we need more volatility and faster bear bull bigger losses or bigger profits

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 20, 2020, 02:17:44 AM

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 02:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

It depends on the knowledge and patience of the trader if he/she going to earn because this is the key to success to much greedy or too much fear in trading does not necessary. All actions has a consequence. To win or to fail.

Altcoin market are highly manipulated and the number rules knowing how the choose the perfect coin. Aside, i thing that leads to the creation of this thread is the OP and some people not understanding how the crypto market works cause the market cant be rosy always.

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that?

No, have the solution the market is decentralized and the best way to profit from it is by following the whales decision and try as much as possible to make profit through trend.

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:13 AM

we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

You can speak for everybody and the last time i checked some people are into crypto because of the technology. However, every momentum posed by the market comes with unique benefit you just need to enlighten about what to do.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 02:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

it depends, maybe you trade the MOVE contracts Grin

this way you could profit in low volatility times.

to learn more about it I think one of the best articles is this one by romano:
https://medium.com/@romanornr/ftx-com-move-contracts-46c586a66408

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This is the reason why we are trading because of the volatile market but you cannot rule the market to make any adjustment with your decisions, I think if you are one of the whales you can make it easily manipulated without no worries. If you are just common people who just want to make a trade with a higher volatile market I think it's better to keep your funds it's better to wait patiently because this is part of trading.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 02:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

It depends on the knowledge and patience of the trader if he/she going to earn because this is the key to success to much greedy or too much fear in trading does not necessary. All actions has a consequence. To win or to fail.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 11:19:57 AM

not everybody is in crypto only to get rich.

I wish this was true but everyone of us spend their time and energy around here because we want to earn, I am being very honest. I mean we are here discussing trading pattern and answering each other because it helps gain more knowledge about trading and why are we all learning? Because we want to earn at the end of the day.

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 11:19:57 AM

if you want more % gain you can try futures markets and leverage to have bigger returns on smaller price movements.

But that also means if a big bearish-run follows then you need to have some backup funds to manage portfolio and assets during those times.

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just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks

True hence I always prefer slow but steady profits instead of quick but uncertain profits. I know a lot of people are looking for fast moving market to execute their trades as fast as possible but it is risky if the market keeps moving in a particular direction (down) for an extended run.

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If you are expecting the whole crypto markets to work the way DeFi did, then I must say that it won't be too far for the death of this crypto world. Seriously, you need to rethink on this. What volatility are you even talking about? It was all looking fake to me because their markets are limited with least required liquidity, the marketcaps blasted in numbers because of those tokens' prices, but instead of going for its value in USD, did you check what kind of buyers they had? It was like a rat in front of an elephant who's ready to kill the rat with just one attack. BTC is doing far better than that and I'm really happy to see stable growth rather than flying high and then crying when it gets a steep pullback down as a correction.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on October 05, 2020, 04:10:58 AM

If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.

I don't think that is 100% correct because it is indeed true that more volatility means more trades possible and actually it is beneficial if the market moves up and down all day but that does not happen. What you are saying is basic trading knowledge but been a trader for long time I can tell you that more fluctuation is actually better for day traders like me who want to just make small profits and maybe OP has similar style.

How do I cop up with this less fluctuation then? I simply do Leverage trading with 5x more money and this means even small change in price will now give me higher profits so the market remains the same and doesn't change all day as much but I adapted in such a way that now I have bigger amount due to leverage and now even small price changes matter a lot.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 02:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 11:19:57 AM

just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks.

I do not know why something so simple gets lost on most people, people see the volatility of this market and then add leverage trading and they imagine themselves making a fortune and while that is definitely possible they fail to see that the most likely scenario is that they will lose all their money in a heartbeat, after all leverage trading is something that only experimented traders should try and yet you see a lot of newbies trying it and then they come here to the forum to complain about how the exchange is trading against them when no one really forced them to use 10x leverage or more.

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Well, top top traders that i know do not care about volatility when it involves investment; as a trader who invests, top traders only care about the profit and losses. How ?
A true trader going into a market always expect to make losses; and this is why thorough researches are always followed, alongside proper researches

While on the other hand every trader must expect profits; what is your gain as a trader if you do not prioritize profits ? i implore that you get your priorities right and always do your own research.

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What is going to happen shouldn't scare you if you end up investing for long term. Let's say you bought bitcoin right now at this price, and in the next 2 years it peaks at $20k and it bottoms at $5k and moved in between that range, if you sell at $20k that means you are not going to make more profit later on 5 years later when it peaks at $40k, but if you also sell at $5k you will not be making x4 more profit at 20k neither and actually end up losing money.

