We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 25, 2023, 12:27:27 PM

This has to be one of the worst suggestions ever. Instead seeing satoshi being anonymous as a big Bitcoin advantage, some people actually want a whole board dedicated just for speculation who he actually is.
Smh...

We can have a thread for it but to dedicate a board for this is just not a good idea. Also, OP is a newbie so I give benefit of the doubt to him that by "Sub Forum" he meant a thread and not a "Board".
By the way, no one knows who is Satoshi, so better keep him anonymous, its good for bitcoin.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 23, 2023, 06:49:33 PM

Do not forget, Satoshi Nakamoto started, or should I say created this forum...

Satoshi didn't create the bitcointalk brand and never posted on the forum as we know it today.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on February 24, 2023, 02:06:12 AM

If you look at the OP's post history, you can see that he is very concerned about this topic.
He tells everyone about Robert Tappan Morris Jr. with enviable regularity.

It's probably Satoshi himself who controls the account and is diverting attention to Robert. Classic Satoshi, just like I remember him.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on February 24, 2023, 02:06:12 AM

He also thinks that God himself could have invented bitcoin.

That makes no sense. We all know it was the Mormons.

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This has to be one of the worst suggestions ever. Instead seeing satoshi being anonymous as a big Bitcoin advantage, some people actually want a whole board dedicated just for speculation who he actually is.
Smh...

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on February 24, 2023, 02:06:12 AM

If you look at the OP's post history, you can see that he is very concerned about this topic.
He tells everyone about Robert Tappan Morris Jr. with enviable regularity. He also thinks that God himself could have invented bitcoin.
https://ninjastic.space/post/61228412
https://ninjastic.space/post/60784308
Registration 2014 and only 9 posts, pretty weird behavior, and half of them are about who created Bitcoin. OP, why do you care so much?

Very strange indeed that he wants to have a "who is satoshi" sub-forum, so he can post all his theories and manipulate people on who is Satoshi, this is a subject that we all need to leave alone because Satoshi himself in the first place don't want to be traced and it will give newbies confusion because people will post who they think and what they think about Satoshi because they have a section created for them, some people might end up pointing to Putin as the real Nakamoto Cheesy

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If you look at the OP's post history, you can see that he is very concerned about this topic.
He tells everyone about Robert Tappan Morris Jr. with enviable regularity. He also thinks that God himself could have invented bitcoin.
https://ninjastic.space/post/61228412
https://ninjastic.space/post/60784308
Registration 2014 and only 9 posts, pretty weird behavior, and half of them are about who created Bitcoin. OP, why do you care so much?

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 23, 2023, 07:14:35 PM

This is a bit of a misconception among later arrivals here. In actuality, satoshi not only didn’t create this forum, he never posted on bitcointalk. It appears he did because his posts are here, but it wasn’t bitcointalk when he made those posts. That came later after he had already left the community.

For further clarification, he created the Bitcoin Forum, which is what this forum is actually still called. It just migrated from forum.bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org in July 2011.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110728075631/http://forum.bitcoin.org/
https://web.archive.org/web/20111006123312/https://bitcointalk.org/

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

Several threads have been opened on this forum about Satoshi Nakamoto which various users before me have mentioned in their posts. Better not to open a new thread/subthread about him. There have been many discussions and criticisms about Satoshi Nakamoto at various times, but no matter how many discussions and criticisms have been made about him, it has not been possible to find any definite information about him. Whether he is actually human or alien, whether he is alive or dead is still unknown. Craig Wright claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto, but his claim was ultimately rejected due to lack of evidence. But one thing is certain for now that Satoshi Nakamoto may not be in the public eye ever.

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread.

That topic can be pinned in Bitcoin discussion or Beginners & Help.

If a new subforum is created for it, that topic is a good sticky thread too.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 23, 2023, 06:49:33 PM

Users of this forum who have been here long enough know better than going about asking or wanting to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

Newbies will keep asking because they are late comers and if we have a sub-forum for who is Satoshi it will be abused because we cannot get the right fact on who really is Satoshi, it will lead to a lot of speculation, drama hearsay, and will confuse everybody, just leave those who claim that they are the real Satoshi Nakamoto to prove their claim elsewhere and don't drag this forum to that subject.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 23, 2023, 06:49:33 PM

Do not forget, Satoshi Nakamoto started, or should I say created this forum, it will look really absurd if the forum should now turn around and start asking who Satoshi Nakamoto is, makes absolutely no sense if you ask me.

