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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 12, 2021, 07:27:52 AM

Quote from: hazenyc on May 12, 2021, 06:02:37 AM

I can only agree with you and for a short moment I thought there might be a tiny chance for him bing pardoned by Trump, but if am not mistaken Trump ignored the topic to a great extent. I can only repeat myself that if he ordered murder on behalf of others that throws a dark shadow on him and his story eternally. Even though it is a moral debate ultimately, there is still a difference between running a marketplace where you can buy dope and running a marketplace where you can order a hitman to kill somebody for you. The latter isn't about freedom to me.

According to the jailed FBI agent (Shaun Bridges), he manipulated Ross Ulbricht and made him believe that one of his accomplices had stolen his funds. As per Bridges, he convinced Ulbricht to murder Curtis Clark Green. If Biridges is true, then Ulbricht made a huge mistake. But I don't know whether we can believe Shaun Bridges. He is the same person who stole half a million USD worth of BTC from the Silk Road wallet. I agree with you. If the allegation is correct, then there is absolutely no justification for that.

Aha I see, I realize I know less details than you guys here. If the guy Shaun Bridges is in jail, it wouldn't be the first time that someone like him talks shit and lies for whatever sake. For the sake of just harming someone without being able to expect anything in return. That would make it even worse if Ulbricht is going to die in jail because some faggot lied...

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on May 12, 2021, 08:09:34 AM

Agreed. Let him rot in jail where he belongs.

OK. What was his crime in the first place? Could you please explain?

For setting up an anonymous marketplace, you want a 29-year old individual to spend the rest of his life behind bars. He wasn't directly involved in drug trafficking. And as far as I know, he never promoted any drugs personally. His crime was that he went against the system. And for that offense, the judges think that he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. And for your information, the vendors who sold the greatest amount of drugs using Silk Road were Paul Howard, Peter Ward, Richard Hiley, James Ellingson and Thomas White. None of them received more than 6 years imprisonment.

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Quote from: equality7-2521 on May 07, 2021, 03:44:23 PM

Let us not forget him. Let us not forget the injustice done. Let us not forget, above all, the love of freedom!

https://freeross.org/

Ross Ulbricht is a criminal.His crimes are proven and well known.Why should we help him?
What do you mean by "injustice done"?Do you think that he should have been sentenced for a few years,instead of a double life sentence?Do you think that crimes like "money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics by means of the internet" deserve a different verdict?If yes,can you explain your thesis?
I don't understand the point of your post and I don't trust the website link,that you have posted.

The proof that you are uninformed about the case begins by not knowing the website of the respective link, but stay with your superficial conclusions.

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Quote from: zanezane on May 12, 2021, 06:28:35 AM

Why would we save someone that made the drug trafficking around the world much more available through the world via the Internet? I don't get the appeal of sympathizing with this person.

Agreed. Let him rot in jail where he belongs.

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Quote from: hazenyc on May 12, 2021, 06:02:37 AM

I can only agree with you and for a short moment I thought there might be a tiny chance for him bing pardoned by Trump, but if am not mistaken Trump ignored the topic to a great extent. I can only repeat myself that if he ordered murder on behalf of others that throws a dark shadow on him and his story eternally. Even though it is a moral debate ultimately, there is still a difference between running a marketplace where you can buy dope and running a marketplace where you can order a hitman to kill somebody for you. The latter isn't about freedom to me.

According to the jailed FBI agent (Shaun Bridges), he manipulated Ross Ulbricht and made him believe that one of his accomplices had stolen his funds. As per Bridges, he convinced Ulbricht to murder Curtis Clark Green. If Biridges is true, then Ulbricht made a huge mistake. But I don't know whether we can believe Shaun Bridges. He is the same person who stole half a million USD worth of BTC from the Silk Road wallet. I agree with you. If the allegation is correct, then there is absolutely no justification for that.

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Quote from: davis196 on May 12, 2021, 06:22:53 AM

Quote from: equality7-2521 on May 07, 2021, 03:44:23 PM

Let us not forget him. Let us not forget the injustice done. Let us not forget, above all, the love of freedom!

https://freeross.org/

Ross Ulbricht is a criminal.His crimes are proven and well known.Why should we help him?
What do you mean by "injustice done"?Do you think that he should have been sentenced for a few years,instead of a double life sentence?Do you think that crimes like "money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics by means of the internet" deserve a different verdict?If yes,can you explain your thesis?
I don't understand the point of your post and I don't trust the website link,that you have posted.

