Topic: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ - page 7. (Read 2330 times)

I don't see a problem compensating the victims with the fund available in escrow. If a scammer scam someone and if an escrow have the fund then sending back the fund to the scammer will be weird. I am sure a lot of people joined their campaign knowing some $40k funds are in hold and the campaign manager is holding the signature payment.

Is someone considering leaving a negative feedback to Whirlwind's feedback page? Or it is too early to do such thing, may be doing so will let them run away without changing their mind.

In bitcoin when someone is offering you to send them your coin and hold it in their custody, it's always unique LOL
I will never allow a third party to hold even a 100 mbtc for me. Not your key not your coin, very simple.

Regarding technical background, scammers are always smarter than average people or you and would never was scammed.

The last time I used WWM was after adding the concept of notes public key, so I don't remember the details of withdrawal, but I think that sending a note private key to minerjones would solve the problem because it was the only way to prove user ownership.

Anyway, I hope they go back, I'll give them 3 more days, maybe they were in Hawaii where there were fires or in Southeast Asia where there was typhoon.
after that it is better to consider what happened as scam and start minimizing the damage as much as possible.

As been repetitively informed, their clearnet has been down for a while, their tor version is still up and running though. Charles-Tim already gave you a guide on how to use the tor site from the other thread. If you're still unclear about how to use tor and want to try to access their tor site, I can guide you step by step. But, the current advise for the time being is to refrain from depositing until the pending transactions came through.

I don't see a problem if the funds from the escrow were used to settle the user, regardless of the fact that it was initially planned for the review campaign. Which, by the way, was finished a long time ago. The problem is that it is difficult to prove how much someone had/tried to withdraw because there is no irrefutable evidence for that. All they have is a letter of guarantee or notes, but that can very easily be forged, which will certainly be tempting to scammers.
Also, after the withdrawal request, the balance going to be 0, so in the event that the escrow gets direct access to the private key, it will not be able to determine the owner and amount of funds with certainty.

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This is not true. You haven't read anything, because if you had, you would know that the unavailability of the Whirlwind website is not the main problem.
Read again, Sir.


The problem with the clearnet whirlwind page has been going on for over a month now, and considering your insistence on it, I'm pretty sure you've never used Whirlwind, at least not in the last month.
Why do you act as a victim in this case? Why do you say "We"?

I visited the site a little while ago, I created a note, and pressed deposit button, and there is no warning about using the service or that there are problems with withdrawal, and this is a very bad indicator, if there is a problem, at least make a big warning before deposit.


According to the multi-signature address, the withdrawal was on the 9th and there is no update, so I think that the number of people whose money is still in the service is large. Does anyone know what the terms of the contract with @minerjones? Are 40k only for review campaign, or can they be used to compensate users if the service turns into scam?


The idea of the site is unique and their technical background is good, but it seems that they do not have enough liquidity to create a decentralized mixing service. we'll have to wait a long time to see a mixing service with blinded bearer certificates.

That's right. I created a note, deposited funds, and then requested a withdrawal to different addresses. Whirlwind executed all these steps without any apparent issues, and now my note's balance displays 0 BTC. However, the coins never actually arrived in my wallet.

I have read, Sir
It's still not work today and I will just wait for more official announcement.


We will receive coins back if whirlwind money has given a guarantee on it?
How will it work, Sir?

It's not like private key isn't it?
Only for private key, coins is really our coin.


shasan just reported it doesn't work for him as well:

Point is, I will not trust a mixing service to hold my coin for long days. With Chipmixer they provided me the withdrawal private keys as soon as one confirmation was made of my deposit. When the private keys are in my possession, it was my responsibility to secure any coin on the keys, they never encouraged me to hold the coins in those private keys. I don't see anything for WWM that they wanted to emulate with Chipmixer. They wanted to take the empty space of Chipmixer and the hype they created was with the unexpected very high paying signature campaign.

Look at it from the business perspective:
[1.] Is the business making enough money? No.
[2.] What is the ratio of business and marketing expense? Very abnormal ratio of expense than income.
If I have a thousand btc then may be I can afford it, question is do they have a thousand btc? All we saw were few btc on that 2 of 3 address and $40k deposited to minerjones. I really hope I am wrong about them and they will come back to operate normal like before.

One very important concern in the business model was the way they always encouraged people to keep the coins in their platform. All they provided was a private note with some numbers and text string, you can not use publicly to verify balance. Does it sound like a Ponzi scheme?

So right now you have no balance is showing on your note but you did not receive the coin too?

The campaign was paused after several issues with users not receiving their withdrawal yet and was later reopened after the manager got feedback from the team with the assurance that everything would be resolved in the next couple of hours, which the manager also shared with the community both on the ANN thread and that of the Signature campaign thread.
This night, the manager seems to be disappointed by the lack of action by the team, as they have failed to keep to their part of the process in regard to getting the issue resolved and also addressing the issue. I think it's really the right thing to do to get the campaign paused for the main time so that those who are not aware of the ongoing situation might not move ahead to use the service and also get their money stocked in their accounts.

Edit: @albon Just got the information few minutes ago.

Unfortunately, there is a sad piece of news I have read that the whirlwind team has not come to post an update yet regarding the things that happened last week on their site, so veteran bounty manager Hhampuz will not continue to promote this signature campaign and will be put it on hold indefinitely. The payments have already been sent for round 20 to Participants to their notes, and the signature campaign participants can now remove signatures and avatars.


