I few reasons I support self moderated posts:
-Limit troll activity from competition or hobbyists
-Allow a small controlled space for personal OPs
-We cant expect moderators to wipe our little tushies every 10 seconds
-Moderators don't suffer if a thread is being hijacked the OP does
-Moderators couldn't moderate at this kind of level for everyone even if they spent every second of every day modding
-Make the OP responsible for their threads, not the mods
-Nothing is stopping people from posting in trading discussion, scammer accusations, trust, or even the very same section as the OP.
part of free speech is also having your own forum for your opinions. Hijacking a thread and trolling is often used as a form of censorship or instrument of harm on otherwise legitimate dealers. A handful of people can easily destroy a business plan if they put some effort into it via nothing other than slander, especially in a community so reliant on trust via reputation.
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June 26, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
June 26, 2013, 11:44:02 PM
How about you can only make self moderated threads if you have a certain activity number? That makes it impossible for someone to make a few posts to get out of newbie jail, then immediately create a self moderated thread to try to scam others.
Not a bad idea at all, I've opened up a thread on the Staff section about issues with the self moderation system (people being able to edit mods) I'd be happy to add that suggestion to the thread (accredited to you of course)
June 26, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
although it could go either way, its one of those decisions that you have to make, do you penalize the people who aren't going to abuse the system to hit the people who are? If you look at general crypto/libertarian philosophy, the answer tends to be no.
I think if the moderators are on their game like in this instance we have nothing to worry about
June 26, 2013, 11:34:01 PM
although it could go either way, its one of those decisions that you have to make, do you penalize the people who aren't going to abuse the system to hit the people who are? If you look at general crypto/libertarian philosophy, the answer tends to be no.
How about you can only make self moderated threads if you have a certain activity number? That makes it impossible for someone to make a few posts to get out of newbie jail, then immediately create a self moderated thread to try to scam others.
June 26, 2013, 11:31:44 PM
although it could go either way, its one of those decisions that you have to make, do you penalize the people who aren't going to abuse the system to hit the people who are? If you look at general crypto/libertarian philosophy, the answer tends to be no.
June 26, 2013, 11:27:18 PM
Hmm, those are good points.
However, I would view such slander as a perfect opportunity to present the facts as they actually are
In my opinion, those with an agenda simply create an alternate thread, thereby increasing overall spam/useless post counts.
There's several 'legitimate' business owners that may have had less success in their schemes if it weren't for self moderated threads. I say let the free speech that has been honored by this forum (for better or worse in some cases) be complete and do what it does best, the truth eventually comes out.
The long con is often hard to predict, the occasional reminder never hurts even if the opinion may often be somewhat delusional.
Anyways, you are here discussing the situation and that's truly excellent, regardless of the final decision(s).
However, I would view such slander as a perfect opportunity to present the facts as they actually are
In my opinion, those with an agenda simply create an alternate thread, thereby increasing overall spam/useless post counts.
There's several 'legitimate' business owners that may have had less success in their schemes if it weren't for self moderated threads. I say let the free speech that has been honored by this forum (for better or worse in some cases) be complete and do what it does best, the truth eventually comes out.
The long con is often hard to predict, the occasional reminder never hurts even if the opinion may often be somewhat delusional.
Anyways, you are here discussing the situation and that's truly excellent, regardless of the final decision(s).
June 26, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Yes, I issued him a scam warning, and he deleted it. So I trashed his thread, and he is now upset posting obscene images. The Banning will commence in 3... 2... 1... special thanks go out to Maged.
SaltySpitoon and Maged, what's the point of self moderated thread anyways. It just seems like it's only useful to perpetuate a lie (or a weird joke) like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/first-and-best-altcoin-ever-tonal-bitcoin-tbc-218388
Or used for scams and such.
Self Moderated threads can be incredibly useful for legitimate business owners, or service providers to eliminate unnecessary spam. For example, if someone wanted to create a thread about a new Litecoin service, it could be spammed by 20 people who don't like Litecoin. In that case, deleting their posts is completely necessary, or the comments could lead to arguments and further thread derailment. Although there is potential for abuse, they are more beneficial far more often than not.
However, I brought to attention the fact that moderator posts can be edited or deleted in Self Moderated threads, hopefully that will get cleared up.
June 26, 2013, 10:48:24 PM
This effort was so bad it was kind of humorous. I consider it a numbskulled attempt at satire.
June 26, 2013, 10:47:35 PM
I think the best way to have Self-Moderated threads is to have a mod manually check it over before its posted.
That'll cut down on the BS
That'll cut down on the BS
June 26, 2013, 10:38:55 PM
Thanks SaltySpitoon! The way you uncovered his BS is brilliant. Thanks for so quickly clamping down on this. Some people have not been around long enough to spot these obvious scams and may be tricked. Especially with self moderated posts when all the negative posts get deleted immediately.