This is a bit of a misconception among later arrivals here. In actuality, satoshi not only didn’t create this forum, he never posted on bitcointalk. It appears he did because his posts are here, but it wasn’t bitcointalk when he made those posts. That came later after he had already left the community.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 23, 2023, 06:49:33 PM

Do not forget, Satoshi Nakamoto started, or should I say created this forum, it will look really absurd if the forum should now turn around and start asking who Satoshi Nakamoto is, makes absolutely no sense if you ask me.
Mostly, those who create threads, maybe in the beginners and help or Bitcoin discussion board asking about who Satoshi Nakamoto is are all newbies, and it is also a pointer that if such a sub forum should be created, it will turn out to be an avenue for newbies shitposting.
Users of this forum who have been here long enough know better than going about asking or wanting to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

The who is Satoshi topic is one of the most used-up topics in the early days, we have passed all this and moved on, the subject is redundant and will lead to so many speculations, people will just point fingers at who they think Satoshi is based only on their perception and many idiots will come here to proclaimed themselves as Satoshi.
I remember one by the name of SatoshiMoses, I can't remember the exact username but this guy makes fun of this forum, we don't want this to happen again.

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Do not forget, Satoshi Nakamoto started, or should I say created this forum, it will look really absurd if the forum should now turn around and start asking who Satoshi Nakamoto is, makes absolutely no sense if you ask me.
Mostly, those who create threads, maybe in the beginners and help or Bitcoin discussion board asking about who Satoshi Nakamoto is are all newbies, and it is also a pointer that if such a sub forum should be created, it will turn out to be an avenue for newbies shitposting.
Users of this forum who have been here long enough know better than going about asking or wanting to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

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If the forum wants an additional subforum is it the one of "who is Satoshi" board threads? Doesn't it sound weird that the almighty btt forum has a sub-forum of people asking who is Satoshi.

There are other bigger things that btt forum would like to consider in the future when bringing upon the forum to implement but not as this one sounds childish and funny

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The only way I think something like this would be a good idea is if when you click on the subforum it's just a list of people who are NOT satoshi. Maybe another option could have it be a link to a picture of Craig Wright with big red letters across the image saying "NOT SATOSHI" which I would find hilarious. I'm sure the forum doesn't want to get sued by a psycho though, so it's probably better if instead of trying to pick apart the intentions of it's creator, we decide to just enjoy and build on the idea that was created and given to us for free.

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@OP, you are right, he is british, actually he graduated in england and had a trip to japan where he came up with the idea of bitcoin.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 02, 2022, 04:20:58 PM

Why do you think that such subforum is needed? We all know that Craig Wright is Satoshi. Ok, now seriously, this question appears on Bitcointalk sometimes, but such board isn't needed at all. You think that's Robert Tappan Morris, other people have different predictions. But what's the point of it when nobody won't be able to prove that they're right. It's just pointless speculation.

I've been reading the book of satoshi by Champagne. Starting to think he is of british origin, nz, or australian. IE: Referring to an apartment as a 'flat'.

On a tangent, where are the archives of the original [email protected]?

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 02, 2022, 02:40:48 PM

but the dude wants to be left alone/stay anonymous and we should give him that as a form of respect for what he created.

This is the same thing I've said repeatedly in different threads talking about Satoshi and wanting to unearth his identity. The dude doesn't want to be known (at least not now), and I think it should be kept that way. To be honest with you, there are times I thought to myself that the Satoshi thing could even be several individuals in a group under that name. That's there's no single individual with that Identity. BTW, this whole forum is about Satoshi and Bitcoin in the first place. It's unnecessary trying to dedicate a sub-forum to such an exercise in futility.

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This is one of those request over the forum which don't have any base and need to implement it.Do you recognise that there is new forum software and many important decisions pending by @theymos to be implemented on the forum and you are suggesting another sub forum to carry on pointless discussion about who is satoshi?

Okay what names you suggest that can be potential candidates for mystry man but those who are self proclaimed they are the scammers who will end up bad and you only need to sign message and if you can't do it how in the hell you convince others about the same? We already have hundreds of thread on forum like who is satoshi and all those baseless discussion in them and it's no need to do this so don't waste time on these discussions and keep going the same way.

