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legendary
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May 07, 2023, 05:06:09 PM
#34
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

Well, the government governs so many people believe that government is here for the people's benefits and good so we cannot blame others to think that way.  Besides, only rebellious people will think otherwise.

Am not surprised about the ignorance of the lecturer and his son. It has been the father who always shows the son the right way, hence I see no wrong in the son believing what his father said.
Where he would have to appreciate the free Bitcoin lecture you gave, is if in the future he needs to complete a transaction or trade across border and he is faced with huge tax charges from fiat banks. He would also understand your bid when he doesn't get a job after graduation and is forced to fend for himself.
He would also understand what you are trying to do now, if a younger one of his earns majorly from it and is doing fine.
Leave people be with their understanding, when the time comes for them to learn about same Bitcoin, I hope they would be able to afford it or grasp the concept or find someone who wouldn't charge them for the knowledge.

Bitcoin is illegal in some country,and others haven't put any stand and put Bitcoin in a gray area.   I think it is not ignorance on the part of the lecturer but rather basing his belief on the standpoint of the governmnet about Bitcoin.  Not because we believe in BTC we are more knowledgeable than them... that is a huge fallacy IMO.
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May 07, 2023, 05:02:58 PM
#33
One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

Well, what do you expect? People choose what they believe and whom they believe. to some people, it's just what the government says that is so valid to them, but when a common man speaks to them about something, they take it so unserious, not to mention that Bitcoin is not a force; it's left for any individual to decide what they want and go for it. It's just like when a baby is born, their parents can make decisions for them, but it will get to a stage in their life when they have to choose their part and make decisions for themselves. At a very mature age, parents are not even the ones who asked their children to go and marry; they make those choices themselves, so allow it to pass. It's not a shame to me; it's just what humans choose to believe they will believe. I have seen a situation where someone has all the evidence to believe that something is true, but they don't just want to agree to it, probably because it's not coming from whom they expect to hear it from.
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May 07, 2023, 04:19:12 PM
#32
Am not surprised about the ignorance of the lecturer and his son. It has been the father who always shows the son the right way, hence I see no wrong in the son believing what his father said.
Where he would have to appreciate the free Bitcoin lecture you gave, is if in the future he needs to complete a transaction or trade across border and he is faced with huge tax charges from fiat banks. He would also understand your bid when he doesn't get a job after graduation and is forced to fend for himself.
He would also understand what you are trying to do now, if a younger one of his earns majorly from it and is doing fine.
Leave people be with their understanding, when the time comes for them to learn about same Bitcoin, I hope they would be able to afford it or grasp the concept or find someone who wouldn't charge them for the knowledge.
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May 07, 2023, 04:09:13 PM
#31

They are students, somehow they are limited to what was being told to them. We are being told to obey all the time from parents, school teachers down to the churches. It must takes more than just a discussion of what government approved and what they don't before students understand their freedom to chose.

I think the discussion should start from the kinds of money that tribes have in different part of the world. The communities just agree which is money like seashells or the  Pacific island people who agreed stone money known as “Rai” as their currency.

With this in mind, I think they will also see that anything can be a money as long as people agrees its valuable.
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May 07, 2023, 03:58:02 PM
#30
I wonder why some people are still relying on government to do some settings things as for for me I will never rely on the government, I will be be self employed, I don't want government to buy my time, the time when I suppose to use for other things like investments, Bitcoin other cryptocurrencies to make life easier for me, I will use it in government work to suffer, what if the government is paying you forty thousand a month calculate how much is your daily salary. Bitcoin will be come legal tender in the future.

OP you didn't state the position of the government of your nation concerning bitcoin. If Bitcoin is restricted or banned in your country, then the lecturer is correct. You are to respect the law of your country be it favorable or unfavorable. If the government of your country bans bitcoin you have no other option than to obey the law or leave to another country. Disobeying the law of the land can attract severe sanctions which could include jail term. I don't think it is a shame to obey the government.

