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May 19, 2023, 01:25:06 PM
#74

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.


Government cannot censor the Bitcoin network because it is decentralized and there is no base of operation where they can barge in and confiscate everything and imprison people who are on the vicinity.  But Government has the power to ban Bitcoin and implement law that can arrest people who are engaging with Bitcoin trading.  That is the sad reality. Government still has the authority in its jurisdiction.  Besides, the government can control the centralized exchanges where most people are trading Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

Our freedom with Bitcoin is limited within the Bitcoin Network, when it pass through centralized exchanges to convert it to cash or trade it to other cryptocurrency, the freedom is compromised because centralized exchanges are subject to government regulation.


So far, it can be said that the government has completely failed to stop or control the bitcoin network. But they still have many ways to make it difficult for us to use bitcoin without their permission. Honestly, we will never escape their control, they will have a lot of ways to manage us. Bitcoin can only give us partial freedom, it cannot bring us complete freedom as many people are still dreaming of.

Many years ago, my country completely banned bitcoin, using bitcoin was very difficult even many people were arrested and fined when found using bitcoin. It can be said that with such use of evasion, it cannot be called freedom.
There is no total freedom in this world since we still need to deal with restrictions which in fact can be beneficial if used properly. Traditionally speaking, once the government says that it is harmful, they are only weighing the pros and cons about things, but mostly it is not that they are totally banning everything and they'd become a dictator, coz what actually they are trying to convey is to warn us about the cons, and as you've said they have more ways to control over the usage of cryptocurrency if they wanted to, such as banning it. It's just that most people generally consider it as bad just because someone opposed the idea or just giving us warning about what might happen.
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May 19, 2023, 09:56:33 AM
#73

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.


Government cannot censor the Bitcoin network because it is decentralized and there is no base of operation where they can barge in and confiscate everything and imprison people who are on the vicinity.  But Government has the power to ban Bitcoin and implement law that can arrest people who are engaging with Bitcoin trading.  That is the sad reality. Government still has the authority in its jurisdiction.  Besides, the government can control the centralized exchanges where most people are trading Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

Our freedom with Bitcoin is limited within the Bitcoin Network, when it pass through centralized exchanges to convert it to cash or trade it to other cryptocurrency, the freedom is compromised because centralized exchanges are subject to government regulation.


So far, it can be said that the government has completely failed to stop or control the bitcoin network. But they still have many ways to make it difficult for us to use bitcoin without their permission. Honestly, we will never escape their control, they will have a lot of ways to manage us. Bitcoin can only give us partial freedom, it cannot bring us complete freedom as many people are still dreaming of.

Many years ago, my country completely banned bitcoin, using bitcoin was very difficult even many people were arrested and fined when found using bitcoin. It can be said that with such use of evasion, it cannot be called freedom.
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May 19, 2023, 09:50:12 AM
#72
Having people clamouring unto the government for there safety isn't exactly a bad thing. Besides, you operate in a jurisdiction and this jurisdiction is guided by certain laws and regulations that ensures the orderliness of things.

The bad news is, having so much trust in a system, believing that this is one way to be right always and that the government would do you right always is some way to leave all your reasoning to the government and when they ride on you, you don't even get to notice. That's just how bad it is.

People needs to make use of there brains or have it used for them by someone else or a group even.
The government system isn't wrong but what actually turns like it was difficult to understand is these people who implement the rules and abuse their power. People are relying on the government as they believe that would help us to grow and improve our living but unfortunately, these powerful people that are in the position ruin it makes us not trust them anymore. Because if we just keep following them, nothing will happen to us but just a puppet to them, and the more the become powerful.
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May 19, 2023, 07:22:50 AM
#71

It has been years that I stopped watching daily news and yeah never read news papers for many years now and that is the reason why.
like what you said , some of us that people are still living with government stand and what they tell them to believe.

This is a shame to those who has this attitude till now when they can forget about the government because internet is open and we read and find everything that we need to understand.

But of course better not to believe in everything , check and dig deep before following what internet says.

In my opinion, if the government takes a wrong decision that is causing harm to the people, then it should be protested. No government can implement policies to the detriment of its people. Every government thinks of the benefit of its people. If the government anywhere feels that this thing is not in the interest of their people and it can harm their people, then they make laws to protect their citizens. Obeying the laws of the state is mandatory for every citizen, but the condition is that the state takes care of the legitimate rights of its people and the people are also happy with their state.

But if the state cannot give basic rights to its people and impose new restrictions on them every day, then one should not be bound by anything of such a state.
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May 17, 2023, 11:03:14 PM
#70
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

It has been years that I stopped watching daily news and yeah never read news papers for many years now and that is the reason why.
like what you said , some of us that people are still living with government stand and what they tell them to believe.