Nice words from a nice Mixer website promoter Grin

His punishment is unreal, especially by a government which currency (USD) funds most of illegal activities worldwide.

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Why would we save someone that made the drug trafficking around the world much more available through the world via the Internet? I don't get the appeal of sympathizing with this person.

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Quote from: equality7-2521 on May 07, 2021, 03:44:23 PM

Let us not forget him. Let us not forget the injustice done. Let us not forget, above all, the love of freedom!

https://freeross.org/

Ross Ulbricht is a criminal.His crimes are proven and well known.Why should we help him?
What do you mean by "injustice done"?Do you think that he should have been sentenced for a few years,instead of a double life sentence?Do you think that crimes like "money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic fraudulent identity documents, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics by means of the internet" deserve a different verdict?If yes,can you explain your thesis?
I don't understand the point of your post and I don't trust the website link,that you have posted.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 11, 2021, 09:22:31 AM

IMO, Ross Ulbricht had one final chance of walking free again. And that was when Donald Trump was pardoning various prisoners after he lost his re-election bid. But despite a lot of lobbying, Trump refused to pardon him. And that was his last chance. Because none of the presidents in the future are likely to pardon him. There was a small chance of Trump doing that, since he is not a career politician. And as you know, the court system wants to impose the maximum possible punishment upon him.

In the future, Ross Ulbricht will be remembered as a martyr who sacrificed his freedom for the freedom of others. But he will die inside the prison, without any chance of a parole. It is foolish to expect any mercy from the system, when it didn't showed any of that to people like Aaron Swartz. The message from the swamp is loud and clear - if you want to go against the system, then you will be destroyed.

I can only agree with you and for a short moment I thought there might be a tiny chance for him bing pardoned by Trump, but if am not mistaken Trump ignored the topic to a great extent. I can only repeat myself that if he ordered murder on behalf of others that throws a dark shadow on him and his story eternally. Even though it is a moral debate ultimately, there is still a difference between running a marketplace where you can buy dope and running a marketplace where you can order a hitman to kill somebody for you. The latter isn't about freedom to me.

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IMO, Ross Ulbricht had one final chance of walking free again. And that was when Donald Trump was pardoning various prisoners after he lost his re-election bid. But despite a lot of lobbying, Trump refused to pardon him. And that was his last chance. Because none of the presidents in the future are likely to pardon him. There was a small chance of Trump doing that, since he is not a career politician. And as you know, the court system wants to impose the maximum possible punishment upon him.

In the future, Ross Ulbricht will be remembered as a martyr who sacrificed his freedom for the freedom of others. But he will die inside the prison, without any chance of a parole. It is foolish to expect any mercy from the system, when it didn't showed any of that to people like Aaron Swartz. The message from the swamp is loud and clear - if you want to go against the system, then you will be destroyed.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 11, 2021, 12:16:27 AM

he did order the hit as what the documentary says. i did watch almost 5 documentaries about him and silkroad, it was a great journey we know he has great views on things. i really do think he doesn't have a personality who would kill like the bosses on the Mexican cartel. he didn't even bother to see if there was news about the death of the person he ordered the hit. i do think the sentence is too much.

just so you guys know. this is his assumed account. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/altoid-3905
he was traced base on his post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.568744 by the guy who spent time trying to google frosty and dpr.

Seriously, ordering murder even though you aren't showing any interest in the outcome afterwards does show you suffer from significant psychological deficiencies. If you ran a marketplace in the darknet, or even any marketplace, could you ever decide to facilitate an order for having some person murdered? I know I couldn't. Even if he has seemingly good and morally valuable views on other aspects of life, ordering murder on behalf of someone else is insane. It's like a priest believing in god while abusing children. We would never come to the conclusion that the priest is still a good human being after all. There is no coming back from crossing certain red lines. Ordering murder is clearly a red line in my opinion. If it was against some brutal terrorist it might be a different story, but that's a moral and philosophical discussion that does not seem to apply here.

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Quote from: equality7-2521 on May 07, 2021, 03:44:23 PM

Let us not forget him. Let us not forget the injustice done. Let us not forget, above all, the love of freedom!

https://freeross.org/

and what can people do? when governments mention national security issues, or talk about drug trafficking crime, or talk about money laundering crimes, or talk about child pornography crime then forget that someone can get rid of these charges so easily. governments take it hard when they invoke these types of crimes, unfortunately there is nothing to do, unless someone is going to hypnotize the president of the USA and other countries that he is accused of so that they will forgive him for all crimes

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 08, 2021, 04:03:44 AM

Yeah dude, remember the time that he hired someone to try and kill the people that might cause him a problem. Not to mention that Silkroad's primary product at that time were drugs, this drugs that destroys a person. Him opening the way for drug traffickers to expand their customer doesn't really ring good in my ears.