But we should also understand that when we have the freedom to choose between economic choices, then we should make our own decisions based on our research or experience. In my country, the government encourages its citizen not to engage in any cryptocurrency transaction, but Bitcoin and other coins are not banned. It is now up to the citizens to decide if they will take the government's advice or not. For me, I chose to neglect their advice because I believe in Bitcoin.
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May 07, 2023, 03:50:14 PM
#29
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If something is not clear or doesn't make sense, we should look for answers and not make a blind determination on it, your action can have an impact on someone's else.
I'm getting where you're coming from. After a hearty lecture like that you'd hope that every student that listened to you as well as their parents that listened to them talk about your lecture would be as accepting and receptive of what you're trying to sell. Sadly that doesn't work. You can't convince people by calling them a dick (or being angry at them because they don't wanna listen to you). In my honest opinion, the dad's correct. In legal manners only the central government could really decide whether a currency is legal and allowed to operate within their territories or not. Granted there will always be lengthy discussion about this but that's besides the point, the government has all the legal powers to tell the people which is right and which is wrong. Ever wondered why the US government was so confident about cracking down on bitcoin in the first place?
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May 07, 2023, 03:41:33 PM
#28
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.
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One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

This is what's known as a doctrine. And if you're aware, the most adept purveyors of fake news are actually the government themselves. They have the advantage of access to the national media that they control, which easily allows them to steer the public towards statements that may still be in doubt of their truthfulness by the government. Major news portals that are part of the government ecosystem, and thus beneficial to the government, will receive permission and funding. Meanwhile, news portals that oppose the government will be silenced.

The issue with Bitcoin will only be met with resistance from fiat and banking industries. Established centralized companies that have been around for some time and mutually beneficial for the government will quell the threat of Bitcoin from the very beginning. This is what makes Bitcoin have enemies in its quest to become a mainstream digital currency among the wider public.

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May 07, 2023, 03:39:56 PM
#27

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

I am surprised why you are seeing it as a shame. There is nothing shameful here and the lecturer is 100% correct based on the context and information given him.

You cannot go print paper in your country and begin ask people to use it as a currency, will it be possible? No!
That is exactly what the lecturer meant. The currency is a legal tender and it is only the government who determines what is a legal tender or not.
So, for someone who doesn't have rooted information about bitcoin to make such a statement, he should be applauded as a learned man instead of criticising him and seeing him as being naive.
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May 07, 2023, 03:25:31 PM
#26
I wonder why some people are still relying on government to do some settings things as for for me I will never rely on the government, I will be be self employed, I don't want government to buy my time, the time when I suppose to use for other things like investments, Bitcoin other cryptocurrencies to make life easier for me, I will use it in government work to suffer, what if the government is paying you forty thousand a month calculate how much is your daily salary. Bitcoin will be come legal tender in the future.
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May 07, 2023, 03:04:34 PM
#25
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.
We will be surprised by the level of how some people rely on the government's negative statements about something that's good and the sad thing about it is that the people are not the only ones guilty of this because some cryptocurrency exchanges are somehow the slave of government which Coinbase was one until now that they are going against the same SEC after Kraken made a solid decision.

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May 07, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
#24
It's a shame that people are still living their lives, saying, if the government says that something is bad then it is bad, government decides what's good and what's bad for it's people.

This is what I get from a lecturer of a university in my country, I was trying to teach some students about Bitcoin and crypto, I was forced to even do it because I have been busy with my business for the past one month now, a good year this 2023 has been for my business, but these students have been calling me to come and give them some lectures about Bitcoin so I did this yesterday.

One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.

I don't know if this will impact the other students too because they are all from the same school but I do hope I've not wasted my energy, I spent 2 hours talking about Bitcoin and the Blockchain.

If something is not clear or doesn't make sense, we should look for answers and not make a blind determination on it, your action can have an impact on someone's else.

I think what your student's father said is true that the government has the right and authority to determine their own currency, and indeed the only one who has that rights, regardless of freedom, as the people has its own limits as the beneficiaries of autonomy in the state.
I didn't mean to speak ugly about Bitcoin, but I need to affirm that what the student's father said was true as the procedural agreed upon.
Unless there are no laws that legally determine the currency, it will be mentioned that the community is free to determine its currency.
I don't think you need to complain about what you have done, that's the choice you have made and maybe this is one of the obstacles that you need to face in introducing bitcoin as a currency in your country, if it seems that people are affected then the possibility is you Bending from currency to alternative investments and you can continue.
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May 07, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
#23
What is shame here? There is nothing wrong with saying that the government decides everything. Can you fight them? If your country banned bitcoin, would you dare to tell people that you are using bitcoin? Like it or not, government is the most powerful agency and they decide everything in this world, against them is not a good idea.
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May 07, 2023, 08:47:04 AM
#22
I guess it's not always bad when people are told what to do. But you always can decide what is best for you
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May 07, 2023, 08:17:41 AM
#21
Actually what the man (the guy’s father) said is true, the federal government hold the exclusive right to decide which currency its nation should use or trade

Currently, the use of cryptos was banned since 2021 and no one can do anything about it

As a matter of fact, if you receive any alert with a crypto related word as description, your account will be blocked, if you go to the bank to complain, you’ll be arrested

However, most people still try to learn and use cryptos but it must be without the knowledge of any government entity.

