Hello, guys!
It was a good lesson for us also - not to send money first...I did not posted something here, because I did not wanted to waste time.
And I noticed that kenzawak visited this forum the last time in July and he has -13 in his reputation.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kenzawak-1082600
Topic: Weird emails and pms about a paypal transaction I never made (Read 1002 times)
It seems like the scammer suddenly wanted to take the first email address out of the equation.
do you really think so ? well , I don't.
I highly doubt that this is how scammers go about running their daily "business" , they must have planned all of this and there is not a single reason why the scammer would return 500$ and keep 1000$.
I am not totally denying the possiblity of your "theory" but on a scale of 10, i don't think it qualifies to 1 in terms of probability.
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There's no harm in iChanger reporting fraudulent activity on all 3 of the email addresses he received to PayPal.
True, however the refund part is not clear at all, the refund was either charged back real quick which makes his claim about the transfer being "Friends and Family" most likely a lie, the other possibility is that the alleged "scammer" did send him the money just like that ! which then brings us back to the question of WHY ?
I think only Ichanger can really clarify this matter.
Apparently on June 1st (I definitely wasn't in Stockholm).
The Stockholm IP address belongs to the Proton VPN service, which AFAIK is free and anybody around the world can use it. This means it mixes in the good users from the bad, and there's no way to use the IP information as a clue to identify where the hacker is located.
But then why bother post the second screenshot that shows the "refund"?
That was iChanger who took and posted the screenshot. It seems like the scammer suddenly wanted to take the first email address out of the equation.
There's no harm in iChanger reporting fraudulent activity on all 3 of the email addresses he received to PayPal.
He also threatened he could do a "chargeback" to his credit card in one of the Telegram screenshots. He should probably consider doing this (if possible) at the risk of damaging his PayPal account standing.
iChanger can also file a fraud report with their bank if they can't chargeback to their credit card (sounds like they used a credit card tho).
So the scammer suddenly became all honest and sent back the 500$ ? Or it was not sent as friends and family as he claimed and he actually got all his money back? But then why bother post the second screenshot that shows the "refund"?
I can't follow the logic !
So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)
https://prnt.sc/nx85wa shows the refund was for a purchase, so I don't think it was "Friends and family". But the latter is often used to scam people who try to avoid paying Paypal fees.A warning: "Friends and family" means exactly that, you should only use it with people you trust, and not some stranger on the internet.
The victim of scam here has said that it's possible for them to make a chargeback via credit card so I guess this is the possible solution?
So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)
And then Emmanuel sent it back?
I don't really use paypal , but i understand simple english, and the second screenshot shows that the scammer/hacker sent you back the 500$ or you were able to charge back , or ofcourse i can be totally wrong and you have another explanation.
The receive can send the money back to the sender which has happened here between Emmanuel and iChanger. It was not a chargeback. Also, it looks like iChanger sent PayPal to 3 different people.
So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)
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And then Emmanuel sent it back?
I don't really use paypal , but i understand simple english, and the second screenshot shows that the scammer/hacker sent you back the 500$ or you were able to charge back , or ofcourse i can be totally wrong and you have another explanation.
The receive can send the money back to the sender which has happened here between Emmanuel and iChanger. It was not a chargeback. Also, it looks like iChanger sent PayPal to 3 different people.
So you sent 500$ to Emmanuel as ( Friends and family)
.I'm in no way responsible for all this.
Not true, you are pretty much responsible, your terrible security measures were the main cause for the possible scam, for all i know you could have used a VPN to fake your location, manupiuated the victim and ensured not to leave any trace on forum and shifted the trade to telegram.
I am leaning towards you being framed here, i tend to believe you are not a scammer, but it is stupid for you to think that you are not responsible for this.
So if i were you i would be more polite and not call the victim stupid and all that b.s.
Perhaps there should be an option to be notified by e-mail whenever a personal message is sent, not just received.
Or any connection from an unusual "new" IP adress, ideally geo-filtered. A lot of services offer this.
For these using vpn connections or such, maybe make it an option that is opt-out.
Any connection from a new country or region could trigger a warning.
Perhaps there should be an option to be notified by e-mail whenever a personal message is sent, not just received. As we can see, a hacker can do quite a bit of damage by just sending PMs, right under the rightful account holder's nose.
Ok, in your opinion, where is the line between the "Earth" and normal?
And, of course, in my opinion
is anybody going to do 200$ without signed message.... Please....don't pull lines...
