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Quote from: wajik-tempe on December 16, 2019, 10:10:52 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on December 16, 2019, 09:21:53 AM

That's why its necessary to have a good stop loss and exit plan strategy once the price hits the ATH or the price range that you planned on cashing out, you should just do it and dont let a big dump wash away the profits you've made cause by the whales who are hurrying to liquidate their profits.
Especially, when in this current date a big move is coming this is really interesting times.

Yeah whales can't do anything if all the people are having a good trading strategy, placing a stop loss is always needed in crypto currency trading if we don't want to stuck in the whale's trap. Whales are getting richer because of the traders who eats their trap and FOMO in every condition but ended up loss or stuck and hold the loss coin for a long time.

All people having a good trading strategy? Nah that won't happen though, only people with a good understanding in the market or having a good technical analysis will make a sure good profit. If you are not watching the market and is careless in trading then the possibility that whales would eat your investment is very high.

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Quote from: wajik-tempe on December 16, 2019, 10:10:52 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on December 16, 2019, 09:21:53 AM

That's why its necessary to have a good stop loss and exit plan strategy once the price hits the ATH or the price range that you planned on cashing out, you should just do it and dont let a big dump wash away the profits you've made cause by the whales who are hurrying to liquidate their profits.
Especially, when in this current date a big move is coming this is really interesting times.

Yeah whales can't do anything if all the people are having a good trading strategy, placing a stop loss is always needed in crypto currency trading if we don't want to stuck in the whale's trap. Whales are getting richer because of the traders who eats their trap and FOMO in every condition but ended up loss or stuck and hold the loss coin for a long time.

We need to learn from our own mistakes as whales are just using same old tactics to earn more with a simple change as they used to dump all of a sudden by a huge margin to bring the market down in the past and used to pump the market, in the same manner, to make people invest due to FOMO and then cash out but nowadays they are dumping under the margin of $1,000 frequently which is followed by a slow gradual pump of another few hundred dollars then again they do a margin dump by doing a partial cashout. We need to fix our own margin and then trade accordingly in order to avoid losing our funds.

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Quote from: adaseb on November 23, 2019, 02:08:00 PM

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There are many cases similar to that, not only do they happen that way, in my personal experience I have realized that Bitcoin owners don't move them much, they just stay in Hodl, and what they place is an army of bots to move the market, there are many orders of 1 contract or 1usd, there are many, this is only possible through bots, however, trading for whales do it more safely, because when handling large volumes they can quickly program their movements and generate a major impact of the market, the leverage is very dangerous, especially 100x, they are the first liquidated, many times even in 10x they are liquidated, I believe that trading in Bitmex is feeling 100% adrenaline.

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Quote from: Sadlife on December 16, 2019, 09:21:53 AM

That's why its necessary to have a good stop loss and exit plan strategy once the price hits the ATH or the price range that you planned on cashing out, you should just do it and dont let a big dump wash away the profits you've made cause by the whales who are hurrying to liquidate their profits.
Especially, when in this current date a big move is coming this is really interesting times.

Yeah whales can't do anything if all the people are having a good trading strategy, placing a stop loss is always needed in crypto currency trading if we don't want to stuck in the whale's trap. Whales are getting richer because of the traders who eats their trap and FOMO in every condition but ended up loss or stuck and hold the loss coin for a long time.

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Quote from: nicolas1979 on November 24, 2019, 07:45:20 AM

They already have strategy, fund and knowledge to survive not richer than other. So far I know whales have financial circle to manage their strategy. Unfortunately we only have half and just first step not hole circle and this part should find before too late. Become everything is fine but like or not we will back to zero again, trust me.

So true, whales are prepared on what will happen. they know how it exactly works and in crypto they know that if you are 2 to 3 years experience trader and don't have efficient funds you will have big losses and whales are wiser because they have their own back up plan and funds. so we cant blame whales to become more richer. they work hard for it and fight for their losses and back again to the game and take it on control.

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That's why its necessary to have a good stop loss and exit plan strategy once the price hits the ATH or the price range that you planned on cashing out, you should just do it and dont let a big dump wash away the profits you've made cause by the whales who are hurrying to liquidate their profits.
Especially, when in this current date a big move is coming this is really interesting times.

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Quote from: Negotiation on December 13, 2019, 07:18:02 AM

It is bad and sad that whales are becoming more and more rich in using margins to trade and we are losing a large part of our profits. That is why I do not use margins when trading it is very risky The whales know that trade is high with Bitcoin so they spend more time there That is why you should be very careful when trading invitations Otherwise we may lose our money.

This is why an experience is another important when we start trading. As most everyone says maybe, the people who intend to trade should mastering the analyst and yeah it is good. But you should add your experience too or you shoul find some people experience to make you know another side in trading.

Indeed, we and the whales are same, I mean they have own right or have a profit traget when they are trading and we have as well. We can't blame anyone when we felt a lose or a huge lose because it is our risk. But at least when you know the ins and out the trading crypto you'll have a strategy to avoid many risk for sure.

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Whales getting richer while the rest of the market gets slaughtered is a question of - he who pays the piper calls the tune. The whales control the market because of their large financial muscle. One can easily make over 2btc weekly if one controls as little as 50btc through arbitration. Then imagine the extent of what anyone who holds over one thousand Bitcoin can do by merely dumping and then rebuying at a lower price.