June 26, 2013, 10:38:28 PM
Reptar, You are a true asset to this forum and what is left of the community. I believe the self-moderated forum threads are an unnecessary risk.
June 26, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
Yes, I issued him a scam warning, and he deleted it. So I trashed his thread, and he is now upset posting obscene images. The Banning will commence in 3... 2... 1... special thanks go out to Maged.
SaltySpitoon and Maged, what's the point of self moderated thread anyways. It just seems like it's only useful to perpetuate a lie (or a weird joke) like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/first-and-best-altcoin-ever-tonal-bitcoin-tbc-218388
Or used for scams and such.
June 26, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
Thanks SaltySpitoon! The way you uncovered his BS is brilliant. Thanks for so quickly clamping down on this. Some people have not been around long enough to spot these obvious scams and may be tricked. Especially with self moderated posts when all the negative posts get deleted immediately.
Thank you, indeed. 10 of my posts were deleted in that thread.
https://i.imgur.com/q0gYILF.png?1
June 26, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
Thanks SaltySpitoon! The way you uncovered his BS is brilliant. Thanks for so quickly clamping down on this. Some people have not been around long enough to spot these obvious scams and may be tricked. Especially with self moderated posts when all the negative posts get deleted immediately.
June 26, 2013, 10:27:15 PM
He mad.
June 26, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
15+ orders my ass
June 26, 2013, 10:21:58 PM
Wanted to save this:
Alright, well I have just added a Scam warning to the thread heading. I will explain my actions, so that you can either fix what is wrong, or just give up if this is indeed a scam. The [SCAM WARNING] tag isn't necessarily a permanent thing if you can provide a reasonable doubt that you are indeed a legitimate business owner.
1) You claim to have orders, but no one is coming forth and saying anything about it.
2) Lack of escrow is alarming, but not an offense all together. Combine with the other factors though, it leads to serious concerns
3) You claim to be affiliated with a large Precious metal trading company, but not eager to provide any sort of proof to your claim
4) Linking in with #3, when I asked you if you would ship to Australia, that was actually a test. Australia has incredibly strict silver importation laws, I figured anyone working with APMEX would be at least aware of the $1500 minimum order needed as per APMEX policy due to these restrictions.
This taken from the Australian Customs page:
Country Conditions for Mailing — Australia
Prohibitions (130)
Coins; bank notes; currency notes (paper money); securities of any kind payable to bearer; traveler’s checks; platinum, gold, and silver (except for jewelry items meeting the requirement in “Restrictions” below); precious stones (except when contained in jewelry items meeting the requirement in “Restrictions” below); and other valuable articles are prohibited.
As I said before, please note, if you can otherwise prove you are not a scammer, and you are indeed a legitimate business, I will remove the [SCAM WARNING] tag. But with that many red flags, it is in my best interest to attempt to protect the Bitcointalk members with the warning.
1) You claim to have orders, but no one is coming forth and saying anything about it.
2) Lack of escrow is alarming, but not an offense all together. Combine with the other factors though, it leads to serious concerns
3) You claim to be affiliated with a large Precious metal trading company, but not eager to provide any sort of proof to your claim
4) Linking in with #3, when I asked you if you would ship to Australia, that was actually a test. Australia has incredibly strict silver importation laws, I figured anyone working with APMEX would be at least aware of the $1500 minimum order needed as per APMEX policy due to these restrictions.
This taken from the Australian Customs page:
Country Conditions for Mailing — Australia
Prohibitions (130)
Coins; bank notes; currency notes (paper money); securities of any kind payable to bearer; traveler’s checks; platinum, gold, and silver (except for jewelry items meeting the requirement in “Restrictions” below); precious stones (except when contained in jewelry items meeting the requirement in “Restrictions” below); and other valuable articles are prohibited.
As I said before, please note, if you can otherwise prove you are not a scammer, and you are indeed a legitimate business, I will remove the [SCAM WARNING] tag. But with that many red flags, it is in my best interest to attempt to protect the Bitcointalk members with the warning.
That was very clever of Salty, love it! Thank you guys for taking care of that idiot. People like that can do nothing but harm the image of cryptocurrency.
June 26, 2013, 10:21:11 PM
Yes, I issued him a scam warning, and he deleted it. So I trashed his thread, and he is now upset posting obscene images. The Banning will commence in 3... 2... 1... special thanks go out to Maged.
June 26, 2013, 10:17:58 PM
Hahah he's posting gay pics now.
Aww is the little kid mad he couldn't scam?
Go choke on a dick
Aww is the little kid mad he couldn't scam?
Go choke on a dick
June 26, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Lulz the Royal Australian Southern Sky proof is shaped like a dome. I can't wait to hand someone a dome-shaped LTC coin.
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