I do not know frankly what circumstances the whirlwind team is going through, which prevented them from returning to write an update to reassure the community and respond to their emails. I hope that the withdrawal will open and process mining reward payments and that the Whirlwind mixer clients complete their transactions smoothly, and that the signature campaign will return ASAP so that the community’s concern does not increase and does not get a wrong impression about this Whirlwind Mixer.

Thank you. I hope you're right.



Yes, you're right. Luckily, I've saved both LoGs - one for my deposit and another for my withdrawal.



Honestly, I was a bit surprised when I saw that Hhampuz decided to resume the signature campaign and suggested that everyone can put their signatures back up. This is despite the fact that the Whirlwind service is still non-functional, and there's a risk that using the mixing service could result in money being stuck on the platform. But of course, I don't really know who he's talking to or what he's been told to assure him that everything will be fine. I just want to point out that I haven't received any response from them so far, and I find it odd that they're communicating with the campaign manager while ignoring their customers.



BitcoinGirl.Club I completely agree with both of your points. Regarding their withdrawal method, it seems like they wanted to emulate ChipMixer, although it seems to me that CM did it slightly better.
You are also right about the Letter of Guarantee. Luckily I have both, but it wouldn't have been like that if I hadn't requested a withdrawal and the balance on my note disappeared.

Point [1.] When someone is going to ask me to stake my bitcoin in a wallet where I have no control then I will say no. Not my key not my coin. I fail to understand why bitcointalk members fail to realize this simple law of bitcoin.
Point [2.] Considering the nature of the business [mixers], I like something which will give my coins as fast as it is possible. Today a mixer looks very popular and promising, after few hours it can be seized by the authority or anything can happen and if my coins are there then I will lose it.

Unusual mixing method nature: Here is another thing I find really bad. Normally when an address is given from a mixer with their Letter of Guarantee, the letter includes deposit address, amount [either deposit or withdrawal] and withdrawal address. Give attention, there are THREE key information you need to verify instead of trusting the words and all three should be in the letter. But unfortunately in WWM you have no chance to have these three keys together. The note system made is complected. If I send 1 btc to mix and then if I withdraw 0.5 btc and 0.5 left in my note but today if that disappears and WWM demands that I myself withdrew it, how will I prove it wrong?

This Letter of Guarantee is useless I think if you are talking about the Letter when you deposited.

Still, all that they told Hhampuz didn't happen. I didn't see any variation on their exchange wallet, as no deposit was processed, nor any post here on the forum. They didn’t answer my email, or process any mining reward payments (those are totally off chain).
Given the amount of scrutiny they are facing, not ideal.

Hopefully you don’t have to do that, but it’s quite trivial. You said have a signed LoG saying you withdrew X BTC to the address Y, all you have to do is post the note and everyone can see through a block explorer that your address hasn’t received the coins.

It hurts to get your funds stock somewhere because of the inconvenience it might have caused you as a result of not getting the money when needed. But there is nothing that could really be done right now rather than just waiting for a positive response from them, as they assured Hhampu to get things working again in the next few hours, which is near. I will just have to advise you to be patient and wait a little longer if withdrawal is not processed. At least the team should be able to come in and clear the air with a detailed explanation of the matter at hand if it's something different from just being far from the authorization access.

Thanks. I didn't use their "anonymity mining" feature either. All I wanted was to mix some coins that I use to pay for certain services, in order to enhance my privacy, just like I've done in the past.

I've got all the evidence, and I sent it to them privately because I didn't want to put it out in the open just yet. I've got my note's public address, the Letter of Guarantee, the TXID for my deposit, and I can even sign the address I used to deposit if they want. Of course, I don't know how to prove that I didn't get anything back since they haven't made any transaction from their end.

Honestly, I didn't like the whole idea of staking on their platform from the beginning. I see every mixer as a platform that should serve as simply as possible and in the shortest time. When we add to that the regular difficulties and risks for each mixer, holding Bitcoin there is a bad idea for users.
I talked about it at the beginning of the implementation of this idea

decodx, In your case, I would be patient for a while longer, considering the last communication between the campaign manager and the Whirlwind representative. Take into account the possible time difference, so accept a maximum waiting time. You certainly have every right to ask for your money, it's somehow especially bad when you lose money that you entrusted to someone. Regardless of whether it is $100 or $5000 or even more.
I didn't use their service after the introduction of anonymity mining, but are there any traces that you can use to prove the last unsuccessful withdrawal? In case of a refund from a third ^escrow party.

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has offered their support here. I appreciate it. Unfortunately, there hasn't been any progress on my whirlwind case. My money is still stuck with them, and the available balance on my private note displays: 0 BTC, without any explanation provided whatsoever. I get that a hundred bucks or so might not be a big deal to a bunch of folks here, but it's a big deal to me. It's not gonna break the bank, but hey, it's still my money we're talking about!

I'm really open to hearing your thoughts on what my next move should be. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Your opinions are much appreciated!

As I understood, there is no “damage” I.e. Loss of funds. , but for sure this delay in communication is very worrying.
Don’t forget they told Hhampuz everything would have been fixed by today.

I completely agree that you should be extremely careful here, at least until some time passes and the service continues to work without issue.
The problem happened because a significant part of the team lost access due to travel, I think that without access they cannot determine the exact amount of damage.