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 15, 2019, 10:19:02 AM

Because they know what exactly they doing and having a lot of money to either manipulate the market is their advantage over to small players/investors. Though we think that is really bad but we can't blame them cause that's the way they are. If we don't want to become their prey, please don't get tempted to buy coins at hypes cause that is their plays.

what about btc, do you still buy it even though you know this coin is still the purpose of their manipulation? Margin is the most attractive option for large investors and bitmex is one of their favorite exchanges, we can choose other options such as margin in Binance, there is a slower price reaction gap there. the whale will still move freely, and always have an influence on prices.

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Quote from: MWesterweele on December 13, 2019, 07:59:30 AM

Quote from: Negotiation on December 13, 2019, 07:18:02 AM

It is bad and sad that whales are becoming more and more rich in using margins to trade and we are losing a large part of our profits. That is why I do not use margins when trading it is very risky The whales know that trade is high with Bitcoin so they spend more time there That is why you should be very careful when trading invitations Otherwise we may lose our money.

That is the mindset of the true business minded people that are gonna be rich more in future. They will invest more in different investment that they will think it will give them a lot of money soon, they are always looking forward for the future as well as the present. Whales mindset is very firm and it cannot be affected by past situations.

Because they know what exactly they doing and having a lot of money to either manipulate the market is their advantage over to small players/investors. Though we think that is really bad but we can't blame them cause that's the way they are. If we don't want to become their prey, please don't get tempted to buy coins at hypes cause that is their plays.

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Quote from: posi on November 27, 2019, 12:31:06 PM

Quote from: akram143 on November 27, 2019, 11:10:55 AM

Don't react to the sudden price changes will be the best possible solution to save ourselves from the whales manipulation.Whales are also taking risk but they got what they wanted from the traders by immediate reaction on buying or selling.

If you read what the OP said, you'll understand that this was not about reacting to the new sudden change in price of the crypto market but getting people informed about the right procedure in other not to be the whales prey.
With that been said, the current change won't save us from the whales for knowledge and simultaneous research is what we need.

This is why holders are the smartest people when it comes to bitcoins because if I have 1 bitcoin there is no possible way any shark or whale can take away from me that no matter what. But, yes for traders the big sharks can always manipulate the market create a particular panic either for sell or buy and make small traders fell into it.

The market is still very much controlled by some big people and as long as they hold more than 5-10% of circulating coins, they can easily make big waves into market and sustain that for quite sometime. More people getting in crypto means more liquidity and hence a better market.

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Quote from: error08 on December 13, 2019, 08:28:40 AM

Trading is not for everyone, in most cases, people will lose their money rather than make profits.
Aside from whales, exchanges also make big profits just by providing a place for the battle.
The best advice for newbies is, just buy bitcoin right now as much as you can, and do not spend more than you can afford to lose, save some fiat as a back-up.
Wait for a long-term, 6 months or 1 year, then in 2021, you'll see it's worth it what you've invested today.

I agree to this one well not all can be a trader and not all woll going to survive even there is a proven system as we don't know how each of this ehales in the market is playing and taking the money of some traders. In order to be able to go with them is to learn to trade it doesn't mean that we need to get pass on the whales to earn because a certain ways that we can earn by just following what they want to and when they are about to push the price.

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Trading is not for everyone, in most cases, people will lose their money rather than make profits.
Aside from whales, exchanges also make big profits just by providing a place for the battle.
The best advice for newbies is, just buy bitcoin right now as much as you can, and do not spend more than you can afford to lose, save some fiat as a back-up.
Wait for a long-term, 6 months or 1 year, then in 2021, you'll see it's worth it what you've invested today.

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Quote from: Negotiation on December 13, 2019, 07:18:02 AM

It is bad and sad that whales are becoming more and more rich in using margins to trade and we are losing a large part of our profits. That is why I do not use margins when trading it is very risky The whales know that trade is high with Bitcoin so they spend more time there That is why you should be very careful when trading invitations Otherwise we may lose our money.

That is the mindset of the true business minded people that are gonna be rich more in future. They will invest more in different investment that they will think it will give them a lot of money soon, they are always looking forward for the future as well as the present. Whales mindset is very firm and it cannot be affected by past situations.

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It is bad and sad that whales are becoming more and more rich in using margins to trade and we are losing a large part of our profits. That is why I do not use margins when trading it is very risky The whales know that trade is high with Bitcoin so they spend more time there That is why you should be very careful when trading invitations Otherwise we may lose our money.

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Quote from: hv_ on December 13, 2019, 05:56:00 AM

Not all see the connections

but whales have entered into btc and other crypto very early

into their governance - protocol and eco-systems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dW549Ohkxo

It's not just that. You can take playing poker for example, Stack bullies have an easier time winning hands compared to others since they can bet bigger amounts, hence better returns. That's the advantage of trading or investing an amount you can afford to lose. No pressure. If they lose at a certain point, they can easily cover the loss and get it back since they have more than enough asset at their disposal. Sadly, that can't be said for normal people like us who'll have trouble shrugging off and recovering a big loss.

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Not all see the connections

but whales have entered into btc and other crypto very early

into their governance - protocol and eco-systems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dW549Ohkxo

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There is nothing wrong with margin trading itself... Nobody said your position has to be substantial. Use margin, be smart with sizing and profit. There is no obligation to go x100 for big chunks of your moneyz

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I personally have never used margin in trading. in my opinion it is too risky, I prefer trading in general. because trading knowledge is minimal in margins. yes, at least we can analyze the movements made by whales, so we don't lose our BTC. because whales only take BTC in those who have high panic and fomo.

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I don't margin trade yet but I'm learning to. I really hope I get good at it before prices start to rally. It is a great way to earn BTC but you can easily lose it too if you don't know what you're doing.

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