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

No, we shouldn't. There is absolutely no good that could possibly come from identifying satoshi at this point. It could only be bad. Attacks on his personal character to discredit Bitcoin. Maybe using his personal political beliefs to try and splinter the community. He could be arrested for his creation. It would make him the biggest kidnapping target on the planet... Why would he want to be known at this point and if you can agree he wouldn't want to be known, then why would we go out of our why to try and identify him? Seems like a shitty way to give thanks to the person who gave life to the concept that will change the world.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 02, 2022, 02:39:42 PM

Answer 1.

(source: internet search, I don't know the original source)

Answer 2.

Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

Personally I think it could be Robert Tappan Morris Jr: Made the first internet worm - 1988.

Unless a person is willing to come out and sign a message with one of the addresses "known to be Satoshi's", nobody will take him really serious.
Writing style, background and so on.. will be probably checked afterwards.

Since Satoshi Nakatomo wants his privacy, we should give him/her that respect, let's forget a subforum for unveiling what is not lost. Who knows, he might be the guy in the picture below posted by @NeuroticFish. I've always pictured the same person in my dreams, and coincidentally his image reads 'Satoshi' among the pictures there. What a coincidence!

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Quote from: mk4 on November 03, 2022, 10:32:51 AM

(though I doubt we'd have any new sort of "proof" of who Satoshi is in the first place lol so the thread might just be dead to start with)

That's precisely the problem. With the absence of any fresh, legitimate, substantiated information, just about every topic on the subject is baseless speculation. Hardly worthy of discussion. And yet, queue the dozens of tedious, repetitive nonsense threads about it anyway. And now people asking for an entire subforum dedicated to more of the same? I despair.

//EDIT:

Prime example. Just look at this shit. Mindless, low-quality crap.

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Quote from: DooMAD on November 03, 2022, 09:46:32 AM

I'd rather see most new topics about satoshi's identity marked as 'low quality' and either locked or nuked, because they are completely redundant. A new subforum would only encourage more posting of sub-par topics and shitposts. The majority of them don't contain any worthwhile insights.

A Self-moderated thread by a mod/admin or by a reputable forum participant is probably the way to go here. Just so we have an active non-trash thread that filters out all the old redundant stuff. (though I doubt we'd have any new sort of "proof" of who Satoshi is in the first place lol so the thread might just be dead to start with)

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

According to me, "should" a word that contains emphasis. It's the same as the word "need".

Example:

Code:

you should to leave the house.
you need to leave the house.

or

Code:

you should to call the police.
you need to call the police.

You better find another idea that is more useful.

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I'd rather see most new topics about satoshi's identity marked as 'low quality' and either locked or nuked, because they are completely redundant. A new subforum would only encourage more posting of sub-par topics and shitposts. The majority of them don't contain any worthwhile insights.

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

What we really need is more forum members who will report such threads to the moderators and prevent pointless discussions, at least in the Bitcoin discussion. As for those who claim to be Satoshi, I already wrote that I would give them 24 hours to prove it, and if they fail to do so, they would be permanently banned. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with misleading someone into thinking you are someone you are not.

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

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If you are really into it that kind, just make a subreddit in Reddit. You're just going to fill in the blanks on the fields needed to start such subs.
It is at least the thing that could meet your needs if you're really into it. Invite your friends to it so you could discuss 'who is satoshi' and all those conspiracy theories you could think of.

Otherwise, there's not much option you have since that is simply just a megathread topic like mk4 mentioned.

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Unofficially, we have this one: I gathered every Satoshi Nakamoto thread.

If you see any new topics about this, please leave a link to that topic, the OP might consider to update it.

I don't see reason to have another collective topic about that or a new sub-forum / child-board (more accurately) for that.

My suggestion, if you want, you can classify collective topics into different categories such as real identity, satoshi's bitcoins, satoshi's opinion, etc.

Look at Beginners & Help Encyclopedia for more ideas. By the approach, you can rename the topic of BlackHatCoiner to "Satoshi Nakamoto-related Encylopedia"

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Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum

There is already: click

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Unnecessary. A single megathread would do.

Also, there are far better ways of spending time than hunting for Satoshi. Finding who he/she/they is/are won't do us any good in the first place (assuming we actually find out in the end).

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OP, I can probably take the liberty and speak for Theymos here and tell you to just forget it, there's not going to be any new section for that question. It's a thread topic, not something that deserves a whole section devoted to it, which would most likely turn into an offshoot of Politics & Society with conspiracy theories running rampant.

Weren't the last two sections added to the forum Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower (not including new local boards)? That was years ago, and last I checked those weren't even very popular with the group that they were intended for. My point is that I don't think Theymos is planning on adding any more new sections unless some topic is so hot that it absolutely cries out for its own.

