedom and civil liberties here.

IMO, what Spoetnik has said, is when you use an exchange, they record your Name & Address & SS# & in some cases your Picture ID.
Every Exchange has a record of exactly how much Monero you purchased and how much you sent out and how much you received, and at what time intervals, all of this information can be cross referenced. (Does not matter if monero is never cracked, they can still find you.)

Tor does not protect your IP address as asshats get arrested all of the Time and the FBI refused to revel how they found them.

All the US Gov has to do , is list monero as a money launder tool or terrorist tool, and every exchange and every other Business where you purchased anything will give up your real name & address , including IP address , so fast it will make your head swim, then have someone at your home requesting to view your private transactions and keys which the mere refusal would give you jail time.  
You guys really fail to understand what you are up against , sadly only changes in international & local laws or straight up rebellion will end this nonsense.

Anon is just a joke, in the current society, because the deck has been stacked against anon , from before most here were even born.  

 

FYI:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us/nsa-collecting-millions-of-faces-from-web-images.html?_r=0

This is trivial to do with a Bitcoin transaction; however can you please explain how this would be done with a Monero transaction?

Before responding may I suggest first some references https://getmonero.org/research-lab/

I would start with the Cryptonote whitepaoer https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf and then proceed to the MRL review of the Cryptonote whitepapaer and the further research done by the MRL.

There is no such think as anon unless you are living in a bunker.