And, of course, in my opinion
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is anybody really going to do that without as much as asking for a signed message?
is anybody going to do 200$ without signed message.... Please....don't pull lines...
Honestly - I don't know. It was as much a question as a statement of disbelief. I'd like to think that anything out of character for the user in question (larger than usual deal) would be suspicious but this thread shows that it wasn't.
So the fact that I opened a bitcointalk account has exposed me to unlimited liability? That's pretty scary to me. 
Lets suppose hacker hack account and made a 50btc deal and "send first", which could have happened here. Hacked person should send nearly half million dollars in this case?
Whoa whoa... unlimited... 50 BTC... is anybody really going to do that without as much as asking for a signed message?
Back on planet Earth though, I'm with Darkstar_. If someone gets screwed due to my shitty opsec, I better be able to compensate or be labeled a scammer.
And, of course, in my opinion
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is anybody really going to do that without as much as asking for a signed message?
is anybody going to do 200$ without signed message.... Please....don't pull lines...
So the fact that I opened a bitcointalk account has exposed me to unlimited liability? That's pretty scary to me.
Lets suppose hacker hack account and made a 50btc deal and "send first", which could have happened here. Hacked person should send nearly half million dollars in this case?
Whoa whoa... unlimited... 50 BTC... is anybody really going to do that without as much as asking for a signed message?
Back on planet Earth though, I'm with Darkstar_. If someone gets screwed due to my shitty opsec, I better be able to compensate or be labeled a scammer.
Side note...
I was thinking, how does one prove that their account was hacked? I mean, it can happen to anyone, but how exactly will anyone prove that their account was hacked and they didn't scam?
I was thinking, how does one prove that their account was hacked? I mean, it can happen to anyone, but how exactly will anyone prove that their account was hacked and they didn't scam?
If they reimburse then it's not really an issue, which is why it's generally expected that people do so.
Lets suppose hacker hack account and made a 50btc deal and "send first", which could have happened here. Hacked person should send nearly half million dollars in this case?
So the fact that I opened a bitcointalk account has exposed me to unlimited liability? That's pretty scary to me.
No.
So the fact that I opened a bitcointalk account has exposed me to unlimited liability? That's pretty scary to me.
Side note...
I was thinking, how does one prove that their account was hacked? I mean, it can happen to anyone, but how exactly will anyone prove that their account was hacked and they didn't scam?
I was thinking, how does one prove that their account was hacked? I mean, it can happen to anyone, but how exactly will anyone prove that their account was hacked and they didn't scam?
If they reimburse then it's not really an issue, which is why it's generally expected that people do so.
EDIT : anyone knows how to alert Telegram about that guy @iamanubis ?
Afaik you can't report anyone on Telegram. It is part of their "guidelines". The only thing you can report a user for, is spamming.Side note...
I was thinking, how does one prove that their account was hacked? I mean, it can happen to anyone, but how exactly will anyone prove that their account was hacked and they didn't scam?
EDIT : anyone knows how to alert Telegram about that guy @iamanubis ?
Afaik you can't report anyone on Telegram. It is part of their "guidelines". The only thing you can report a user for, is spamming.
EDIT : anyone knows how to alert Telegram about that guy @iamanubis ?
Afaik you can't report anyone on Telegram. It is part of their "guidelines". The only thing you can report a user for, is spamming.
CC has fraud/loss "protection" and yes, it's ok to use it because you're paying insurance premiums via fees.
PayPal F&F payment does not have such protections. That's one of the reasons scammers want to use it. Attempting to reverse an F&F payment in this situation would likely be considered fraud.
PayPal F&F payment does not have such protections. That's one of the reasons scammers want to use it. Attempting to reverse an F&F payment in this situation would likely be considered fraud.
Point taken even if PP still takes fees on numerous occasions, for instance when you change currencies.
And regarding the CC premium, there is none in most banks in France for instance. It is included for free. So in the end the merchant is paying it with his fees. Still pretty unfair.
This is slightly offtopic, but following your logic, if you loose your credit card on the street, and someone spends 10k on it, you shouldn't get the money back from your bank's insurance company, just because it was your fault in the first place?
CC has fraud/loss "protection" and yes, it's ok to use it because you're paying insurance premiums via fees.
PayPal F&F payment does not have such protections. That's one of the reasons scammers want to use it. Attempting to reverse an F&F payment in this situation would likely be considered fraud.
I just received this pm :
I answered this :
EDIT : anyone knows how to alert Telegram about that guy @iamanubis ?
I answered this :
EDIT : anyone knows how to alert Telegram about that guy @iamanubis ?
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