You shouldn't also feel like you wasted your time because, not everyone is permitted to benefit from your wealth of knowledge, does that can will.
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May 07, 2023, 08:08:48 AM
#20
One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.


I am of the opinion that the lecturer who gave this opinion was not entirely wrong, because indeed the government has the authority to determine the legal currency for transactions in that country. The authority of the government in each of these countries absolutely must be carried out by every community, but even though these rules are absolute, it does not mean that people cannot invest in Bitcoin. If you only invest in bitcoin, that's fine, as long as there are no rules that absolutely prohibit bitcoin. I think most governments have made currency from scratch and made the currency legal to be used as a transaction tool. So the conclusion is clear, that indeed the government has the authority for this matter, and this authority is absolute. And don't let it become an obstacle for your students to start investing in bitcoin, because these rules have no effect on bitcoin, because bitcoin is universal and is a very valuable asset.
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May 07, 2023, 07:39:20 AM
#19
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How would you like it to be? In my opinion, it can't be otherwise.

Any system is trying to control its population and for this brainwashing through the institution of education. Lecturers, for the most part, like parrots, repeat the same material learned many years ago and often reject everything new. Therefore, it is not surprising that the lecturer believes that only the government knows what is good and what is bad for him. With age, people have less and less desire to change anything, and only young people (students) are ready to learn something new.

This is why I believe that it is necessary to tell the younger generation (students) about bitcoin and not the old one (lecturer), who are so ossified in their beliefs that they are not ready to consider alternative versions.
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May 07, 2023, 07:30:46 AM
#18
Maybe that kid’s father is working for the government and that’s the reason he is a fan of the government… We can’t exactly know his reasoning. In the end there are people that like the governments as well. Not everyone is as rebellious as the bitcoiners. Some people just want to be sheep. Baaa baa. And you know what? They are actually more than you think. They are the reason why governments and banks are still around. These people need them.
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May 07, 2023, 07:28:17 AM
#17
The government has that power to decide what currency they would let the people in their nation to use. That's why not everyone can make their own currency (paper money) for others to be used as legal. Bitcoin on the other hand is different. Since you've only mentioned about the lecturer saying that the government is the only one who can decide if the currency is fit to people. I'm not sure if the lecturer is against Bitcoin or not. Cause saying that doesn't mean he's against Bitcoin, I feel like he's just telling what he know about the government and the currency. And maybe the father isn't just that knowledgeable about Bitcoin but if the father isn't against it, then I don't think it'll affect his son's interest on Bitcoin. The son can still continue learning more about Bitcoin and it's up to him to decide if he wants to enter this space or not.
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May 07, 2023, 07:16:10 AM
#16
One of the students have a father that's a lecturer and after I got home this student told me that his father said that the government is the only thing that can decide if a currency is fit to be people's currency or not, if the government says no then it's a no, coming from a lecturer this is so sad.

His son have an interest in Bitcoin and now it's left for him to make a choice, I am only surprised how a lecturer can be this dense, something that should be coming from an illiterate.
You are wrong in this concept of yours, and the boy's father (lecturer) was correct because only the government of a nation has the right to decide what can be accepted as a general currency, of which though Bitcoin is a digital currency it's not of any nation. However, Bitcoin came as an independent global currency that could be used as a store of value and transaction, of which Although lecturers or professors still don't believe in it doesn't mean it's not legit, and used as a store and transactions from people all around the world.

So what we are to note is that;

1. Only the government of a nation has the right to decide what can be accepted as a general currency.
2. That people don't believe in Bitcoin doesn't mean it's not legit and been used as a digital asset for future store of value.
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May 07, 2023, 07:11:51 AM
#15
Honestly, it's hard to argue with that because we live in a world with governments. If we want to enjoy using bitcoin based on its main purpose, which is decentralization, we can't expect it to happen because government intervention would make that decentralization centralized.

The government will decide whether to regulate bitcoin or not, and if they choose not to regulate it, that means it's banned or illegal.

If you want bitcoin to exist without government interference, it won't prosper, and mass adoption won't happen, which will likely lead to its collapse. Currently, major exchanges are regulated, if not all, so it's safe to say that bitcoin is also regulated.

I agree. There is nothing wrong with what his father said, our world is still controlled and regulated by governments, and they have the sole right to decide if bitcoin is a legal currency or not. Of course, we can use bitcoin without government permission, just like investors living in some countries, bitcoin is banned, but they can still invest. Such activities are considered stealthy, illegal, and potentially punishable if detected by the authorities. As long as the world has governments, we can't think we'll be free to do whatever we want without their permission, including bitcoin.
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