So, if you buy right now and consider the next two years only, you are not going to get the most out of your investment compared to even longer waiting. Let alone 2 years, people can't wait 2 months these days, there are tons of people who end up losing money because they see it going down and they just end up selling and running away, that is really not a smart move at all.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

In any case, you must protect your trading from complete loss of your deposit. And no matter how banal it may sound, you need to divide your deposit into 2 parts: hodl and day trading. In this case, you will simultaneously act as both an investor and a trader who will be interested in high volatility to get a profit.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

That wasn't simple. It's easy to say but we can/no one control what's going on in the market.

That's the challenge. How to overcome your market difficulties on a given trend.

Instead of thinking about that, try to adjust to whatever trend you will encounter. You won't see a professional trader whining like that.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 29, 2020, 07:40:14 PM

Anyway, I will still need to focus on my strategy and make money on this volatile market, the market will move on its own.

Forcing market can only lead to pain because the wallet will keep going down. It is good that you trade at the time you find market being easy. If you try to always be in the market because of profit this can be very risky if it begins to move wrongly against the market you trading on.

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Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

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There's no need to be upset

not everybody is in crypto only to get rich.

but there are TONS of way to profit from this market.
if you want more % gain you can try futures markets and leverage to have bigger returns on smaller price movements.

just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks.

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Quote from: jostorres on October 06, 2020, 03:07:17 AM

Volatility is something traders want, not what investors what, there is a huge difference between traders and investors because investors want long term profits in few years whereas traders want to make money in minutes if they can.

Volatility will help you make money very quickly, it will help you get rich overnight if you are good at it, put on 100x margin calls for long and see bitcoin go up from 10.5k to 12k and you are suddenly rich over night, but you can't have that in long term investment if you put money into bitcoin for future and it goes from 10.5k to 12k you make only a few percent increase which is not what you are looking for. So, while volatility would be great for one type of people it will not make a difference for the other type of person.

What it is interesting is that the volatility is for the most part controlled by traders and not investors, after all once an investor puts his money in bitcoin and he decides to hold for a few years he is not doing anything to increase or to decrease the volatility, so if anyone is mad at the low volatility that is present on the market right now he has to set his eyes on his fellow traders as they do not seem to want to take any risk on the market at the moment.

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The long term idea of bitcoin has been long gone since the 2017 peak, for the past 3-4 years people have seriously switched to just "making more fiat thanks to crypto" strategy and it really upsets me a lot, I wish that wasn't the case.

Unfortunately people forgot why bitcoin was created in the first place, it was created because financial world was ruled by few and bitcoin was created to give people some voice over their own finances, you could make as much money as you want in fiat world but the financial world will find a way to profit from that and make themselves richer, so you are never truly free in fiat, bitcoin was created to make you a lot more free. Nowadays it is all "we need volatility so we can profit", you are not profiting, you are getting poorer because even if you have more dollars, it will go down in value.

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Volatility is something traders want, not what investors what, there is a huge difference between traders and investors because investors want long term profits in few years whereas traders want to make money in minutes if they can.

Volatility will help you make money very quickly, it will help you get rich overnight if you are good at it, put on 100x margin calls for long and see bitcoin go up from 10.5k to 12k and you are suddenly rich over night, but you can't have that in long term investment if you put money into bitcoin for future and it goes from 10.5k to 12k you make only a few percent increase which is not what you are looking for. So, while volatility would be great for one type of people it will not make a difference for the other type of person.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 02, 2020, 09:37:20 AM

Damn baby you are looking for the quickest way to get a lot of money eh?

Goodluck i bet you will going nowhere but ended up with misery, yeah that high expectations are so destructive. Be more realistic and just trade slowly , compounding and so on.
The process might take a long time , but believe me the results in the end is so satisfying.

Unfortunately this is what happens to most people that are only interested in getting fast profits, getting profits itself from the markets is difficult if at that you want to add to do it really quickly then the risk that you are going to take is going to be enormous and most likely it could not be classified as trading anymore and it will be closer to a gamble, and in my particular case I am not comfortable with something like that as the chances you lose your investment are very high.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on October 05, 2020, 04:10:58 AM

If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.

Aiming for a volatile and faster bear bull may cause or may take you to a more riskier trading. Digital currency was unstable, it may give you a high profit and may also give you a high losses all was seemed to be dependent upon on how you make your trading so well that you wouldn't end up losing your investment. Patience is a virtue here in cryptocurrency, aiming for a faster and easy money was foolishness, you need to work hard to earned it here.

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