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Many people keep creating thread about Satoshi while Satoshi himself doesn't want to expose his own personal information to public, so there's no reason for theymos to create sub forum about Satoshi. This is similar like many newbie keep creating merit fishing thread about merit or forum rule on Beginner & Help section, do we need to create sub forum specific for useless discussion? Nope, it's will lead become a spam festival.

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Why do you think such a subforum would be beneficial? It would be a bad idea in my opinion. There are already some good threads that you can check out if you want to read a bit more about Satoshi. Just follow the white rabbit.

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A "who is Satoshi"?
Look, the beauty of cryptography is decentralization. Satoshi himself, themselves, herself, itself didn't wanna be known; this reasons are partly know to deep Bitcoin researchers. .....and I said 'PARTLY'. AFAIK, there are some personal reasons to which he choosed setting up the system like what we have now; for sure, it's primarily -- the most important aspect in ensuring utmost security and surveillance -- Pseudonymity.
So I'll say a NO to that appraisal. I would really love that in place but, we'll have other peeps coming down here just to acquire a knowledge behind the whole, BIG MYSTERY -- pseudonymity. That ofcourse would need Satoshi himself to be present which, is somewhat impossible.

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It is just human nature to have a healthy curiosity about the things around us, and while this curiosity is often satisfied, sometimes it is not. That is just the way life works, and speculating on Satoshi Nakamoto isn't any different in that regard. It is true, there are a lot of threads like this. So why do you think such a sub-forum is needed? You see, there is no point in beating around the bush, Satoshi can prove who he is by signing an arbitrary message with his private key. But no one will be able to do it, and our conversation will be fruitless. Issues like this serve only to divide the community, and are not really relevant to development or issues of bitcoin at large. If you want to discuss Satoshi, just do so in general discussion. There are also some good threads you can check out if you want to read a bit more.

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You want theymos to create a subforum where spammers who are claiming to be Satoshi will concentrate and continue their spam and troll. People like bitcoinmosses and digital monk will be happy with your suggestions.

But thinking about your idea. Will Satoshi be happy with theymos if he finds out that theymos is the one championing the movement to unanonymize him in the forum he also created. Discovering who Satoshi is is not what we do here. We are all Satoshis.

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Just like this one, right? The number of kinda threads you are talking isn't that huge in compare to other topics ^{(e.g. NFT subforum topic that has been suggested more often before, but that's not the case now)} that needs to have its subforum. But for this one? Nope. It's better to stick on bitcoin discussion.

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we don't need a sub-forum that discusses speculation about satoshi's identity, craig lovers will definitely spamming on that subforum.

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Why do you think that such subforum is needed? We all know that Craig Wright is Satoshi. Ok, now seriously, this question appears on Bitcointalk sometimes, but such board isn't needed at all. You think that's Robert Tappan Morris, other people have different predictions. But what's the point of it when nobody won't be able to prove that they're right. It's just pointless speculation.

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what for? Didn't you know, Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and everyone who claims that they are Satoshi is nothing but an impostor? I've seen a lot of Satoshi Nakamoto wannabes who have come here in the forum, but I know CSW is the one and only Satoshi Nakamoto.

anyway, joking aside, I know wanting to find out who Satoshi is can be exciting but the dude wants to be left alone/stay anonymous and we should give him that as a form of respect for what he created.

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Answer 1.

(source: internet search, I don't know the original source)

Answer 2.

Quote from: nintendo1889 on November 02, 2022, 12:21:23 PM

Personally I think it could be Robert Tappan Morris Jr: Made the first internet worm - 1988.

Unless a person is willing to come out and sign a message with one of the addresses "known to be Satoshi's", nobody will take him really serious.
Writing style, background and so on.. will be probably checked afterwards.

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I don't think it would be a good idea.
Satoshi through his actions made clear he wanted to stay anonymous, if we opened such space that would not invite people to read about his ideas or the technology behind Bitcoin, but rather it would be a place specifically used to speculate and try to trace his identity/location, etc.; which is something he did not want anyone to know. There is a bunch of ill-intended people who would like have his personal data...

In my personal opinion, it would be a lack of respect to him opening such space in the very forum he created to let the world know about Bitcoin while not using his real name.

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We should have a "who is satoshi" subforum, since it comes up so often.

Personally I think it could be Robert Tappan Morris Jr: Made the first internet worm - 1988.

His dad is an NSA encryption researcher.

If stylometric analysis was possible to be done with source code, we could do it.

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