This is a shame to those who has this attitude till now when they can forget about the government because internet is open and we read and find everything that we need to understand.

But of course better not to believe in everything , check and dig deep before following what internet says.
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May 17, 2023, 10:51:55 PM
#69
Government cannot censor the Bitcoin network because it is decentralized and there is no base of operation where they can barge in and confiscate everything and imprison people who are on the vicinity.  But Government has the power to ban Bitcoin and implement law that can arrest people who are engaging with Bitcoin trading.  That is the sad reality. Government still has the authority in its jurisdiction.  Besides, the government can control the centralized exchanges where most people are trading Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

Our freedom with Bitcoin is limited within the Bitcoin Network, when it pass through centralized exchanges to convert it to cash or trade it to other cryptocurrency, the freedom is compromised because centralized exchanges are subject to government regulation.
True, but even then their power still has limits, for decades governments have been fighting against the illegal downloading of copyrighted content, yet this practice is widespread all over the world, and while once in a while there are cases which make the news about a person being charged millions of dollars because of their downloads, we can say the majority of those people get away with it.

So I doubt the governments are going to have the resources to try to identify and arrest every single person using bitcoin within their territory if they decided to make it illegal.

But if the government bans it, we will also face many difficulties in using bitcoin, and the risk of detection will be very heavy. They can't ban bitcoin outright, but we don't feel comfortable using bitcoin either. And the one who suffers the most is still us, not them. Going against the government has never yielded good results, so I hope the government never completely bans bitcoin.
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May 17, 2023, 10:32:58 PM
#68
Well I don't think people really know what the law implies about bitcoin  in my country, and what the government  of my country was trying to saying is that, transacting with bitcoin  isn't  bad, but anyone doing so, should be doing so at their absolute  risk and have no right to report such cases as related  to bitcoin  and cryptocurrency at large if things go wrong.

I don't blame the lecturer if he thinks so of bitcoin  bit the truth  is that seeing is believing  and the lecturer  might not believe  in the system except if his shown how it works and I believe  one of the reasons that made your own father believed in it was because you were closer to him and he could see the improvements on your life through bitcoin.

I believe  the lecturers son isn't a child anyone, and should be old enough to make decisions for his future and hence this is when he needs you more and you shouldn't get discouraged  because of his father and you should try as much as possible  to help the poor make wise decisions  now that he can rather than  making regrets tomorrow.

If our school system is built to teach citizens to be part of the military, we'd all be warriors invading countries nearby. But we're not.

They don't really need to start teaching Bitcoin at such early age. They could start with money first.
The entire school system is built entirely for people to become a worker/employees of big businesses. But when school teaches how money works and finance works, they may not find employees anymore. They'd get out of that rat race and work for their own and become a trader themselves. This will have some effect in the future though. Its why students should have choices.

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May 17, 2023, 10:17:58 PM
#67
Government cannot censor the Bitcoin network because it is decentralized and there is no base of operation where they can barge in and confiscate everything and imprison people who are on the vicinity.  But Government has the power to ban Bitcoin and implement law that can arrest people who are engaging with Bitcoin trading.  That is the sad reality. Government still has the authority in its jurisdiction.  Besides, the government can control the centralized exchanges where most people are trading Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

Our freedom with Bitcoin is limited within the Bitcoin Network, when it pass through centralized exchanges to convert it to cash or trade it to other cryptocurrency, the freedom is compromised because centralized exchanges are subject to government regulation.
True, but even then their power still has limits, for decades governments have been fighting against the illegal downloading of copyrighted content, yet this practice is widespread all over the world, and while once in a while there are cases which make the news about a person being charged millions of dollars because of their downloads, we can say the majority of those people get away with it.

So I doubt the governments are going to have the resources to try to identify and arrest every single person using bitcoin within their territory if they decided to make it illegal.
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May 17, 2023, 08:31:35 PM
#66
Well I don't think people really know what the law implies about bitcoin  in my country, and what the government  of my country was trying to saying is that, transacting with bitcoin  isn't  bad, but anyone doing so, should be doing so at their absolute  risk and have no right to report such cases as related  to bitcoin  and cryptocurrency at large if things go wrong.

I don't blame the lecturer if he thinks so of bitcoin  bit the truth  is that seeing is believing  and the lecturer  might not believe  in the system except if his shown how it works and I believe  one of the reasons that made your own father believed in it was because you were closer to him and he could see the improvements on your life through bitcoin.

