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Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software - page 38. (Read 11758 times)

legendary
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While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.
What if, when you first launch the application, you can prompt the user to select by default what type of connection will be used to connect (for example, only Wifi). I know that this can be done in the phone settings, but few people worry about it.

And the mobile Internet will be used “only when using the application.” My point is that if the mobile Internet is not used to work in the background, then this will not affect the battery drain in any way.

Although, to be honest, I'm not sure how to implement this.  Smiley

It's decent idea, phone usually use more battery when there's no strong mobile signal. I don't know how it can be implemented either, but i believe Wasabi team have sufficient technical skill to do that. Although i wonder how much battery can be saved when you use Wifi rather than mobile internet.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.
What if, when you first launch the application, you can prompt the user to select by default what type of connection will be used to connect (for example, only Wifi). I know that this can be done in the phone settings, but few people worry about it.

And the mobile Internet will be used “only when using the application.” My point is that if the mobile Internet is not used to work in the background, then this will not affect the battery drain in any way.

Although, to be honest, I'm not sure how to implement this.  Smiley
legendary
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--snip--
When was that comment about smartphones originally made, and how have smartphones of today have become more powerful since the original announcement? I believe some smartphone hardware might be starting to reach the capability of what some software requires of it to function like a desktop, no?

Although the smartphone's OS could be limiting, especially Apple's smartphones.

While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.
legendary
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I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

A mobile app is on the roadmap, but it's not currently in the building stage yet. A lot of code maintenance was completed to make it easier to implement though.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.


One short term option is to launch a mobile Wasabi app that connects to your Wasabi desktop running at home, similar to how Zeus used to only work as a mobile interface for your remote Lightning node.


When was that comment about smartphones originally made, and how have smartphones of today have become more powerful since the original announcement? I believe some smartphone hardware might be starting to reach the capability of what some software requires of it to function like a desktop, no?

Although the smartphone's OS could be limiting, especially Apple's smartphones.
member
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I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

A mobile app is on the roadmap, but it's not currently in the building stage yet. A lot of code maintenance was completed to make it easier to implement though.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.

One short term option is to launch a mobile Wasabi app that connects to your Wasabi desktop running at home, similar to how Zeus used to only work as a mobile interface for your remote Lightning node.
legendary
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I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

This has now been fixed.  @ABCbits, let me know if you have any issues, I got a 403 error on one attempt, but refreshing the page made it go away.

Sorry i didn't notice your reply. Anyway, i can confirm i can access the blog from Tor Browser without encounter 403 most of the times.



Hello.

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
Hello.

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.
member
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I wrote a blog post for Wasabi explaining the DoS protection and fee savings features - https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/dos-fortification-and-coinjoin-time-preference/
jr. member
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Thank you for reporting, I had not realized there was an earlier origin for the quote!

LOL. LARPs as big defender of privacy but hasn't even heard of Cypherpunk's Manifesto!

Super example of Wasabi team. No idea what they talk about. No idea about privacy. Just want to make profit by spying on you.
member
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I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

This has now been fixed.  @ABCbits, let me know if you have any issues, I got a 403 error on one attempt, but refreshing the page made it go away.
member
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Merit: 93
Enable v2transport=1 and mempoolfullrbf=1
I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

I came accross this thread as it was mentioned by icopress and Poker Player.


I immediately found a quote, which was originally written in 1993 by Eric Hughes in the CypherPunk Manifesto (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cypherpunk-manifesto-we-all-should-read-it-5175676) and no credit was given, making it looks like it was created by wasabiwallet team

Privacy is your ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world. - wasabiwallet.io

I think you should give the proper credit.

Quote
A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
by Eric Hughes
Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html

Thank you for reporting, I had not realized there was an earlier origin for the quote!
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
I came accross this thread as it was mentioned by icopress and Poker Player.


I immediately found a quote, which was originally written in 1993 by Eric Hughes in the CypherPunk Manifesto (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cypherpunk-manifesto-we-all-should-read-it-5175676) and no credit was given, making it looks like it was created by wasabiwallet team

Privacy is your ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world. - wasabiwallet.io

I think you should give the proper credit.

Quote
A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
by Eric Hughes
Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html
legendary
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I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.
member
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I'm merely curious how many of the total inputs are rejected by the coordinator annually. Would you be allowed to give the public that information? Or you can just give everyone reading through the topic an estimated percentage.

I don't have access to that information.

I like that, and that would be fair for the users. I believe zkSNACKS should start a forum to give users a place where they could refute false positives.

That would probably be a good source of data for both Wasabi and the blockchain analytics company to improve your/their services.

If you experience a blacklisting rejection on coins from a reputable source or service, you can create an issue on Github to report a false positive flag.
legendary
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So you're saying the data is not real-time?

When an input registers, a query with that input's address is sent to an analysis company in real time.  The analysis company replies with a risk category associated with that address (e.g. credit card fraud), if there one was reported for that address?


I'm merely curious how many of the total inputs are rejected by the coordinator annually. Would you be allowed to give the public that information? Or you can just give everyone reading through the topic an estimated percentage.

they should have some kind of notification to update their database, no? If not trigger it automatically?

If an address is blocked for suspicious activity, the ban lasts for 30 days.  If there was an update to the database that cleared that address of a false positive flag, they would be able to coinjoin it then.


