Topic: was the "i'm not dorian nakamoto" post geniune ? (Read 5759 times)

*Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

*Hal Finney quote: “How do you find someone who has spent a lifetime covering his tracks?…For some, he was a guardian angel. For others, a ghost, who never quite fit in…What’s the S stand for?”

Ray is still active on this forum as "cryddit". He's probably the best source to listen to about this subject:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryddit-146383

* Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Finney, Satoshi, and I discussed how divisible a Bitcoin ought to be.  Satoshi had already more or less decided on a 50-coin per block payout with halving every so often to add up to a 21M coin supply.  Finney made the point that people should never need any currency division smaller than a US penny, and then somebody (I forget who) consulted some oracle somewhere like maybe Wikipedia and figured out what the entire world’s M1 money supply at that time was”.
"We debated for a while about which measure of money Bitcoin most closely approximated; but M2, M3, and so on are all for debt-based currencies, so I agreed with Finney that M1 was probably the best measure".

Note: Satoshi is gone, I'm sure it was a little help from his friends.

I think i satoshi  is not only one person,
May be an organization!

Was the Dorian Nakamoto story an attempt at BTC price fixing?

Fact is: He didn't write that post and there is no proof that he is still around.

Of course it was genuine.
No hackers reported.

Fact is that since he wrote that post it is pretty obvious that he is still alive and lurks the forum.

You don't understand about the concept of "open source," do you?

There are a fair number of realistic possibilities as to the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. The 3-letter alphabet agencies are not among them.

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying. We are pretty sure that a given set of addresses are his, due to analysis of the blocks with an incrementing nonce. But what makes you think he did not also mine on another machine, perhaps on an intermittent basis, thereby randomizing that nonce at each restart? And possibly changing the address to reward at each restart as well?

I can't pretend to know anything about these other (admittedly speculated) addresses, so I can't tell you all about them. But I am wondering why you are so sure that they don't exist. I don't know what 'touching his originals' has to do with anything, nor understand why there might be any need to 'substitute 100's of millions of dollars'.

I see it as a distinct possibility. And one that might allow him to live in relative comfort, if not in lavish style, by cashing in from these other addresses. Such would allow him to do so in a manner undetected, no?

Around what time did the CIA openly take an interest in Bitcoin?  I can't recall a time period and would like to know more about that story.  It wouldn't surprise me if he has passed but I'd like to think Satoshi is alive and well.  Just sitting back and marveling at how far his experiment has come.  

If the NSA did know then they would just take his Bitcoins without him knowing how they did it. Because he has so many Bitcoins he has every reason not to want to be known.

So you are saying it is possible he has other address?

Id love to hear about these other addresses and how he would have them if he didn't touch his originals further or how any could substitute 100's of millions of dollars.

He could potentially set something up so that his private keys would be accessible to his heirs upon his death (along with instructions for use).

How do you know it's the American agencies in your conspiracy theory?

Probably yes, it was his real profile so?

Silly assertion is silly.

What makes you think that we know all the addresses where Satoshi has stored coins?

The NSA IS Satoshi Nakamoto. If not, then it's the CIA. I find it VERY hard to imagine that the governments would just say, "Oh, you want a currency we can't control? Sure, we'll make it legal for you to use it. We don't care about our power." They built it and made it look like someone else did it. It's the One World Currency.

So now we have to believe he is so independently wealthy he has no need for his coins...

So now if he even sold a little he would crash the market...

So now he can never spend any without revealing his identity.... ( this one I highly doubt, many ways around it)

In the end he is the poorest richest man I know lol

Just think, if he didn't make himself so secretive and just came out early and encouraged us all, the idea, the community etc and lobby for change he could enjoy himself.

Instead he was essentially to smart for his own good.

In fact I would go as far to say as he has made trusting btc as easy as trusting the gov. Hi here, use this, don't ask questions of me or where it came from or how, just use it and be happy.

You really think Satoshi has given his laywer private keys? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I find it highly unlikely that Satoshi would trust his identity(or at least the private keys of blocks that were apparently mined by him).

I would argue that him attempting to spend/sell any of his bitcoin would likely expose his identity which he does not want, additionally it would likely cause the price of bitcoin to go down when he sells even a small amount, which would make him loose a lot of money while gaining a small amount of fiat.

That's pretty rich of you calling someone nutty and socially inept just because he has not spent any of his 1 million BTC. For all you know he might already be independently wealthy. After all many innovative tech people have made their own money via ground floor involvement in tech startups and the like. I'm sure he has his own reasons why he hasn't touched those coins, but he doesn't need to explain or justify them to anybody.