I believe  the lecturers son isn't a child anyone, and should be old enough to make decisions for his future and hence this is when he needs you more and you shouldn't get discouraged  because of his father and you should try as much as possible  to help the poor make wise decisions  now that he can rather than  making regrets tomorrow.
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May 17, 2023, 10:53:04 AM
#65

I read some comments and I am disappointed, many people are just buying Bitcoin but they don't understand that Bitcoin gives power to the people through decentralization, for the first time in history the government is unable to be in total control of something, that's Bitcoin.


Government cannot censor the Bitcoin network because it is decentralized and there is no base of operation where they can barge in and confiscate everything and imprison people who are on the vicinity.  But Government has the power to ban Bitcoin and implement law that can arrest people who are engaging with Bitcoin trading.  That is the sad reality. Government still has the authority in its jurisdiction.  Besides, the government can control the centralized exchanges where most people are trading Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

Our freedom with Bitcoin is limited within the Bitcoin Network, when it pass through centralized exchanges to convert it to cash or trade it to other cryptocurrency, the freedom is compromised because centralized exchanges are subject to government regulation.



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May 16, 2023, 06:40:26 PM
#64
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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.
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Not sure what his dad told him wrong. His dad was right. The government controls the finances of the country. It is the government of that country that can decided which currency is going to be a legal tender and which is not. His dad never discouraged him to use bitcoin. So I don't know why his son would loose interest in Bitcoin. As long as bitcoin is legal to use in their country, it is fine to invest and use it. Most of the country hasn't made bitcoin a legal tender, yet they all still use it as a currency without any issue. If you spent "tow hours" lecturing students about Bitcoin and blockchain, then there isn't anything to worry about since I am sure you already explained to them what a legal tender is and why they can still use bitcoin even if it isn't a legal tender.
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May 16, 2023, 05:57:05 PM
#63
Having people clamouring unto the government for there safety isn't exactly a bad thing. Besides, you operate in a jurisdiction and this jurisdiction is guided by certain laws and regulations that ensures the orderliness of things.

The bad news is, having so much trust in a system, believing that this is one way to be right always and that the government would do you right always is some way to leave all your reasoning to the government and when they ride on you, you don't even get to notice. That's just how bad it is.

People needs to make use of there brains or have it used for them by someone else or a group even.

If the government cares for the people;
Provides for the people in terms of employment and social needs;
If government upholds the right of the citizens;
If the government secures lives and properties of her citizens;
There is no harm to believe the government.
It is when the wrong people enters power and abuse it that makes people lose confidence in the government.
Assuming government has a way to fight inflation, a high rank government worker, who has government retirement plans and running businesses, will the person have any need for bitcoin?
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May 16, 2023, 05:50:12 PM
#62
Having people clamouring unto the government for there safety isn't exactly a bad thing. Besides, you operate in a jurisdiction and this jurisdiction is guided by certain laws and regulations that ensures the orderliness of things.

The bad news is, having so much trust in a system, believing that this is one way to be right always and that the government would do you right always is some way to leave all your reasoning to the government and when they ride on you, you don't even get to notice. That's just how bad it is.

People needs to make use of there brains or have it used for them by someone else or a group even.
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May 16, 2023, 05:42:27 PM
#61
As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
Not every lecturers are open minded regards technology and innovation. Many lecturers (although I can't assure if it's the case here) are on confortable social and financial positions on their local communities that they become blind to the issues most people are facing and struggling, because their personal lives are nearly to perfection considering their personal needs.

Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.

i don't blame them, I mean, in their position, they are living a life where they are content with what they have and don't need to change anything.  if you live the life you want, have a house, a car, and a high income… your life is perfect, then you have no reason to change it. We should not blame anyone because everyone has a different perspective and way of looking at life.  we look to bitcoin because we are looking for wealth, while many people don't need it because they already have it.
You got it right!

If people do reach out the pinnacle of success then they wouldnt really be bothering on involving into other things but rather would be sticking into something which we know that its part of their success.
They wouldnt really be that open into some new ideas and innovation which is something that its really inevitable.There are really just that people who are really that having that close minded
approach on something new that they would be hearing off.

On the time that they would be seeing or hearing it and make out some direct conclusions that it is a scam or something a fraud then there's nothing we could blame them since its their mindset and believe.
Once they would be changing up their minds, they would really be approaching you and would be asking  further questions but of course most of these type of people would make their
own research and would be verifying for themselves on what it is.
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May 16, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
#60
As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
Not every lecturers are open minded regards technology and innovation. Many lecturers (although I can't assure if it's the case here) are on confortable social and financial positions on their local communities that they become blind to the issues most people are facing and struggling, because their personal lives are nearly to perfection considering their personal needs.

Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.

i don't blame them, I mean, in their position, they are living a life where they are content with what they have and don't need to change anything.  if you live the life you want, have a house, a car, and a high income… your life is perfect, then you have no reason to change it. We should not blame anyone because everyone has a different perspective and way of looking at life.  we look to bitcoin because we are looking for wealth, while many people don't need it because they already have it.
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May 16, 2023, 05:12:35 PM
#59
Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.
Changes always takes time and so called gurus or influencers try to stop the changes. There is a big ego behind that, those people don't want people to follow the change or embrace it, they want people to follow them and their old way. Thats why don't follow others blindly, do your own research.
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May 16, 2023, 04:54:52 PM
#58
Well, it is regrettable how too many people are brainwashed by governments. They literally follow all rules and laws even when you are unrealistic and unfair. That’s the consequence of fear, fear of punishment. And to be honest, you have made the right decision OP. You wanted to help your students and show them the importance of Bitcoin and Blockchain in this era. Regarding the governments and how they imposing their power to citizens, it is literally out of your control and there is no need to over stress yourself. Fortunately, in last few years we have seen some countries who started accepting Bitcoin as a legal coin such as, El Salvador. Also, the rate of crypto users is progressing rapidly. Probably, more countries will recognize Crypto in the near future. Let’s be optimistic.
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May 16, 2023, 11:04:10 AM
#57
As a lecturer he should believe in whatever he believes in, but stopping his son from learning about Bitcoin is wrong, as a lecturer what makes him believe that he will always be right? We were taught in school that knowledge is power and this one is stopping people from achieving knowledge.
Not every lecturers are open minded regards technology and innovation. Many lecturers (although I can't assure if it's the case here) are on confortable social and financial positions on their local communities that they become blind to the issues most people are facing and struggling, because their personal lives are nearly to perfection considering their personal needs.

Therefore, any hypothesis of changes are immediately rejected by these individuals, since they could mean potential threats to their currently way of life.
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May 16, 2023, 08:59:54 AM
#56
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.


Some agreement can be made with the given discussion and disagreements are always formed. In a todays era, it is not appropriate that if the government says ok, then that thing is right and if says no, then it should not be adopted. As far as old fashioned things and business methods are concerned, that time was different, but today’s requirements have brought a lot of innovations and advancements. So we have to try to leave the traditional business to internet. Expand your business to the world and create new ways to empower the younger generation.

Being a lecturer, teacher or any motivational speaker, it’s the responsibility to teach our young’s about trading techniques and also ways whom they may connect upon their choice (Especially for the BITCOIN).

Amongst the other business of trading, Bitcoin, as a decentralized digital currency, has the potential to impact political stability in various ways. However, it's important to note that the relationship between Bitcoin and political stability is complex, and the effects can be both positive and negative. Bitcoin allows individuals to have control over their funds without relying on traditional financial institutions or governments. Bitcoin has the potential to promote financial inclusion by providing access to financial services to individuals who are unbanked or under banked. Bitcoin makes it difficult for governments to control or censor transactions.
Bitcoin can provide a means for individuals to conduct transactions privately and securely, potentially challenging the government's control over financial systems. It's important to note that while Bitcoin has the potential to influence political stability, it is just one factor among many, because in the world we are living in, and in the future, all traders will be able to complete their planes in the digital world and in accordance with the procedures related to chain management.
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May 09, 2023, 03:09:52 AM
#55
What is shame here? There is nothing wrong with saying that the government decides everything. Can you fight them? If your country banned bitcoin, would you dare to tell people that you are using bitcoin? Like it or not, government is the most powerful agency and they decide everything in this world, against them is not a good idea.
I don't want to be right and that's not what I am replying to your point, you did have one here, the lecturer is right but Bitcoin is not under any restriction in my country, it was banned years ago but not anymore.

I am surprised that this lecturer is now telling his son not to get involved with Bitcoin that's it's not money and it's illegal, as a lecturer I expected him to be open and explore more, there is no end to knowledge.

If my own father was against Bitcoin years ago and he somehow forbids me not to trade or hold Bitcoin my Life would have been way worse than it is right now. I do not believe that this man is saying this because he lacks the knowledge, I believe he is saying this because he doesn't want to believe that something could work without government intervention.

You just have to understand that, once someone doesn't like something, even if it's legal, it's highly valuable, they'll still hate it and talk bad about it. And you won't be able to change their mind, simply because they don't like it, not because they lack understanding. What he told his children is not true but that is his view on bitcoin.

But honestly, I'm not worried about that boy, the kids are curious and love to explore. He'll be looking for bitcoin more when his dad says so because there's no way bad things can spread and become more common every day. The paper does not wrap fire, truth is truth, I believe that boy will soon find out the truth about bitcoin.
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