I like that, and that would be fair for the users. I believe zkSNACKS should start a forum to give users a place where they could refute false positives.

That would probably be a good source of data for both Wasabi and the blockchain analytics company to improve your/their services.
member
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So you're saying the data is not real-time?

When an input registers, a query with that input's address is sent to an analysis company in real time.  The analysis company replies with a risk category associated with that address (e.g. credit card fraud), if there one was reported for that address.

they should have some kind of notification to update their database, no? If not trigger it automatically?

If an address is blocked for suspicious activity, the ban lasts for 30 days.  If there was an update to the database that cleared that address of a false positive flag, they would be able to coinjoin it then.
legendary
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How can they censor your UTXOs if they don't 'collect any data'?

Because they buy that data from someone else, obviously.

So you're saying the data is not real-time?

While I don't expect anyone here to know the rate at which zksnacks updates their blacklisting database, or even whether it is updated periodically, I am fairly sure that if something comes up as in an event where somebody is conducting a major hack or dirty money movement and the blockchain analysis firms have tracked it, they should have some kind of notification to update their database, no? If not trigger it automatically?
member
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How can they censor your UTXOs if they don't 'collect any data'?

Because they buy that data from someone else, obviously.
hero member
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not your keys, not your coins!
you are here talking about privacy, lol unless the quotes above are wrong?

Yes, I am here talking about privacy.  Did you read the privacy policy I quoted?  I'll post it again so everyone is clear that there is absolutely no data collected whatsoever by zkSNACKs:
zkSNACKs specifies that they may blacklist your coins, e.g. if you're trying to use it for 'illicit' activities (their definition of what that is exactly, can be argued about, too, but it's a different story).

zkSNACKs Ltd. may execute illicit activity checking and control via a contracted third party solely in its coinjoin coordination services. zkSNACKs Ltd. may suspend your UTXOs’ access to the coinjoin services, with immediate effect for any reason - including but not limited to illicit or prohibited activities, applicable sanctions programs, or any crime or money-laundering activity - at its sole discretion and is under no obligation to disclose the details of its decision to take such action with you. In this case you are not permitted to use the relevant/high-risk bitcoin UTXO to reach the coinjoin services.

You acknowledge that zkSNACKs Ltd.'s decision to take certain actions, including suspending for any reason at our sole discretion, may be based on confidential criteria that are essential to zkSNACKs Ltd.'s risk management and security protocols. You agree that zkSNACKs Ltd. is under no obligation to disclose the details of its risk management and security procedures to you.

Your access with the relevant bitcoin UTXOs to the coinjoin services will be permanently suspended.

How can they censor your UTXOs if they don't 'collect any data'? You need some kind of basis to decide whether a transaction is connected to an 'illicit or prohibited activity' or not. Wink

Besides that, one of Bitcoin's core reasons of existence is not to censor any transactions, regardless of what business they're involved in.
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you are here talking about privacy, lol unless the quotes above are wrong?

Yes, I am here talking about privacy.  Did you read the privacy policy I quoted?  I'll post it again so everyone is clear that there is absolutely no data collected whatsoever by zkSNACKs:

Quote from: zkSNACKs
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II. PRIVACY POLICY
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    This policy describes the ways zkSNACKs collects, stores, uses and protects personal information. The purpose of this policy is to ensure that zkSNACKs complies with applicable European Union (EU) and other statutory data protection laws and regulations, and ensures that users are provided privacy protection.
    Data protection laws are generally relevant in case any processing of personal data is concerned. The terms used within the scope of this data protection declaration are defined in and by the General Data Protection Regulation of the European Union. As such, the wide definition of "processing" of personal data means any operation or set of operations performed on personal data.

Personally Identifiable Information
===================================

    “Personally identifiable information” (“personal information”) is any information that can be directly associated with a specific person and can be used to identify that person. A prime example of identifiable information is a person’s name.

Handling Information
====================

   Since we are working on privacy, and our mission is to regain personal privacy, our Services are designed to be used without indication of any personal data. For this reason we do not have any kind of data collecting solutions built into our products. There may only be one personal data processing in our Service, for customer support in case of technical problems: visitors may, indicate their email addresses voluntarily to get notifications in case of any potential technical problems or other inquiries. These e-mail addresses are solely used to answer users’ questions and are erased after 100 days. In this case, the processing of the data is based on a freely given consent to Article 6 (1) (a) of the GDPR and is aimed at the effective handling of the complaint.
    We use GitHub as the main platform for users’ technical questions and issues, and we do not retain any data that can be subsequently identified / associated with the user.
   We expressly declare that we do not manage or store any other personally identifiable information.
    By visiting the Website and using our Services, You agree with this policy, in accordance with Section 1.2 of the Terms and Conditions

All User Information is Confidential
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   Because we cannot link Your wallet and Your personal information (such as Your name and IP address) provided under the Service, Your personal information is safe and cannot be accessed by our staff or third parties.
    zkSNACKs will protect processed data in the customer Service process adequately against unauthorized access (of third parties) in accordance with the provisions of the legal framework of Republic of Seychelles. We will only process data which are essential to provide our Services. Data will not be used or stored by other means than set out in this document and are made accessible only to a restricted and necessary number of persons. We do not transfer any personal data to third parties.
    All employees of zkSNACKs have been informed about applicable data protection provisions as well as data security measures and are bound to our privacy practices. All staff are bound by confidentiality agreements.

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