Personally, I can not find any good reason (even if there are, actually) to be an acceptable alibi when someone or the platform a person is known for is dealing anything illegal like drugs. We have to make that clear, right from the very start. Freedom is never an excuse...because with freedom comes big responsibilities. Only those people who are responsible enough are making the freedom we are all enjoying really shine...otherwise it is not freedom we are dealing with but just an illusion of it. The fact that some agents working with the government is not an excuse to make someone's crimes and mistakes go away. That is just putting one mistake with another one.

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he did order the hit as what the documentary says. i did watch almost 5 documentaries about him and silkroad, it was a great journey we know he has great views on things. i really do think he doesn't have a personality who would kill like the bosses on the Mexican cartel. he didn't even bother to see if there was news about the death of the person he ordered the hit. i do think the sentence is too much.

just so you guys know. this is his assumed account. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/altoid-3905
he was traced base on his post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.568744 by the guy who spent time trying to google frosty and dpr.

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Quote from: hazenyc on May 10, 2021, 05:12:02 PM

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Quote from: NotATether on May 08, 2021, 12:00:15 PM

Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 01:28:09 AM

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if

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really fits.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

Somewhere here: https://antilop.cc/sr/

Dude, just look at the address of the bitcoin wallet created by the FBI to retrieve the coins from Ross's computer on that same site. the address remains active today, with numerous transactions.

Is it true and are the sources publicly available that he ordered to kill people? We might underestimate in that regard and honestly if that is true, that's a no go. I didn't know he is that brutal assuming it is correct. Otherwise the penalty is insane.

You can find out everything by yourself here: https://antilop.cc/sr/#exhibit
The torchats with vj/cimon are the ones you want to look for.

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Quote from: equality7-2521 on May 10, 2021, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: NotATether on May 08, 2021, 12:00:15 PM

Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 01:28:09 AM

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if

Quote

love of freedom!

really fits.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

Somewhere here: https://antilop.cc/sr/

Dude, just look at the address of the bitcoin wallet created by the FBI to retrieve the coins from Ross's computer on that same site. the address remains active today, with numerous transactions.

Is it true and are the sources publicly available that he ordered to kill people? We might underestimate in that regard and honestly if that is true, that's a no go. I didn't know he is that brutal assuming it is correct. Otherwise the penalty is insane.

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Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 02:40:52 PM

Quote from: NotATether on May 08, 2021, 12:00:15 PM

Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 01:28:09 AM

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if

Quote

love of freedom!

really fits.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

Somewhere here: https://antilop.cc/sr/

Dude, just look at the address of the bitcoin wallet created by the FBI to retrieve the coins from Ross's computer on that same site. the address remains active today, with numerous transactions.

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Quote from: NotATether on May 08, 2021, 12:00:15 PM

Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 01:28:09 AM

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if

Quote

love of freedom!

really fits.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

Somewhere here: https://antilop.cc/sr/

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Quote from: AGD on May 08, 2021, 01:28:09 AM

You might change your mind about Ross, when you read the chatlogs from his computer. Esp. the parts where he ordered to kill various people and his reaction, when he knew about the deaths, which actually never took place, but he definitely THOUGHT he ordered to kill somebody. Not sure if

Quote

love of freedom!

really fits.

Have those chatlogs been made public in court documents? I'm not really sure how the general public found out about them if law enforcement seized/intercepted these logs but then didn't provide them as evidence.

Does anyone else find the idea of a "double life sentence" or a "life sentence + some years" nonsensical? Because the prisoner is dead by the time the first life sentence is finished.

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He was young and impulsive, so no wonder a professional agent pushed him towards trying to murder someone. I'm personally feeling sympathetic towards Ross because I don't think that running a website where adult people buy what they see fit (largely drugs), and the truly terrible stuff like child porn was NOT sold on his website. He's been in prison for too long already for something that I'm not sure deserves a prison sentence at all (not legally speaking, but morally speaking), while there are truly ridiculous cases like the Abu Ghraib prison where people were tortured, treated very inhumanely and killed, but the biggest sentence to a bunch of convicted war criminals was the main guy getting only 10 years (!) of prison and being released early after 6.5 years. So I don't see how after that, double life inprisonment + 40 years is a just sentence for Ross.

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